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RR7 said:
So 1/19. No surprise they'd potentially offer more to Love, who is younger, with more team control. Sure, it'd be nice to look and say oh, this team, but with...whoever, Oladipo, Noel, Len, etc. Or, there's the chance they take Bennet. There's the possibility that being forced into being the #1 alters Lillard's trajectory, instead of getting to play off of Aldridge. Who knows.
I think speculating on trading him for Wiggins is silly if we're going to talk about STHss concerns, and seems like a poor move coming off of a 54 win season with a young team. If we're a WCF team this year, I think Aldridge stays. If healthy, who knows, maybe we are. I think Paul didn't want a rebuild, and Neil had to bank on if you build a winner, he'll stick around.
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Kevin Love didn't really come into the discussion until LeBron went back to Cleveland. They were desperate to put another star next to Kyrie.
 
Mags, when I've been saying it for 2 years and 17 days it's not hindsight. I've already explained my position...that it's "silly", to use your parlance, for anyone to bank that they can keep an All-Star UFA. Happens less often than winning a blackjack hand hitting on 19. I agreed with giving an extension in 2013, and one in 2014, that max/maxed him out. LMA said no. Olshey then hit on 19 and lost, when he could've had Wiggins or Oladipo/Thompson. And you guys are saying that the trade idea was silly.

I'm not saying he should be fired for it, and he might've had his hands tied. Who knows? But it a) wasn't silly to talk about the prospect of him leaving, b) talk about the history of UFA All-Stars in general leaving, c) for damn sure not hindsight. GTFO with that.
 
Harry's Raincoat said:
Hey youngsters.....Gramps here.......don't make comparisons where you don't know both sides. Better to say "this was the best I've ever known" or similar.
School out!!
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It's a message board, not a NYT article. I think this is implied.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Kevin Love didn't really come into the discussion until LeBron went back to Cleveland. They were desperate to put another star next to Kyrie.
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Huh? You just posted a link where they offered for him in 2013 draft. They were looking at Aldridge and Love all along, with seemingly putting higher value on Love than Aldridge.


Edit: Oops, you didn't post the link, Brian did. Anyways, my point stands, there was A link. :) Someone posted it.
 
RR7 said:
So 1/19. No surprise they'd potentially offer more to Love, who is younger, with more team control. Sure, it'd be nice to look and say oh, this team, but with...whoever, Oladipo, Noel, Len, etc. Or, there's the chance they take Bennet.
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Love was younger, but had the exact amount of team control.
 
RR7 said:
Huh? You just posted a link where they offered for him in 2013 draft. They were looking at Aldridge and Love all along, with seemingly putting higher value on Love than Aldridge.
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That was Brian. I didn't post anything.
 
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BrianFromWA said:
Mags, when I've been saying it for 2 years and 17 days it's not hindsight. I've already explained my position...that it's "silly", to use your parlance, for anyone to bank that they can keep an All-Star UFA. Happens less often than winning a blackjack hand hitting on 19. I agreed with giving an extension in 2013, and one in 2014, that max/maxed him out. LMA said no. Olshey then hit on 19 and lost, when he could've had Wiggins or Oladipo/Thompson. And you guys are saying that the trade idea was silly.

I'm not saying he should be fired for it, and he might've had his hands tied. Who knows? But it a) wasn't silly to talk about the prospect of him leaving, b) talk about the history of UFA All-Stars in general leaving, c) for damn sure not hindsight. GTFO with that.
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Except for the odds you're giving about LMA staying, I agree with your analysis. The way I look at it, if Wes's achilles hadn't snapped, LMA would most likely still be a Blazer. What are the odds of that happening?

That's the extent of my Monday morning quarterbacking. Given the way that things turned out, I would love to have traded LMA last summer...even though it probably would have given me a coronary at the time.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Mags, when I've been saying it for 2 years and 17 days it's not hindsight. I've already explained my position...that it's "silly", to use your parlance, for anyone to bank that they can keep an All-Star UFA. Happens less often than winning a blackjack hand hitting on 19. I agreed with giving an extension in 2013, and one in 2014, that max/maxed him out. LMA said no. Olshey then hit on 19 and lost, when he could've had Wiggins or Oladipo/Thompson. And you guys are saying that the trade idea was silly.

I'm not saying he should be fired for it, and he might've had his hands tied. Who knows? But it a) wasn't silly to talk about the prospect of him leaving, b) talk about the history of UFA All-Stars in general leaving, c) for damn sure not hindsight. GTFO with that.
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The silliness is using hindsight as your proof of what you tried selling 3 years ago.

