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tlongII said:
Steadily increasing?
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Despite the seeming political stigmas, etc., folks still love moving to Portland. In fact, it was one of the highest moved-to cities in 2021.
 
ABM said:
Despite the seeming political stigmas, etc., folks still love moving to Portland. In fact, it was one of the highest moved-to cities in 2021.
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are people starting to move based on political divisions?
Kinda feels like it.
 
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this link is an article on Portland having the highest or one of the highest cost of living increases in the nation.
Im assuming home values have alot to do with it. Pretty sure mortgages and rent is a part of cost of living.
So when people talk about thier home value going up, it screws everyone not owning a home.
This is where i tend to agree with @dviss1.
Land ownership is a major part of our separation of rich and poor. Land shouldn't be owned.
Have no clue how to change things, but its no doubt many of the rich made their money off of land aNd real estate back in the day.
Anyhow i hope that those who boast of increasing values of their homes understand that it is costing the poor more, because of it. Their cost of living also goes up, but with no ownership of land to help offset by having an asset.
Edited again per @e_blazer request. I squishes my one sentence paragraphs together for you. :)
 
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Portland Police Used Right-Wing Meme Threatening Violence in Training Presentation


Members of PPB's rapid response team during a 2020 protest alongside a meme included in a RRT training presentation. Doug Brown

The city is in the midst of an internal investigation into the use of a far-right, anti-protester meme in a PPB training presentation.

According to the city, the Portland Police Bureau (PPB) training presentation was created at some point in 2018, but was re-discovered by a PPB employee in September 2021 while reviewing records requested through a lawsuit against the city. The entire presentation appears to be training for crowd control tactics, those used by PPB in response to public demonstrations. Those tactics, used against Portlanders during 2020 racial justice protests, are the central focus of several lawsuits against the city.


The city chose to make the presentation public Friday, since it was slated to be shared in a court filing from lawyers representing he nonprofit Don't Shoot Portland in a lawsuit against the city later in the day.


The image, which is on the presentation's final slide, depicts an armored person in a black helmet punching another person (who appears to be a lot less armored) in the head. The image is layered with text, which reads:


According to the website Know Your Meme, this image has been called the "Prayer of the Alt-Knight" and is attributed to a far-right activist named Kyle Chapman (also known as "Based Stickman"). Chapman is the founder of a group called the Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights, which the Southern Poverty Law Center describes as the “tactical defense arm” of the Proud Boys.

It's no secret that some in Oregon law enforcement are sympathetic to far-right groups. Analysis by OPB last year found that more than two dozen current and former law enforcement officers in Oregon were members of the Oath Keepers, a far-right militia group that played a prominent role on the January 6, 2021 attack on the US Capitol. And, in 2019, text messages obtained by the Mercury found that a Portland police lieutenant had helped Joey Gibson, the leader of right-wing Washington group Patriot Prayer, avoid counter-protesters during a 2018 rally in Portland.

The internal affairs investigation into the use of this image in city training opened in September 2021 and is still ongoing. Retired PPB officer Bob Day lead the bureau's training division in 2018, when the training presentation was allegedly made. It's still unclear who created this slideshow and how frequently it had been shared in trainings.

Mayor Ted Wheeler, who also serves as Portland's police commissioner, reacted to the image in a media statement sent Friday.

“I am disgusted that this offensive content was added to a training presentation for our police officers," Wheeler said. "As soon as I was made aware of the incident, I reached out to Chief Lovell, who shared my deep concern and assured me that a thorough and complete investigation was underway."

In a separate statement PPB Chief Chuck Lovell said, "The message on the training presentation slide was contrary to PPB's values and what we are trying to achieve as an organization."

"I want to make it clear that the content of this message is not representative of the Portland Police Bureau," Lovell said, "and it is disappointing to all of us who work so hard to earn the community's trust."

https://www.portlandmercury.com/blo...threatening-violence-in-training-presentation
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Because it's just a political rant that doesn't offer any anything valuable to the conversation.
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A political rant?? I think he's speaking from his heart. It's very sad.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Because it's just a political rant that doesn't offer any anything valuable to the conversation.

If I laugh at his claims the way they deserve people will just say I'm being a big meany head and the whining will be incessant.
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Plenty of it if one actually stops refusing certain truths.

When you start acknowledging the aiding and abeding going on amongst other tbings, ill take you seriously. Until then its impossible to have a conversation with you because you refuse to acknowledge there are people helping the criminials do what they do and get away by hising them in s crowd.
Yes cops need a major overhaul. But if you think they can do their job when large crowds help hide criminals, then you aRent acknowledging all aspects of the reality.

Your refusal to acknowledge that the peaceful protestors should do more THEMSELVES to call out the criminals around them, is what is disturbing. Nothing will get fixed without that happening… look around. Proof is in the air. Whats on the news? Blm movement? No. The increasing crime waves.
Why?
I think because they undermined themselves by allowing and even supporting what happened and is happening.
This came about by the innitial dismissal of the crimes. And YOU may not be for the cirmes but the people on the street allowed it to happen without calling them out. That is the issue. You just keep avoiding it by blaming cops for everything.
There are two sides. Both sides. Whether you want to refuse to a knowledge it or not. But until you do, im sorry, but Serious discussion just cant be had.

