OT What Went Wrong with US Coronavirus Testing

[donkiez]

Failed leadership is what happened and its been happening for years. Terrible foresight with those tax cuts also, he could have been fixing health care, which would have helped prepare us for this pandemic, but instead he put us in more debt with tax cuts to make the financial part of this crisis significantly worse. This years deficit will be mind boggling.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Failed leadership is what happened and its been happening for years. Terrible foresight with those tax cuts also, he could have been fixing health care, which would have helped prepare us for this pandemic, but instead he put us in more debt with tax cuts to make the financial part of this crisis significantly worse. This years deficit will be mind boggling.

I swear I've been bitching about our debt for years and I've been bitching about military spending for decades.

Tax cuts or hikes really don't do much when we waste trillions on killing brown people for oil.

I guess all the money we spent on drones makes it easier to kill people from bases like we have here in NV so that's good? ???

 

[Chris Craig]

Scoreboard, baby. Ebola was contained. The government got on it early, and took rational steps to deal with it.

You'll note that Obama wasn't quoted in that article as saying

"It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear,"

or any bullshit like that.

barfo

Or if 100,000 people die I'll be great

 

[donkiez]

I swear I've been bitching about our debt for years and I've been bitching about military spending for decades.

You might be the only one still bitching because most republicans are suspiciously quiet on the subject.

I guess all the money we spent on drones makes it easier to kill people from bases like we have here in NV so that's good? ???

I guess you make a case that its better than invading Iraq and Afghanistan, but I dont like either option.

Tax cuts or hikes really don't do much when we waste trillions on killing brown people for oil.

In 2018 we became a net exporter of oil for the first time in 75 years, yet drone strikes, tax breaks and record deficits are still the trend.

 

[yankeesince59]

No doubt. He was embroiled in impeachment proceedings, etc., but, yes, he and Congress, too, could/should have acted much sooner. There were just a few calls to action.

https://www.politico.com/newsletter...e-done-more-to-prepare-for-coronavirus-488748

Again, this is a pandemic of its kind not seen in a century. Trump - and Trump, alone - will be blamed at every turn, though. So be it.

Impeachment proceedings?...no, there was way Trump was going to be removed from office...no matter how much McConnell, Trump, et al may make excuses and vainly lay blame elsewhere, the fact is that Trump fucked up, period... and will cause countless people to die needlessly...his inaction is criminal.

And the lengths you'll go to blindly defending this jackwagon of a POTUS no matter what, is mind-numbing.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

You might be the only one still bitching because most republicans are suspiciously quiet on the subject.



I guess you make a case that its better than invading Iraq and Afghanistan, but I dont like either option.



In 2018 we became a net exporter of oil for the first time in 75 years, yet drone strikes, tax breaks and record deficits are still the trend.

The difference between the Republicans that don't bitch about it and the Democrats that do bitch about it boils down to just that..bitching publicly.

Then they vote yes to give the military billions more.

Then the retired generals are hired by defense contractors and they go on MSM and tell us how important it is to bomb this and destroy that cuz they bad.

We're all suckers.

Funny enough this virus has got us all freaking out and saying how we are responsible for killing an American if we go to the beach. Well, we're responsible for decades of destruction in the Middle East and barely anyone ever pretended to care.

Oh right...in this case WE might die so it is important now.

 

[donkiez]

The difference between the Republicans that don't bitch about it and the Democrats that do bitch about it boils down to just that..bitching publicly.

Then they vote yes to give the military billions more.

Then the retired generals are hired by defense contractors and they go on MSM and tell us how important it is to bomb this and destroy that cuz they bad.

We're all suckers.

Funny enough this virus has got us all freaking out and saying how we are responsible for killing an American if we go to the beach. Well, we're responsible for decades of destruction in the Middle East and barely anyone ever pretended to care.

Oh right...in this case WE might die so it is important now.

Democrats are hypocrites and could do more I agree, but is that worse than publicly advocating for more of the military industrial complex and more wars? Military spending did actually decrease during the Obama years and the Clinton years. I dont think you can say it ever decreased under a republican president.

I guess you can give Trump credit for being the first republican president to not get us into an active war since Reagan, unless you count the war on drugs which I do which pushes things back even farther.

