Rumor What's going on in Portland?

[SlyPokerDog]

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[Phatguysrule]

well it seems now you are shifting the cause of the vandalism from cop killing minorities to economic divisions?

No, it's the same problem. It's about government treating the poor and week as livestock that they can abuse. This is something that should be discouraged.

 

[Orion Bailey]

If the video is easily accessible by the general public it is only a public safety tool. It's when only the police have access to it or requires an attorney to help a citizen get copies of footage is when you get corruption.

So so you think we should have cameras recording our every move outside our homes and live feeding to a broadcast company of some sort? The only way to trust its real and not compromised would be to see it on real time, no?

I've been on the fence on this for a bit now.
I used to be full on against it. But then i see jerkoffs cutting people off on the roads and wish there were cameras. So im not sure myself

 

[Phatguysrule]

So you do think we should have cameras recording our every move outside our homes and live feeding to a broadcast company of some sort? The only way to trust its real and not compromised would be to see it on real time, no?

I've been on the fence on this for a bit now.
I used to be full on against it. But then i see jerkoffs cutting people off on the roads and wish there were cameras. So im not sure myself

I don't think so. I think police and anybody allowed to use deadly force in the name of the government should have their every move recorded while they are on duty.

 

[Orion Bailey]

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No, it's the same problem. It's about government treating the poor and week as livestock that they can abuse. This is something that should be discouraged.

Show me a government without corruption?

Capitalism provides an ability for the dedicated to work harder and get ahead. There are flaws, like all, but i believe the average american has it better than most people in the world and most of our ancestors who lived under different government styles.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I don't think so. I think police and anybody allowed to use deadly force in the name of the government should have their every move recorded while they are on duty.

oh i agree with that. But that isnt what you said.
I was referring to you talking about police using drones to videotape protestors looking for vandals.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

So you do think we should have cameras recording our every move outside our homes and live feeding to a broadcast company of some sort? The only way to trust its real and not compromised would be to see it on real time, no?

I've been on the fence on this for a bit now.
I used to be full on against it. But then i see jerkoffs cutting people off on the roads and wish there were cameras. So im not sure myself

I think we introduce them in the downtown core and see how it goes from there. If they help to reduce crime without violating civil rights we then look to carefully expand it.

I am concerned about putting public cameras in private neighborhoods because it could make it easier for criminals to know when people are home or not and their schedules for when to break into houses and/or other crimes.

 

[Phatguysrule]

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Show me a government without corruption?

Capitalism provides an ability for the dedicated to work harder and get ahead. There are flaws, like all, but i believe the average american has it better than most people in the world and most of our ancestors who lived under different government styles.

You should spend some time reading up on the gini coefficient


https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...ationship-between-income-inequality-and-crime

 

[Phatguysrule]

oh i agree with that. But that isnt what you said.
I was referring to you talking about police using drones to videotape protestors looking for vandals.

Is there some reason a protest should not be on video? There is a big difference between being on video at all times in all places and being on video because you're part of a public demonstration...

 

[Orion Bailey]

I think we introduce them in the downtown core and see how it goes from there. If they help to reduce crime without violating civil rights we then look to carefully expand it.

I am concerned about putting public cameras in private neighborhoods because it could make it easier for criminals to know when people are home or not and their schedules for when to break into houses and/or other crimes.

i suppose id be for that. Having lived downtown two separate times in two different areas in two different stages of my life, ive seen some crazy shit that i know cameras would have detered.
But it becomes real grey, that right to privacy and where do we cross the lines? There are residential sections downtown as well.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Is there some reason a protest should not be on video? There is a big difference between being on video at all times in all places and being on video because you're part of a public demonstration...

No but i think opening up the government to film anything can quickly lead to cameras on every corner everywhere. Its fickle.

Ive got to go. Wife getting annoyed im not putting my phone down.

 

[Phatguysrule]

No but i think opening up the government to film anything can quickly lead to cameras on every corner everywhere. Its fickle.

Ive got to go. Wife getting annoyed im not putting my phone down.