So you can say what you want, but we really must agree to disagree. im gonna beleive what i hear and see on the street. not on major news unless reported all over and then i focus on the factual details. Not the spin and im not gonn take the spin from in here either.
Denying what is happening and why and blaming the cops for it all l, is quite simply a copout. ;)
Sorry.
 
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Orion Bailey said:
Plenty of it if one actually stops refusing certain truths.

When you start acknowledging the aiding and abeding going on amongst other tbings, ill take you seriously. Until then its impossible to have a conversation with you because you refuse to acknowledge there are people helping the criminials do what they do and get away by hising them in s crowd.
Yes cops need a manor overhaul. But if you think they can do their job when large crowds help hide criminals, then you Rent acknowledging all aspects of the facts.

Your refusal to acknowledge that the peaceful protestors should do more THEMSELVES to call out the criminals around them, is what is disturbing. Nothing will get fixed with that happening… look around. Proof is in the air. Whats on the news? Blm movement? No. The im reasons crime waves. This came about by the innitial dismissal of the crimes. And YOU may not be for rhe cirmes but the people on the street allowed it to happen without calling th out. That is the issue. You just keep avoiding it by blaming cops for everything.
There are two sides. Both sides. Whether you want to refuse to a knowledge it or not. But until you do, im sorry, but Serious discussion just cant be had.

So you can say what you want, but we really must agree to disagree im gonna beleive what i hear and see on the street not on major news and not from you. Sorry.
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Right. But just saying a random crowd of people should behave differently should be taken seriously.

Great plan. You should definitely be taken seriously.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Right. But just saying a random crowd of people should behave differently should be taken seriously.

Great plan. You should definitely be taken seriously.
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what is this random? Who said random?
Lol. Right. Cant take this seriously.

Nice spin trying to advocate i stated some plan.. the spin is off the charts. Amusing like satire but not real by any means. So right. Cant take this serious.

intervening during some 7/11 robbery is not the same as actively allowing criminals to hang in your crowd night after night and jump in and out to commit crimes.
Just common sense. But when this wont be acknowledged there is no serious discussion to be had.
Never gonna have a valid solution if we cant confront all the truths of what is going on, and far too many people recuse to do so.. on both sides and so we have what we have. We must acknowledge and discuss honestly what is going on. On ALL levels Or there is nothing to discuss.
Good night sir.
 
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Orion Bailey said:
what is this random? Who said random?
Lol. Right. Cant take this seriously.

Nice spin trying to advocate i stated some plan.. the spin is off the charts. Amusing like satire but not real by any means. So right. Cant take this serious.

intervening during some 7/11 robbery is not the same as actively allowing criminals to hang in your crowd night after night and jump in and out to commit crimes.
Just common sense. But when this wont be acknowledged there is no serious discussion to be had.
Never gonna have a valid solution if we cant confront all the truths of what is going on, and far too many people recuse to do so.. on both sides and so we have what we have. We must acknowledge and discuss honestly what is going on. On ALL levels Or there is nothing to discuss.
Good night sir.
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It's all been discussed. I've not avoided discussing anything. But complaining about everything right wing mouth pieces tell you to complain about with no logical solutions is not discussing things, it's just bitching.

Good night.
 
Phatguysrule said:
It's all been discussed. I've not avoided discussing anything. But complaining about everything right wing mouth pieces tell you to complain about with no logical solutions is not discussing things, it's just bitching.

Good night.
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our definition of discussion must differ. I remember me bringing it up and having it minimized and being ridiculed as me being a one sider. I was basically told i was a bad person for pointing it out and only focusing on that. I was told, its telling the type of person i am. I was told i supporting a racist police force.
Etc.
There was no discussion when i pointed it out. Just ridicule and condescension.
so point blank. Is it and has it been okay for the peaceful protestors to let criminals run free in their circle and not outcast them?
its a yes or no question. Is it okay or is it not?
No shifting to, thats the cops job.
We have neighborhood watches, security guards, etc. because we all understand cops cant be everywhere at once.
Its been widespread common knowledge long before recent events, that cops cant do it all. Again, hence neighborhood watch programs.
So why is there even a debate when i say them allowing the criminals to run free in their circle will undermine their efforts and create many more issue than it solves? Why is it wrong to hold them accountable for not kicking out the bad apples?
One year later and we have evidence i was on point.
But when i tried to discuss this from the outset, the pushback was overwhelming…

but regarding avoiding. You are.
You twisted my comments into me claiming its okay to randomly wave a fire arm around. No body said that and nobody did that. The couple i referenced was far from random.
So then i ask you who is saying that and you didn't answer. That is avoiding.
you twisted what i said into a false claim of saying its okay to randomly wave guns. I never said anything close to that.
That is avoiding, twisting, deflecting, whatever you prefer to call it.
It isn't a serious, honest discussion. Thats all i know…
 
Orion Bailey said:
our definition of discussion must differ. I remember me bringing it up and having it minimized and being ridiculed as me being a one sider. I was basically told i was a bad person for pointing it out and only focusing on that. I was told, its telling the type of person i am. I was told i supporting a racist police force.
Etc.
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You do support a racist police force. At least from everything I've seen. Like, you don't want people to think you do. But you still do it. And you defend them.

