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Since it was hijacked and steered into the same ditch as many other threads it was for the best.
Sorry blame your pal pasta.
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Rick you asked the question and two of us have given you a reasonable answer. It's clear as day where that thread headed and it's a shame because the purpose of it wasn't supposed to be another endless rant about Joe Girardi. That's where the thread went, it clearly turned everyone off from it and it's best to just move on from it.
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no problem rick, i will leave this board voluntarily, just know this, like you said it ain't about hatin the man as to why YOU yourself posted, "dump" girardi.
i put facts on here to support my beliefs from experience, its not about hate, hijacking, or anything else!
enjoy all the redundant hate posts about cashman, and the failed offense by every single player, bad contracts, and the pitchers who could not pass the 6th inning, day offs, no creativity to try and produce runs, cause all of this and more was quite prevalent with a teams with a 200mill+ payroll.
take care, health to your family!
i put facts on here to support my beliefs from experience, its not about hate, hijacking, or anything else!
enjoy all the redundant hate posts about cashman, and the failed offense by every single player, bad contracts, and the pitchers who could not pass the 6th inning, day offs, no creativity to try and produce runs, cause all of this and more was quite prevalent with a teams with a 200mill+ payroll.
take care, health to your family!
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Rick, from a mods perspective its better to lock a thread rather than single out one poster. Sorry but it does take 2 to argue. Make your point and move on. You don't need the last word, and others reading know who's right. If another poster gets under your skin and you can't control your own actions than toggle the ignore feature.
We have so few posters....banning people requests are getting tiresome. Just let it go.
We have so few posters....banning people requests are getting tiresome. Just let it go.
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Leaving is your choice & yes I did say dump Girardi & yes I also said that I'm not a fan of the guy but where we differ is that I make my point & move on, I don't beat it to death. I don't have to air my feelings about the man in every post & thread for the others here to know how I feel about the guy. And the difference with Cashman IMO is that its a unanimous dislike for the job he's doing.
You be well, hope to see you back under better conditions.
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We all should agree on completely cleaning house:
New ownership, new GM, new Mgr. As my mind is being controlled the phrase....we can't fire the players keeping popping up, lol!
Steins are selling until they can get maximum dollar, and that won't happen until ARod is gone. So without new ownership, the same cast of characters are lashed to the mast of this foundering Yankee clipper as we drift aimlessly asea for the next 2 years. I think it's telling that Cashman got tied up to the same length of time as this team is crippled with horrendous contracts. I don't see him staying beyond that, nor will Girardi. We've got 2 more years of status quo unless by some miracle Cashman actually learns how to make deals. I'm not holding my breath.
New ownership, new GM, new Mgr. As my mind is being controlled the phrase....we can't fire the players keeping popping up, lol!
Steins are selling until they can get maximum dollar, and that won't happen until ARod is gone. So without new ownership, the same cast of characters are lashed to the mast of this foundering Yankee clipper as we drift aimlessly asea for the next 2 years. I think it's telling that Cashman got tied up to the same length of time as this team is crippled with horrendous contracts. I don't see him staying beyond that, nor will Girardi. We've got 2 more years of status quo unless by some miracle Cashman actually learns how to make deals. I'm not holding my breath.
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Very well put Tom, & PLEASE! whoever is next in charge, no more opt out clauses, both A-Rod & Sabathia would be gone now & off the books if they (brass) didn't allow this. & no more with the 7-10 year contracts that cripple the team for years to come.
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Thank you. That's the only point I've tried to make over and over again. Repeating the same point almost word for word ad nauseam in thread after thread is what the issue is. It might as well just be cut and pasted because that's what it seems like. It happens continuously regardless of the subject matter of the thread. It occurred in one of Lillie's playoff game threads as well. It has been addressed and just continues and continues. The thread that got locked was a good thread until it got driven into the same ditch many others have in the past because of these same actions.
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NO, this is why you do this, to pick on someone, that is all! it's the same usual suspects that attack, harass and abuse their power.
not every post, in every thread i make is about girardi, , as a matter of fact, the first post i made in the locked thread was about ellsbury! thats the 1st lie.
i need to have thicker skin? you need a thinner head.
totes , u r an educated man, and i don't consider you 1 of the usual suspects , tell me how cashman makes any deal without the owner's consent? he clearly said they are going to go within so they didn't have to give up bird and serevino, 2 great additions i mite add, what more can the man do, he can only interpret to us what ownership wants, and i'm not defending him, all the man has is a title. i have put many good questions on here in the past, like this one that continually go unanswered cause the usual suspects rather attack then answer, and that is why i choose to leave rick ! i haven't a clue on how to be part of this nonsense!
and again to all of you, health & happiness.
not every post, in every thread i make is about girardi, , as a matter of fact, the first post i made in the locked thread was about ellsbury! thats the 1st lie.
i need to have thicker skin? you need a thinner head.
totes , u r an educated man, and i don't consider you 1 of the usual suspects , tell me how cashman makes any deal without the owner's consent? he clearly said they are going to go within so they didn't have to give up bird and serevino, 2 great additions i mite add, what more can the man do, he can only interpret to us what ownership wants, and i'm not defending him, all the man has is a title. i have put many good questions on here in the past, like this one that continually go unanswered cause the usual suspects rather attack then answer, and that is why i choose to leave rick ! i haven't a clue on how to be part of this nonsense!
and again to all of you, health & happiness.
