What will it take for Chauncey to get fired?

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SharpeScooterShooter said:
chief and harkless were lotto picks in thier second season??
Not even a distant comparison, let alone a close one.
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Hardly matters. Same arguments, and both were more proven in tougher and more important situations than our current two.

We're going to need a team full of talent like Scoot and Sharpe to have any hope of being a contender in the future.

As much as I hope they both turn into stars, the odds are pretty good that one or both of them will not.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Shae barely played this year. Not sure how you can say he was the same…
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He played over 30 games and had a decent amount of minutes in most of those games.

If we are being honest, he was worse, but I was being friendly by saying he was about the same since he got injured.

He was WAY less efficient. He certainly wasn't trending in the direction of "big year 2 leap".

Pretty easy to say he was "about the same" based on those circumstances.
 
Predator said:
He played over 30 games and had a decent amount of minutes in most of those games.

If we are being honest, he was worse, but I was being friendly by saying he was about the same since he got injured.

He was WAY less efficient. He certainly wasn't trending in the direction of "big year 2 leap".

Pretty easy to say he was "about the same" based on those circumstances.
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before Shaedon's injury really flared up, Sharpe had a run of about 6 games with 20+pts on 50%, 40% shooting. The kid can do special things, but his body had a different agenda this year.
 
Predator said:
He played over 30 games and had a decent amount of minutes in most of those games.

If we are being honest, he was worse, but I was being friendly by saying he was about the same since he got injured.

He was WAY less efficient. He certainly wasn't trending in the direction of "big year 2 leap".

Pretty easy to say he was "about the same" based on those circumstances.
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Maybe because he was injured through half those games? Maybe a circumstance you are dismissing?

Did Dame look the same prior to his surgery when he was playing?

context matters…
 
Wonder if he would be in consideration for the Pistons GM opening.
 
dviss1 said:
I accepted the Billups hire like everyone else had to but I thought he should've been President/GM. I was clamoring to bring Ime Udoka home to Portland. It's what we should have done.
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I just don't think Ime would have accepted losing Lillard and going full rebuild.
 
dviss1 said:
I was mainly talking about The NO series.
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Nurk was fighting injury that series also
Played with minutes restriction 24 mins first game, 15 mins the second game, He did play 24 mins the 3rd game but was in foul trouble most of the first half.
He also fouled out of game 4 in 30 mins.
I think what Stotts did with Nurk is kind of a bad point to stand on. He was not able to deal with Davis. Ed Davis was actually a better option at that point. Zach was a non issue. Way over his head.
 
I don't understand this line of reasoning:

Chauncey hasn't had one roster built to win>Chauncey hasn't won games so we can be sure he sucks as a coach>If Chauncey is a bad coach then Stotts was a great coach and should have been retained.

I think everyone knows the first statement is true. Joe has said as much.

The second statement should be nullified by the first statement. I mean people can opine that Chauncey would suck and cost a team wins even if given a winning roster but we can't be sure because of the obvious flaws that every permutation of the rosters that he's had.

The third statement is the weirdest one but it gets thrown around in this forum all of the time. People here are like, "Look how bad Chauncey sucks, we never should have gotten rid of Stotts." Terry Stotts had an unprecedented tenure without a finals appearance, only a franchise that embraces mediocrity would set a record like that. So once this organization decided they'd waited long enough to do what needed to be done a lot sooner, it's hard for me to see them criticized for it.

Just hiring Olshey's number two guy without seriously considering anyone else is worth criticizing but moving away from Stotts after eight seasons without a single win past the second round of the playoffs seems crazy to me.
 
blazerkor said:
I don't understand this line of reasoning:

Chauncey hasn't had one roster built to win>Chauncey hasn't won games so we can be sure he sucks as a coach>If Chauncey is a bad coach then Stotts was a great coach and should have been retained.

I think everyone knows the first statement is true. Joe has said as much.

The second statement should be nullified by the first statement. I mean people can opine that Chauncey would suck and cost a team wins even if given a winning roster but we can't be sure because of the obvious flaws that every permutation of the rosters that he's had.

The third statement is the weirdest one but it gets thrown around in this forum all of the time. People here are like, "Look how bad Chauncey sucks, we never should have gotten rid of Stotts." Terry Stotts had an unprecedented tenure without a finals appearance, only a franchise that embraces mediocrity would set a record like that. So once this organization decided they'd waited long enough to do what needed to be done a lot sooner, it's hard for me to see them criticized for it.

Just hiring Olshey's number two guy without seriously considering anyone else is worth criticizing but moving away from Stotts after eight seasons without a single win past the second round of the playoffs seems crazy to me.
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I've seen nothing that would suggest he is even close to a decent coach.
 
Foxx said:
It was a tanking year - judging Chauncey like this at this point is reaching near gas lighting. He could be an amazing coach, as Scoot could be an amazing pg.

They’re both obviously qualified and still new to it. Bleh
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Every year with Chauncey is a tanking year.
 