There was no discussion when i pointed it out. Just ridicule and condescension.
so point blank.
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Not sure what this means...
Is it and has it been okay for the peaceful protestors to let criminals run free in their circle and not outcast them? its a yes or no question. Is it okay or is it not?
No shifting to, thats the cops job.
We have neighborhood watches, security guards, etc. because we all understand cops cant be everywhere at once.
Its been widespread common knowledge long before recent events, that cops cant do it all.
Again, hence neighborhood watch programs.
So why is there even a debate when i say them allowing the criminals to run free in their circle will undermine their efforts and create many more issue than it solves? Why is it wrong to hold them accountable for not kicking out the bad apples?
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I don't care if their protest is successful. I don't care if a protest handles violence well. It's irrelivent to the discussion of police action. Protestors are not trained and there is nothing we can do to change the way protestors behave, aside from having our police de-escalate situations and legally arrest violent criminals.

Discussing how protestors behave is pointless unless you want to start teaching kids in school how to protest effectively. They are a mob. Mobs can be dangerous if not handled properly by authorities.

One year later and we have evidence i was on point.
But when i tried to discuss this from the outset, the pushback was overwhelming…
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I don't know what this means.

but regarding avoiding. You are.
You twisted my comments into me claiming its okay to randomly wave a fire arm around. No body said that and nobody did that. The couple i referenced was far from random.
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I didn't say the couple was random. They pointed their guns at people who were breaking no laws and who they didn't know. Hence a crowd of random law abiding people.

You posted in support of the couple. I posted that they were in the wrong. You see this as some sort of attack on you.
Not sure why. Don't care.
So then i ask you who is saying that and you didn't answer. That is avoiding.
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No, you asked something unrelated because you want to argue and change the appearance that you're supporting idiots who are in the wrong while still supporting it
you twisted what i said into a false claim of saying its okay to randomly wave guns. I never said anything close to that.
That is avoiding, twisting, deflecting, whatever you prefer to call it.
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Sorry, I don't think I did that. But I understand why you like to claim I did.
It isn't a serious, honest discussion. Thats all i know…
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Any time anybody disagrees with you, you consider it being ridiculed.

If you don't want to be ridiculed stop supporting ridiculous things.

Nobody can have a serious, honest discussion with you about many things. You aren't interested in that. You are interested in believe whatever you want without being challenged. You're interested in challenging other people about their beliefs without them defending those beliefs.

Freedom for me, but not for thee
 
Phatguysrule said:
You do support a racist police force. At least from everything I've seen. Like, you don't want people to think you do. But you still do it. And you defend them.


Not sure what this means...

I don't care if their protest is successful. I don't care if a protest handles violence well. It's irrelivent to the discussion of police action. Protestors are not trained and there is nothing we can do to change the way protestors behave, aside from having our police de-escalate situations and legally arrest violent criminals.

Discussing how protestors behave is pointless unless you want to start teaching kids in school how to protest effectively. They are a mob. Mobs can be dangerous if not handled properly by authorities.


I don't know what this means.


I didn't say the couple was random. They pointed their guns at people who were breaking no laws and who they didn't know. Hence a crowd of random law abiding people.

You posted in support of the couple. I posted that they were in the wrong. You see this as some sort of attack on you.
Not sure why. Don't care.

No, you asked something unrelated because you want to argue and change the appearance that you're supporting idiots who are in the wrong while still supporting it

Sorry, I don't think I did that. But I understand why you like to claim I did.

Any time anybody disagrees with you, you consider it being ridiculed.

If you don't want to be ridiculed stop supporting ridiculous things.

Nobody can have a serious, honest discussion with you about many things. You aren't interested in that. You are interested in believe whatever you want without being challenged. You're interested in challenging other people about their beliefs without them defending those beliefs.

Freedom for me, but not for thee
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okay. I stopped reading after your first sentence. Just hogwash. Ive stated many times police need a complete overhaul. How is that supporting them???I only claimed not all cops are racist or had bad intentions. Period.
Again. Cant take you serious based off your first incorrect statement.. not bothering to read more if you cant be accurate on the first sentence you typed.
Or maybe its you just see what you want to see?

Go back and correct your first sentence and i will reengage.

Until then you are just wrong and only seeing what you want to see, of which is not factually accurate.

bout the same as me saying someone was defending their property from an aggressive crowd surging their direction being twisted into randomly waiving guns at passerby's.
Just nonsense equations. Period.

Isnt even close to apples to apples.
Honestly kinda ridiculous. The spin going on here…
 
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