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Natebishop3 said:
You assume that Cleveland wasn't an option, but if Cleveland believed that LA was available, maybe they make that trade instead of for Love.
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My assumption based on offers rumored, which is really all we can do, is that they preferred Love to Aldridge. Lebron seemed to as well. So my assumption is Cleveland would go that route first, before going for Aldridge. And since we know that route was successful, then what?
 
RR7 said:
My assumption based on offers rumored, which is really all we can do, is that they preferred Love to Aldridge. Lebron seemed to as well. So my assumption is Cleveland would go that route first, before going for Aldridge. And since we know that route was successful, then what?
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I have always maintained that I would have traded him two years ago, when the rumors first came out, but his refusal to sign an extension would have been the final straw. I have no idea what we could have gotten last year because there were no rumors last summer.
 
Natebishop3 said:
When he didn't sign the extension. At that point you start to really look at trades. His bullshit answer about wanting that extra year turned out to be completely false.
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Okay but that happened last summer, after the Love trade, so I guess that's moot isn't it?
 
It's a new chapter in Blazer history. I prefer to enjoy it and let it unfold. The process is interesting but arguing about Bowie over Jordan or Durant over Oden or whatever past deals could've made us better just doesn't have anymore relevance than whether we traded Lamarcus 3 years ago, or last year. I thoroughly enjoyed the last Blazer era. I'm ready for the new one. Olshey has
impressed me as a GM and in the end, we got the prize...Damian Lillard for 6 more seasons. Portland is far from the Siberia of the NBA...we have a championship banner..some teams don't.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I have always maintained that I would have traded him two years ago, when the rumors first came out, but his refusal to sign an extension would have been the final straw. I have no idea what we could have gotten last year because there were no rumors last summer.
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Which happened after Love and wiggins deal already happened. So now what? We trade for Asiks and their first rounder? :dunno:
 
magnifier661 said:
Okay but that happened last summer, after the Love trade, so I guess that's moot isn't it?
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If Neil had decided that LA was a lost cause last summer, when LA's value was at its highest, you don't think he could have gotten good value?
 
Natebishop3 said:
I have always maintained that I would have traded him two years ago, when the rumors first came out, but his refusal to sign an extension would have been the final straw. I have no idea what we could have gotten last year because there were no rumors last summer.
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Okay, real talk:

Does a player have to agree to the sign part of a sign-and-trade?

Knowing the cap would balloon this summer would probably have put a lot of restraints on the trade. Does LA sign for two years or multi-with-a-player-option?

Any destination other than a Texas team might also have known that Texas was his ultimate destination, which would also put a damper on a trade (i.e., they see receiving LA as a rental). Now, maybe you do a deal with Dallas or San Antonio, but SAS didn't really need any pieces, and Dallas was a mess still thinking they were good. And Houston might have led to Olshey's bodily harm :ghoti:
 
Natebishop3 said:
If Neil had decided that LA was a lost cause last summer, when LA's value was at its highest, you don't think he could have gotten good value?
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Probably could have but we wanted to win a championship and just might have without the injury bug..every decision comes with some risk. I'd have kept the 54 win roster together and given it a shot. Didn't work out in the end, but is it necessary to argue why Olshey did it? I thought his explanation was very clear and sensible.
 
Natebishop3 said:
If Neil had decided that LA was a lost cause last summer, when LA's value was at its highest, you don't think he could have gotten good value?
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Highest value???? Are you serious? Dude was on his final year, so he would basically pick the teams most likely he would resign with.

Dallas, Houston, Cleveland, Spurs. Okay who we trade for? And I guarantee we would get their scraps, so be realistic here
 
Natebishop3 said:
If Neil had decided that LA was a lost cause last summer, when LA's value was at its highest, you don't think he could have gotten good value?
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If the receiving team thinks they're getting a rental because the rumors were already swirling that Texas was his destination, that'd reduce the number of trade partners... and because the new cap would mean very likely he was not going to sign a long term deal to be traded someplace he didn't want to go, the receiving team would have a UFA on their hands this summer, and he end s up in San Antonio anyway.