Since we are on the subject though, Trumps immigration policy is just an excuse to militarize our southern boarder. Take a look at some of the defense contracts that are being extend from overseas to domestically, this is a new thing.

 

[Chris Craig]

I challenge you to just admit Trump fucked up. It's that easy. Eat some crow. Be a human being with some form of compassion. Don't make excuses. Don't point fingers elsewhere. No obvious attempts at redirection. Just admit it.

Sure, blame can be assessed to others, but most of it does lie with the commander in chief. Everything goes through him. He disbanded the pandrmic team. He called the virus a hoax or in the least never took it seriously. He has showed he cares more about his businesses and numbers than he does the people of his own country. He said if 100,000 people died in the United States from thr virus he would be ok. He fucked up. He more than fucked up. He has lacked any resemblence of leadership or sympathy for those effected.

Yet, you say any president would have fucked this up, so it's ok. It's unprecedented so no president could have been prepared. He could have had a pandemic team looking into this in December/January. He could have listened to the Dr's and the professionals who know what they are talking about it. He could have implemented his presidental powers months ago to up the production of medical supplies. Etc etc. There is so much he failed to do. He would rather refuse to help certain states because of spats with Governors. He doesn't care about the people dying. Admit he was wrong. Just admit it. Admit he fucked up. You know it's true.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Cuomo just described in his press conference how because of the way Trump has left things up to the states has caused a bidding war between the states to get the supplies they need. Every state is trying to outbid the other states to get what they need, and then Fema is now outbidding other states with no clear message of how the feds are going to distribute what they get so the states have to try and outbid the federal government.

N95 masks that were being sold for 40 cents each are now being sold for $4-7 each.

There should be only one buyer, the federal government, then the states purchase what they need from the feds.

The big states like NY and California can spend that kind of money but the smaller states are going to get fucked in this type of system.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Democrats are hypocrites and could do more I agree, but is that worse than publicly advocating for more of the military industrial complex and more wars? Military spending did actually decrease during the Obama years and the Clinton years. I dont think you can say it ever decreased under a republican president.

I guess you can give Trump credit for being the first republican president to not get us into an active war since Reagan, unless you count the war on drugs which I do which pushes things back even farther.

Since we are on the subject though, Trumps immigration policy is just an excuse to militarize our southern boarder. Take a look at some of the defense contracts that are being extend from overseas to domestically, this is a new thing.

I'm sure that's true. Never surprised by anything they do.

The war on drugs is a difficult thing.

I hate drugs and I hate freedom being taken away too. I don't really want to live in a world full of druggies.

I already see the negative of legalized pot in daily life. People could have been drinking and driving in traffic all these years but I couldn't smell it. I was sitting at a light yesterday during "shutdown" next to a car full of 20 year olds smoking.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'm a conservative in many ways, but how anyone can think Trump didn't drop the ball is beyond me.

He was late to the party on this, and it made the situation worse.

At this point in time, he seems to be doing what should have been done before.

IMHO, his actions caused a delay of about a month.

How AMERICA can be behind any other country in testing is laughable, and that falls on him

 

[Mediocre Man]

Cuomo just described in his press conference how because of the way Trump has left things up to the states has caused a bidding war between the states to get the supplies they need. Every state is trying to outbid the other states to get what they need, and then Fema is now outbidding other states with no clear message of how the feds are going to distribute what they get so the states have to try and outbid the federal government.

N95 masks that were being sold for 40 cents each are now being sold for $4-7 each.

There should be only one buyer, the federal government, then the states purchase what they need from the states.

The big states like NY and California can spend that kind of money but the smaller states are going to get fucked in this type of system.

At least I'm in Texas

 

[SlyPokerDog]

At least I'm in Texas

That's good and bad. If things get worse in Louisiana you're going to see a mass exodus from there to Texas for care. I know you're a dedicated family man, if your wife or kids got really sick and your hospitals were overwhelmed you'd take them to a different state to get care.

 

[Mediocre Man]

That's good and bad. If things get worse in Louisiana you're going to see a mass exodus from there to Texas for care. I know you're a dedicated family man, if your wife or kids got really sick and your hospitals were overwhelmed you'd take them to a different state to get care.

Gov. Abbott issues travel restrictions for people driving from Louisiana to Texas


Won't let them

 

[donkiez]

I'm sure that's true. Never surprised by anything they do.