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Hey pasta, I think the steins have given cashman a bank account and budget and from there they don't care what he does. I've seen nothing that tells me the sons of the boss care an iota about baseball transactions....just the dollars. Now from your experiences, owners might have been more hands on, but I don't see evidence that Cashman has his hands tied beyond the pocketbook.
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Simple social skills would be a good start. Insulting people's intelligence, integrity and baseball knowledge because after all you played the game was never a good start.
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I don't agree with cleaning house from top to bottom...
Why should we all agree with that?
I'm giving this regime including Cashman at least one more year to handle a couple of big long term contracts, while simultaneously infusing the team with young players.....and I think they have done a decent job under the circumstances.....some of us seem to have convenient amnesia regarding ONE OR TWO of the current big contracts.....does 2009 ring a bell?
The Yankee farm system is alive and well and the big team has already displayed a few young players from the minors THIS SEASON who have shown promise and contributed ......combine the existing contracts/payroll with the good quality of farmhands who have played this year for the Yanks and I doubt if you'll find another franchise which has handled these TWO aspects with better success.
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ok, that mite be true, and if it is, then where did Cashman do wrong?
let me ask you this, if the BOSS was still here, would price or tulo have gotten passed us, you really believe a beard kept him from here ? and, if there choice was not to be a yankee no matter what , would he not have created such a stink that would have prevented those 2 from going to a team in the east?
Does this not go along the line of what we were accustomed too with the boss, what cashmans role really was/is, and how hal & hank are the real issue?
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this is the furthest thing from the truth, we go back along ways mess, why are you doing this?
i have commended everyone on here for their knowledge of the history of this great game, that i believe has been tarnished, and the stats that are put on here, the effort that went into it should be commended, and it properly went to those individuals that posted them, but never did i intentionally attack another for any reason, like totes said it takes 2 to argue, and a mature individual to accept they maybe wrong. do 2 wrongs make it right, absolutley not.
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The boss had the deputy on of making ball players understand that being a Yankee was an exceptional honor, and that when an exceptional franchise went after a player its because they are the best and they are winners. This is what this franchise lacks.
Girardi stillmpreaches the mantra, but mgmt doesn't back these ideals...its obvious the team is about the bottom line. Girardi, like Torre were great handlers of the mystique and exceptionalism. They are stewards, not managers in the sense you talk about. Cashman is more finance than baseball...he was marginal when handed the tools. When you look at all the special asst they gave him, these were all well respected baseball first people.
IMO, this team needs a top down rebuilding.
Girardi stillmpreaches the mantra, but mgmt doesn't back these ideals...its obvious the team is about the bottom line. Girardi, like Torre were great handlers of the mystique and exceptionalism. They are stewards, not managers in the sense you talk about. Cashman is more finance than baseball...he was marginal when handed the tools. When you look at all the special asst they gave him, these were all well respected baseball first people.
IMO, this team needs a top down rebuilding.
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If we want to discuss GMs/Cashman.....
As we speak....Dombrowski has left the Tigers a mess.
Sometimes alot of money can be "dangerous". Lmao
As we speak....Dombrowski has left the Tigers a mess.
Sometimes alot of money can be "dangerous". Lmao
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Yes, we do go back. What I'm saying is a lot of the black and white evidence goes contrary to what you're saying. Therefore, many conversations have ventured into the same direction over and over.
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And we need to revisit this beaten to death topic again why? Sadly, nothing seems like it will change here.
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The problem is so many factors go into not doing the necessary purging. I'm not saying they're valid but they do exist.
1) Can't rebuild in NY
2) Can't trade any of these contracts
3) Prices in the stadium are so expensive a non competitive product will not draw therefore hurting the team
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Mess....not all believe Cashman is a bad GM and some...including me believe he has done well juggling big long term contracts AND simultaneously infusing good young minor league talent which has already contributed to the big club.
I didn't hear or see too many complain about those big contracts which helped win a WS in 2009. We all have opinions, and we're all entitled to them, and I believe,(my opinion) Cashman has not done a bad job under the circumstances....we can't have it both ways......spend alot of money sometimes....win a championship (2009).....and deal with it. Stop with the hypocrisy.... Some of us have memories....and I am not referring to you Mess....lol
When you see and read some posters bragging about Dombrowski fleecing Cashman- I think it's fair to bring up CURRENT comparisons with other GMs since it seems to be generally accepted by the large majority that Cashman is a BAD GM.....some of us, maybe a couple of us don't agree.
In the context of the GENERAL opinion of this board, Dombrowski has "owned" Cashman in HEAD to HEAD trades.
He (Dombr) has won a couple dating back 18 or so years....and ....IMO....Cashman has won (so far), the LAST TWO if we look back at what each GM received DIRECTLY in return from the other for THEIR team.
Cashman won the the Grandy deal- imo- and Cashman has won the Didi deal....so far, IMO.
And Dombrowski has left behind a sh!t house in Detroit...thanks to HIM.
I just hope some on this board won't give him credit for the very good young talent ALREADY in Boston.....as I said, some of us have memories. Lol
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.
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I'd say you hit the nail on the head, then some....!!
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And as I've mentioned in the past that when it comes to NY and Detroit in the playoffs. The Tigers were 3-0.
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Aside from you, WHO? Seriously. The fact that had he not given the opt out clauses to both Sabathia & A-Rod there albatross salaries would be off the books by now & we'd have additional funds to improve the team.