There is nothing preventing them from taking video footage in public. It's perfectly legal.

Should we fund a city wide cctv network? No, I wouldn't support that. But filming large gatherings of people in public spaces seems fairly harmless.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I dont think protestors are vandalizing much. I think vandals are vandalizing much. In the cover of darkness. I never feel unsafe cuz im used to it but Portland is like mad max. Even my buddy from Seattle remarked how different things were here.

Right. But as you say, they use the protests as cover. So no protests, likely no excessive vandalism.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think a pack of cannibals roaming the streets could put a quick end to the vandalism problem.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think a pack of cannibals roaming the streets could put a quick end to the vandalism problem.

and homeless.

 

[Lanny]

Its funny. I live here too and you see tons of BLM signs, not many American flags (unlike yourself) but LO is the most racist town in the world!!

Was the most racist. You'd be surprised at how my Asian wife is treated around here. I've met four of our immediate neighbors and they love her. Right now, we've got a neighbor who lives kitty corner from us who spent all day cutting up fallen tree limbs that came down in our yard during the ice storm. Now, they've volunteered to take down and dispose of three limbs dangling up in our trees. And the other neighbors came to our door two days ago to take us on a fishing trip. The neighbors on our other side are Mormons and retired school teachers. They seem to love my wife. Everyone in our church comes up to us and adores my wife who is really friendly. We have never had a shred of problem in the five years we've recently lived here.
When I grew up here in the 50s Oswego was extremely racist but not anymore and that's a fact. Are there some bad eggs here? Yes, I've heard of a very few but we've never encountered them.

 

[Lanny]

Okay... lets try to be rational here.
There are hundreds of protestors. A couple dozen cops. A few vandals intermixed in the protestors.
Do you think the cops have a realistic chance of catching the bulk of the vandals on camera or in the act?

Of course i want the problem solved. And I think that starts with being accurate of our depictions of events when vandalism occurs, where the officers are at the time, and the fact that most of the vandalism happens while on the move.
Cops are not going to be there during the act. What percent of crimes occur while in the presence of an officer?

The FBI are catching a lot of the Capitol building vandals using surveillance cameras.

 

[Lanny]

Blazers won.

I'm going to go vandalize my stomach tomorrow with some free chicken McNuggies.

Good for you but personally I just can't stomach the thought of eating bits of chicken from parts unknown. And can't stand white meat chicken unless it is cooked medium rare and juicy.

 

[Lanny]

No but i think opening up the government to film anything can quickly lead to cameras on every corner everywhere. Its fickle.

Ive got to go. Wife getting annoyed im not putting my phone down.

In the United Kingdom they had to put up cameras everywhere to prevent terrorist acts.

 

[jonnyboy]

Well, I am Norwegian, so, there's that.

Me as well.

 

[calvin natt]

Was the most racist. You'd be surprised at how my Asian wife is treated around here. I've met four of our immediate neighbors and they love her. Right now, we've got a neighbor who lives kitty corner from us who spent all day cutting up fallen tree limbs that came down in our yard during the ice storm. Now, they've volunteered to take down and dispose of three limbs dangling up in our trees. And the other neighbors came to our door two days ago to take us on a fishing trip. The neighbors on our other side are Mormons and retired school teachers. They seem to love my wife. Everyone in our church comes up to us and adores my wife who is really friendly. We have never had a shred of problem in the five years we've recently lived here.
When I grew up here in the 50s Oswego was extremely racist but not anymore and that's a fact. Are there some bad eggs here? Yes, I've heard of a very few but we've never encountered them.

I was being sarcastic

 

[Orion Bailey]

You should spend some time reading up on the gini coefficient


https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...ationship-between-income-inequality-and-crime

Sure poverty breeds crime. But do we just give whatever to people throwing tantrums because they dont have what others have?

for every hard working poverty stricken individual, there is a lazy oar who wants to do nothing but have things handed to them.
This is why i dont think a universal problem solves anything and it should be a case by case basis, who gets/deserves help and who doesnt.
I get my opinion is not for everyone though.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Sure poverty breeds crime. But do we just give whatever to people throwing tantrums because they dont have what others have?

for every hard working poverty stricken individual, there is a lazy oar who wants to do nothing but have things handed to them.
This is why i dont think a universal problem solves anything and it should be a case by case basis, who gets/deserves help and who doesnt.
I get my opinion is not for everyone though.