The war on drugs is a difficult thing.

I hate drugs and I hate freedom being taken away too. I don't really want to live in a world full of druggies.

I already see the negative of legalized pot in daily life. People could have been drinking and driving in traffic all these years but I couldn't smell it. I was sitting at a light yesterday during "shutdown" next to a car full of 20 year olds smoking.

Now we are really starting to go down a rabbit hole. The war on drugs is way worse than the actual problem of drugs and focusing on it as a criminal problem rather than a social one jut makes its worse. The war on drugs has also funded and started wars, gun sales and instability all over the world and especially in central america, which is directly responsible for our current immigration crisis. It makes for good TV though, Narcos, Breaking Bad and Snowfall are some of the best shows out there.

Weed is way more addictive than it gets credit for.

 

[The Professional Fan]

"What went wrong with US testing?"

What about what Biden said?

What about Obama?

classic old soviet tactic. Wanna throw Clinton in there, as well, for shits and giggles.

What went wrong with US testing?

Hillary's emails.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Gov. Abbott issues travel restrictions for people driving from Louisiana to Texas


Won't let them

Come on man, again, if someone in your family is deathly sick, I bet if you had to you could get around a state to state travel restriction.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Come on man, again, if someone in your family is deathly sick, I bet if you had to you could get around a state to state travel restriction.

Sure, but at least they are trying

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Sure, but at least they are trying

Never said they weren't. But we have to make sure that as Americans we're working together instead of devolving into every state for themselves.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Never said they weren't. But we have to make sure that as Americans we're working together instead of devolving into every state for themselves.

I think we’d be better off breaking as separate states. May not end up boiling down to “50” but could easily go down to 10. Places would be better off for it. I think the “United States” is a failed experiment. I actually think this situation helps provide proof of that.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think we’d be better off breaking as separate states. May not end up boiling down to “50” but could easily go down to 10. Places would be better off for it. I think the “United States” is a failed experiment. I actually think this situation helps provide proof of that.

Putin and China agree with you.

 

[ABM]

Impeachment proceedings?...no, there was way Trump was going to be removed from office...no matter how much McConnell, Trump, et al may make excuses and vainly lay blame elsewhere, the fact is that Trump fucked up, period... and will cause countless people to die needlessly...his inaction is criminal.

And the lengths you'll go to blindly defending this jackwagon of a POTUS no matter what, is mind-numbing.

Nobody said you had to read my posts...let alone, waste precious time responding to them. What, you think you're gonna change my mind?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Nobody said you had to read my posts...let alone, waste precious time responding to them. What, you think you're gonna change my mind?

It's a bit odd that you're against abortion but so in favor of same sex marriage because you and @yankeesince59 fight like an old married couple.

 

[barfo]

I think we’d be better off breaking as separate states. May not end up boiling down to “50” but could easily go down to 10. Places would be better off for it. I think the “United States” is a failed experiment. I actually think this situation helps provide proof of that.

This situation shows that electing people to run the government who - at best - don't care about the government is pretty fucking stupid.

barfo

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Putin and China agree with you.

Good for them.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

It's a bit odd that you're against abortion but so in favor of same sex marriage because you and @yankeesince59 fight like an old married couple.

I hate to agree with you but in this case....

Yankee does seem afraid ABM is gonna leave him though

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

This situation shows that electing people to run the government who - at best - don't care about the government is pretty fucking stupid.

barfo

Seems to me you're a trump fan. He seems to love the government and the power it gives him to do whatever he wants.

 

[ABM]

It's a bit odd that you're against abortion but so in favor of same sex marriage because you and @yankeesince59 fight like an old married couple.

I post my opinions and he chases me around like a little nipping yap dog. Whenever I ignore him, he calls me out for avoiding the issues, etc., etc. Are you suggesting I place him on ignore status?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I post my opinions and he chases me around like a little nipping yap dog. Whenever I ignore him, he calls me out for avoiding the issues, etc., etc. Are you suggesting I place him on ignore status?

Don't do that. He's bored. He needs the attention.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I post my opinions and he chases me around like a little nipping yap dog. Whenever I ignore him, he calls me out for avoiding the issues, etc., etc. Are you suggesting I place him on ignore status?

I think it's funny that both of you use the, "it's not me, it's her" excuse.

I did offer to make you two your own thread to argue in.