Also, there was no guarantee any of these rumors were even true. Using even the Love for Wiggins scenario may have not netted us the same with Aldridge because he was older and Love was still considered a highly touted PF. At Aldridge's level and 4 years younger.
 
Schilly said:
Unfortunately every one is being honest, but people who tout themselves as Realists tend to fall on the side of pessimistic. I think it's a self preservation mode, "Expect little so I don't feel let down".
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Depressives who call themselves realists also tend to be more accurate in their perception of the world. There is a line between pessimism and realism, however. A pessimist is not necessarily more accurate than an optimist, but the realist will hedge his bets and concede that anything is possible when we are dealing with probabilities instead of absolutes.
 
magnifier661 said:
The silliness is using hindsight as your proof of what you tried selling 3 years ago.

Also, there was no guarantee any of these rumors were even true. Using even the Love for Wiggins scenario may have not netted us the same with Aldridge because he was older and Love was still considered a highly touted PF. At Aldridge's level and 4 years younger.
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A). It was 2 years and 17 days ago. Not 3 years ago.
B). It's not "hindsight" if I said it 2 years ago, I said it 1 year ago, I gave reasoning and analysis for doing so, and it turned out that it was sound reasoning.
C) LMA is 3 years older than Love, not 4.
D) LBJ wanted to get an all-star PF and Wiggins was their easy trade chip b/c LBJ didn't want to play with a rookie. Fine, maybe Bennett and the pick don't get thrown in.
E) It seems disingenuous to say that LMA would not have received as much in return as Love b/c Love was younger and had more team control (he didn't), but then to also say that having multiple years of control of Wiggins or Thompson/Oladipo or Len is silly.
 
I do not think Neil was blind to what the LA situation was since he was not 100% sure of him resigning either. His moves were made with him possibly leaving.

Hitting on 19 is pretty accurate with the dealer showing 19. Could easily took the easy route and pushed with a trade. Paul wanted to double up and took the chance by hitting.

Let us see how the prospects pan out before giving a final grade.
 
BrianFromWA said:
A). It was 2 years and 17 days ago. Not 3 years ago.
B). It's not "hindsight" if I said it 2 years ago, I said it 1 year ago, I gave reasoning and analysis for doing so, and it turned out that it was sound reasoning.
C) LMA is 3 years older than Love, not 4.
D) LBJ wanted to get an all-star PF and Wiggins was their easy trade chip b/c LBJ didn't want to play with a rookie. Fine, maybe Bennett and the pick don't get thrown in.
E) It seems disingenuous to say that LMA would not have received as much in return as Love b/c Love was younger and had more team control (he didn't), but then to also say that having multiple years of control of Wiggins or Thompson/Oladipo or Len is silly.
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There's no point arguing with them. It didn't work two years ago and it won't work now, even after we were proven right. We literally predicted exactly what would happen, and yet they still argue.
 
Natebishop3 said:
There's no point arguing with them. It didn't work two years ago and it won't work now, even after we were proven right. We literally predicted exactly what would happen, and yet they still argue.
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Oh, come on. You're like the kid on the playground standing there pointing at the coin on the ground and saying, "See, I told you it was going to come up heads, and it did! No point in arguing with morons like you."
 
e_blazer said:
Oh, come on. You're like the kid on the playground standing there pointing at the coin on the ground and saying, "See, I told you it was going to come up heads, and it did! No point in arguing with morons like you."
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Whatever :dunno:

It seemed logical two years ago that he would leave and sign with a Texas team because it's closer to home, his mom is in Dallas, and he grew up loving those teams. Duncan was his idol. Now he gets to go home, be the savior, and win a championship with his idol. Makes sense to me. If you choose to think it was a last second decision, that's up to you.
 
Natebishop3 said:
There's no point arguing with them. It didn't work two years ago and it won't work now, even after we were proven right. We literally predicted exactly what would happen, and yet they still argue.
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Wait, so this entire thing is based on you guys wanted to get in on some imaginary trade, then when it didn't happen, you're saying it COULD HAVE happened so you're all right and we're all morons?

Do you realize how petty you sound? You're grasping at straws. Like "why didn't we spend RLEC?" straws.
 
Also, at what point in the future will you guys have finally had enough gloating over your imaginary trade, so that we can all actually talk about the Actual Fucking Blazers without this shit getting mentioned?

2017? 2018? 2020?

Let me know, and I'll gladly change my habits accordingly.
 
