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totus44 said:
The boss had the deputy on of making ball players understand that being a Yankee was an exceptional honor, and that when an exceptional franchise went after a player its because they are the best and they are winners. This is what this franchise lacks.

Girardi stillmpreaches the mantra, but mgmt doesn't back these ideals...its obvious the team is about the bottom line. Girardi, like Torre were great handlers of the mystique and exceptionalism. They are stewards, not managers in the sense you talk about. Cashman is more finance than baseball...he was marginal when handed the tools. When you look at all the special asst they gave him, these were all well respected baseball first people.

IMO, this team needs a top down rebuilding.
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i completely agree with the 1st part, don't understand the point you are trying to get across about girardi, but if i may, torre hardly had to coach, where joe did, and thats where i will get slack, but it doesn't matter, you still have to manage what is given to you! agree 100% bout cashman comment!
 
Messiah717 said:
Yes, we do go back. What I'm saying is a lot of the black and white evidence goes contrary to what you're saying. Therefore, many conversations have ventured into the same direction over and over.
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think about this for a second, we have a 162 game schedule, they basically play every single day, he makes the line up with the players he feels gives the best chance of winning the game, he calls the pitches contrary to what most believe on here, he calls pitch outs, he sets the infielders & out fielders, he bases a pitchers distance in game by the books no matter what, he decides on who the long, middle & short relief will be, he decides on who gets day off, he is the boss, the general. He has more visibility, and responsibility as to what happens in a game then anyone. So, how can he not be the focal point of conversation on here?
 
It's very simple. Because as much as you would lIke to blame Girardi for everything from the price of milk to the crisis in Syria. He cannot go to the plate with a bat and he can't run into the field with a glove. At some point it's up to the professionals on the field to perform. Ellsbury didn't have a horrible year because of Joe Girardi.
 
Rick2583 said:
Aside from you, WHO? Seriously. The fact that had he not given the opt out clauses to both Sabathia & A-Rod there albatross salaries would be off the books by now & we'd have additional funds to improve the team.
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Cashman "has done well juggling the long term contracts" that he created.
 
...and Dombrowski will no doubt have the Sox kicking the shit out of the Yanx in 2-3 years.
 
Messiah717 said:
It's very simple. Because as much as you would lIke to blame Girardi for everything from the price of milk to the crisis in Syria. He cannot go to the plate with a bat and he can't run into the field with a glove. At some point it's up to the professionals on the field to perform. Ellsbury didn't have a horrible year because of Joe Girardi.
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i agree, girardi does not carry the bat to the plate, don't you think i know who sucked offensively, but what's the point in pointing that out all the time and beating that into the ground. This is where i believe the coach must make up for it with some hit & runs, some Sb's, and a few other things coaches try on occasion, did we see any of this?

Some say this team is not built for that, i don't agree with that, but when tex and arod who were obviously carrying team first half went down, how come with a less potent team we still relied on the long ball to win games?
 
Messiah717 said:
It's very simple. 1- Because as much as you would lIke to blame Girardi for everything from the price of milk to the crisis in Syria.
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Messiah717 said:
2- Kind of like dropping dinner all over the floor and then praising yourself for cleaning it up.
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1- It's also Joe's fault tobacco is 12.50$ a pack, and Limits on Sizes of Soda, as well as all the Civil Un-rest Riots in the US, are ALL Joe's fault, no doubt.........!

2- roflol........:biglaugh::biglaugh: nice comeback, or point......ohshit...my guts hurt...:roflmao::roflmao:

Joe still wears a Bloomberg Mask, when He's not at the Park......???:bgrin:
 
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Pastafazul said:
i agree, girardi does not carry the bat to the plate, don't you think i know who sucked offensively, but what's the point in pointing that out all the time and beating that into the ground. This is where i believe the coach must make up for it with some hit & runs, some Sb's, and a few other things coaches try on occasion, did we see any of this?

Some say this team is not built for that, i don't agree with that, but when tex and arod who were obviously carrying team first half went down, how come with a less potent team we still relied on the long ball to win games?
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I understand if you're speaking in general terms without taking into account what was going on with this team. Yes, this started out as and remained very much a homer reliant team. On the surface your would say hit and run more and steal more bases. That would be fine if what was left was a good hitting team. Lets face it these are not very good contact hitters. Just looking at the final averages tells a story. If somebody said before the year that for everyday players the one and two averages on the team would be Beltran and Didi people would've asked what in the hell happened.
 
yes, these guys proved themselves not good contact hitters, now think long these lines for a moment , put on hit & run, believe it or not it takes the pressure off the hitter cause he has to take his mind off it being all on him and it is put on the coach for the call... it's a psychological thing, and if it works do you know what a confidence builder that is, for all?
 
Um, yeah... Could we try and not post a rage thread every time a discussion gets locked? There was absolutely zero reason to let that conversation continue in that thread...
 
and to the individual that continues to try and get under my skin with indirect personal attacks , since this has continued for some time, and it's not being addressed by the MODs for what ever the reason , then i guess i get a freebee in my response as it would only be fair as i have restrained myself out of respect, well i can no longer take it, so....

[Moderated] I don't care if you're proving a point. Stop attacking other users.
 
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Pastafazul said:
and to the individual that continues to try and get under my skin with indirect personal attacks , since this has continued for some time, and it's not being addressed by the MODs for what ever the reason , then i guess i get a freebee in my response as it would only be fair as i have restrained myself out of respect, well i can no longer take it, so....
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Report them
 
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...getting under someone's skin is one thing...being in someone's head is something else all together.
 
Pastafazul said:
and to the individual that continues to try and get under my skin with indirect personal attacks , since this has continued for some time, and it's not being addressed by the MODs for what ever the reason , then i guess i get a freebee in my response as it would only be fair as i have restrained myself out of respect, well i can no longer take it, so....

[Moderated] I don't care if you're proving a point. "Stop attacking other users" .
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no problem, instead of asking me to report another poster, why not be here more , you mite be surprised at who are the 1's doing the attacking/provoking/ baiting , i'm just trying to adjust! THANKS
 
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