I don't think any team was desperate for a year of LA... but I'm possibly getting thing wrong.
 
riverman said:
Probably could have but we wanted to win a championship and just might have without the injury bug..every decision comes with some risk. I'd have kept the 54 win roster together and given it a shot. Didn't work out in the end, but is it necessary to argue why Olshey did it? I thought his explanation was very clear and sensible.
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Let it ride, baby! Oh. Bummer. I lost.

Get some more chips (assets) and try again!
 
BlazerCaravan said:
If the receiving team thinks they're getting a rental because the rumors were already swirling that Texas was his destination, that'd reduce the number of trade partners... and because the new cap would mean very likely he was not going to sign a long term deal to be traded someplace he didn't want to go, the receiving team would have a UFA on their hands this summer, and he end s up in San Antonio anyway.

I don't think any team was desperate for a year of LA... but I'm possibly getting thing wrong.
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I think the Lakers were stupid enough, desperate enough, and arrogant enough to trade whatever we wanted.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think the Lakers were stupid enough, desperate enough, and arrogant enough to trade whatever we wanted.
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Pau for LA?

Pau was a UFA at the end of the season.

The rest of the 2013-2014 Lakers are worse than a dumpster fire. They're just junk players.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think the Lakers were stupid enough, desperate enough, and arrogant enough to trade whatever we wanted.
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Of course, their future picks were moved, so what do you get? An injured Randle? Maybe.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
That Laker lineup was a total joke, an embarrassment to the league.
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It was bad. And they still managed to win 21 games last year. Which is why it amazes me when people look at our team and think that 25 is a high estimate of what we might win.
 
What NO has done and does very well since the minute he arrived in Portland is talk a good game. Can he put together a contending team . . . time will tell.
 
RR7 said:
It was bad. And they still managed to win 21 games last year. Which is why it amazes me when people look at our team and think that 25 is a high estimate of what we might win.
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Yeah I'm definitely not in that boat; I put 24 as their low, 48 as their high... it's just a total unknown.

I know lots of folks like to be pleasantly surprised so they sleep on the team. It's a strategy for being happy that works for them, and that's cool.
 
At this point I'm not concerned with wins and losses. I'm worried about developing our young guys. I measure success next season by how CJ, MyLe, Vonleh, Crabbe, et al develop.
 
Natebishop3 said:
At this point I'm not concerned with wins and losses. I'm worried about developing our young guys. I measure success next season by how CJ, MyLe, Vonleh, Crabbe, et al develop.
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Definitely. And beating San Antonio at home at least once.
 
We know what NO has not done:

been able to sustain a playoff contending team
been able to bring in big names into Ptd via trade or FA
been able to keep franchise player from leaving

Maybe no GM could have been able to do this . . . maybe
 
The_Lillard_King said:
We know what NO has not done:

been able to sustain a playoff contending team
been able to bring in big names into Ptd via trade or FA
been able to keep franchise player from leaving

Maybe no GM could have been able to do this . . . maybe
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I like the way this is going....

What he has not done:

Overpaying for veterans on long term contracts to appease the star.

Missed the playoffs since he's been here.

Worried the young star enough to want a Players Option in final year.

Done nothing in his power to appease the diva superstar.

Any more?
 
magnifier661 said:
I like the way this is going....

What he has not done:

Overpaying for veterans on long term contracts to appease the star.

Missed the playoffs since he's been here.

Worried the young star enough to want a Players Option in final year.

Done nothing in his power to appease the diva superstar.

Any more?
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You do understand that both of these things can be true?
 
magnifier661 said:
I like the way this is going....

What he has not done:

Overpaying for veterans on long term contracts to appease the star.

Missed the playoffs since he's been here.

Worried the young star enough to want a Players Option in final year.

Done nothing in his power to appease the diva superstar.

Any more?
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Well technically he missed the playoff his first year here but got them started in the right direction with the drafting of Lillard (his biggest accomplishment in my mind)

He has not had another draft pick turn into a starter on a playoff team (yet)

He has not been able to kept to his word of saying he only makes moves that "move the needle"

He has not been able to keep together what most consider one of the best starting line ups in the NBA

He was not able to build a deep vet bench to support that starting line-up

This is fun . . .
 
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