I’ll say it again….. swap coaches with Denver and see what happens. Nada changes……
 
THE HCP said:
I’ll say it again….. swap coaches with Denver and see what happens. Nada changes……
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Right. But that doesn't mean Billups is a good coach. Also doesn't mean he's bad. But I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe he's a good coach.
 
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THE HCP said:
I’ll say it again….. swap coaches with Denver and see what happens. Nada changes……
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So you think if Golden State had stuck with Mark Jackson they'd have exactly the same number of championships? So you must think it's completely random who gets to coach and who doesn't. You might as well pick somebody off the street.
 
I think he is saying a good coach is necessary, but not sufficient to win, to put it in genetic speak.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
So you think if Golden State had stuck with Mark Jackson they'd have exactly the same number of championships? So you must think it's completely random who gets to coach and who doesn't. You might as well pick somebody off the street.
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Yep.
Luke Walton had the best season ever for an NBA coach…… remember that.
 
Yeah, bumping this thread right now is about as asinine as it gets. I get it that Chauncey hasn't impressed any of us at all in his overall coaching but it's three weeks into September. Why the fuck would this be the time to talk about what it will take for Chauncey to get fired?

The guy hasn't had one roster built to win. He started with an injured Dame who was in a starting lineup with CJ and Norm. By the trade deadline of that season the team had been torn down around Dame, who was out indefinitely after surgery early in that season. We picked up Jerami that off season and drafted Shae. Joe said going into that season that we had a roster that was definitely not where he wanted it and that he would be looking to make moves to improve around Dame at the trade deadline... instead he again further stripped the team of talent and tanked. We picked up Scoot and Kris in the draft and Dame demanded a trade. We did well with the Dame return but for whatever reason didn't complete the tear down for the rebuild and we still haven't but we also aren't close to where we need to be to field a competitive roster for Chauncey to try and win with.

I don't know what the fuck Joe is doing but the one thing he has not done as GM is give Chauncey a roster that makes sense, not even for one game of Chauncey's head coaching career. I, like a lot of you, think that Chauncey is lacking in some areas that would make him a good or great head coach but I don't know that for sure because not one roster that Joe has put together for him has made any sense.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Hiring the ghost of Jack Ramsey wouldn’t improve this team enough to matter at this point
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I disagree. An experienced coach, with a structured system, who demands winning, would raise us to, oh, about .400 the first year, .450-.500 the second year. We have the talent. Add coaching and 2 years experience to the young guys, and there's a contender.

That doesn't mean we should do that right now. It appears that Cronin's strategy is to start the above a year from now.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Do I think Chauncey is a good coach? No. Do I think our shitty record is his fault? No.

Hiring the ghost of Jack Ramsey wouldn’t improve this team enough to matter at this point
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All I want from our coach at this point is building good habits and teaching the young players. Look at San Antonio the past few years - they've been completely dreadful the first half of the season but by the end of the season they've been genuinely competitive, despite having, if anything, less talent and younger players than ours.

I think Chauncey has the right ideas about how a team should play (AS a team - it's not all isolation) but I just don't think he has either the experience of a veteran coach or the genuine inventiveness of coaches like Kerr (when he started), Spoelstra (ditto) or Mazzulla.
 
THE HCP said:
Yep.
Luke Walton had the best season ever for an NBA coach…… remember that.
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All he did was run Kerr's system. For, what? a month? Aren't you the guy who harps on about drawing conclusions from small sample sizes? How'd he do when he was hired by Sacramento?
 
jlprk said:
I disagree. An experienced coach, with a structured system, who demands winning, would raise us to, oh, about .400 the first year, .450-.500 the second year. We have the talent. Add coaching and 2 years experience to the young guys, and there's a contender.

That doesn't mean we should do that right now. It appears that Cronin's strategy is to start the above a year from now.
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You actually think we have the talent to be a contender right now?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
All he did was run Kerr's system. For, what? a month? Aren't you the guy who harps on about drawing conclusions from small sample sizes? How'd he do when he was hired by Sacramento?
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Aren't you English or something? You can't detect sarcasm?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
All I want from our coach at this point is building good habits and teaching the young players. Look at San Antonio the past few years - they've been completely dreadful the first half of the season but by the end of the season they've been genuinely competitive, despite having, if anything, less talent and younger players than ours.

I think Chauncey has the right ideas about how a team should play (AS a team - it's not all isolation) but I just don't think he has either the experience of a veteran coach or the genuine inventiveness of coaches like Kerr (when he started), Spoelstra (ditto) or Mazzulla.
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Well, San Antonio the past few years fully committed to their rebuild... unlike us who still have a vet in Jerami that could start on a lot of contenders and would be the sixth man on the rest. Seriously everything you point to when trying to find measurable reasons Chauncey is bad just point back to Joe fucking shit up.

That's not me saying that Chauncey is good but until Joe actually gives him a roster that makes sense and asks Chauncey to start trying to make that roster get better and better throughout the season instead of telling him to sit more and more guys as the season goes on, we can't know for sure that Chauncey is a bad coach.
 
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