You can just pretend we did trade Aldridge, we started our rebuild 2 years ago. The goal of our rebuild was to load up on a bunch of different young assets. 2 years later, in our rebuild we've added CJ McCollum, Aminu, Davis, Henderson, Plumlee, Vonleh, and Harkless. So here we are.
 
RR7 said:
You can just pretend we did trade Aldridge, we started our rebuild 2 years ago. The goal of our rebuild was to load up on a bunch of different young assets. 2 years later, in our rebuild we've added CJ McCollum, Aminu, Davis, Henderson, Plumlee, Vonleh, and Harkless. So here we are.
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...and Wiggins died in a car crash, but his twin brother still plays for Minnesota. There, all fixed.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Whatever :dunno:

It seemed logical two years ago that he would leave and sign with a Texas team because it's closer to home, his mom is in Dallas, and he grew up loving those teams. Duncan was his idol. Now he gets to go home, be the savior, and win a championship with his idol. Makes sense to me. If you choose to think it was a last second decision, that's up to you.
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Let me ask you this; since Portland seems to be looked upon as Tha NBA equivalent of Siberia, how many future star players will that same type of analysis be true of? Based on that type of thinking, Portland should ALWAYS trade away stars a year before their contracts end because they MIGHT jilt us again. Doesn't seem like a particularly likely route to success to me.
 
e_blazer said:
Let me ask you this; since Portland seems to be looked upon as Tha NBA equivalent of Siberia, how many future star players will that same type of analysis be true of? Based on that type of thinking, Portland should ALWAYS trade away stars a year before their contracts end because they MIGHT jilt us again. Doesn't seem like a particularly likely route to success to me.
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We should trade Dame now. The emotional pain will be that much worse in five years.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Wait, so this entire thing is based on you guys wanted to get in on some imaginary trade, then when it didn't happen, you're saying it COULD HAVE happened so you're all right and we're all morons?

Do you realize how petty you sound? You're grasping at straws. Like "why didn't we spend RLEC?" straws.
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Who said anyone was a moron? I think people were blindly hopeful that he would stay, grasping at any straw (as you so eloquently put it) as a sign that he was committed to this organization.

You always get so emotional about this topic.
 
e_blazer said:
Let me ask you this; since Portland seems to be looked upon as Tha NBA equivalent of Siberia, how many future star players will that same type of analysis be true of? Based on that type of thinking, Portland should ALWAYS trade away stars a year before their contracts end because they MIGHT jilt us again. Doesn't seem like a particularly likely route to success to me.
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When he didn't sign the extension. At that point you start to really look at trades. His bullshit answer about wanting that extra year turned out to be completely false.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Who said anyone was a moron? I think people were blindly hopeful that he would stay, grasping at any straw (as you so eloquently put it) as a sign that he was committed to this organization.

You always get so emotional about this topic.
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I get emotional about every topic. I'm a fan of this team.

You just want to be right.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yes, this whole time I was hoping he'd leave so I would be proven right!!!
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No, but you're making the best of a bad situation by whining about how you were right. This is the choice you've made. Don't back down from it. Embrace it.

You were right!
 
Natebishop3 said:
When he didn't sign the extension. At that point you start to really look at trades. His bullshit answer about wanting that extra year turned out to be completely false.
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So he refuses the extension. He's got 1 year left on a deal. We just got eliminated by the eventual champs in the 2nd round. Coming off of a 54 win season. Plenty of guys with room to grow. His extension is a terrible business move for him. Everyone knows it. So he doesn't sign. You go to move him then. Minnesota moves Love to Cleveland for Wiggins. Who are you trading him to? Who would trade for him and what might they actually give up for a guy with 1 year left on his deal, and with no assurances he'd stay?
 
BlazerCaravan said:
No, but you're making the best of a bad situation by whining about how you were right. This is the choice you've made. Don't back down from it. Embrace it.

You were right!
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I enjoy throwing it in the faces of people who attacked me personally because I held that opinion two years ago. You weren't one of those people. My quarrel isn't with you. The main person who attacked me at that time doesn't even post here anymore.
 
RR7 said:
So he refuses the extension. He's got 1 year left on a deal. We just got eliminated by the eventual champs in the 2nd round. Coming off of a 54 win season. Plenty of guys with room to grow. His extension is a terrible business move for him. Everyone knows it. So he doesn't sign. You go to move him then. Minnesota moves Love to Cleveland for Wiggins. Who are you trading him to? Who would trade for him and what might they actually give up for a guy with 1 year left on his deal, and with no assurances he'd stay?
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You assume that Cleveland wasn't an option, but if Cleveland believed that LA was available, maybe they make that trade instead of for Love.
 
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