We should support policy proven to reduce poverty if we want to reduce crime. That is the most efficient and effective way to prevent crime and suffering. Most of the Nordic and Scandinavian countries have it pretty well figured out. Their populations are generally very happy with low crime rates while remaining highly productive.

in many ways “laziness” is related to how motived people feel to engage in behaviors throughout the day, and what behaviors are determined to be the most obvious at being “worthwhile” for exerting energy. It may very well be that “laziness” is not the result of a specific personality trait but more that the situations itself do not present the person with sufficient motivation for exerting needed energy. These are the situations that do not cause the parts of the brain that start energy exertion to “kick in."

Criticizing and deducting pay from employees who are lazy might be the first reaction. But looking at where laziness comes from supports the idea that doing more to reinforce the importance of workers and what they are being told to do is likely to be more effective.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/comparatively-speaking/201901/are-some-people-just-lazy

If there are a lot of lazy people in our society it is largely because we are not offering them sufficient motivation.

 

[Orion Bailey]

We should support policy proven to reduce poverty if we want to reduce crime. That is the most efficient and effective way to prevent crime and suffering. Most of the Nordic and Scandinavian countries have it pretty well figured out. Their populations are generally very happy with low crime rates while remaining highly productive.





https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/comparatively-speaking/201901/are-some-people-just-lazy

If there are a lot of lazy people in our society it is largely because we are not offering them sufficient motivation.

Ive always been a self motivated person, so its harder for me to understand why some people require an external source to motivate them.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Ive always been a self motivated person, so its harder for me to understand why some people require an external source to motivate them.

You are still motivated differently by society. Maybe it works for you. But the problems we have show that it doesn't work for many many people. It's gotten to the point that even very motivated people still wind up poor. You almost have to get lucky or break the law to become well off in America.

It's quite literally rigged against poor people here.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Ive always been a self motivated person, so its harder for me to understand why some people require an external source to motivate them.

Self motivation and confidence is often a learned trait. Sometimes, based on how someone was raised or events in life they can either lose or have no experience in using those traits.

Sounds like you might be great in a Big Brother/Big Sister program showing others the confidence and motivation required for a better life.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Self motivation and confidence is often a learned trait. Sometimes, based on how someone was raised or events in life they can either lose or have no experience in using those traits.

Sounds like you might be great in a Big Brother/Big Sister program showing others the confidence and motivation required for a better life.

I was a part of outdoor school im highschool. A counsellor for five sessions.
The biggest problem i found was the parental traits passed down. very delicate situation to discuss with youth, how their parents are not adequately prepRing them for the world.

 

[Orion Bailey]

You are still motivated differently by society. Maybe it works for you. But the problems we have show that it doesn't work for many many people. It's gotten to the point that even very motivated people still wind up poor. You almost have to get lucky or break the law to become well off in America.

It's quite literally rigged against poor people here.

based on affirmative action and other things created to help provide equality, i think thats a somewhat biased take.

there will always be rich and poor. There will never be an equal income across the board for all. Supply and demand alone proves this.

And yes there is supply and demand in the workforce as well.

i know some people want to take money from the rich and redistribute. without breaking down every dollar and why, I'm opposed to this in a general sense. Some people have 100% right to do with what they want of the money they have made for themselves.

 

[Chris Craig]

I think a pack of cannibals roaming the streets could put a quick end to the vandalism problem.

and homeless.

But, then we have a cannibal problem

 

[Minstrel]

there will always be rich and poor. There will never be an equal income across the board for all.

No one's calling for equal incomes for everyone. Just a narrower divide between rich and poor; a higher floor, especially, for what "poverty" means--especially in a society as overall wealthy as this one.