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Cities need rehab facilities for meth and heroin addicts....should be a requirement for public housing to pass a piss test just like people have to to get a job...fail the test you get rehab housing...not public housing...incentive..and Holland has had legal drugs for ages with less crime than we have jailing drug users.....legalizing it also brings down the cost for those who don't quit using and less cost means less desperation to get a fix...mental illness should also be dealt with with rehab centers...first step in dealing with mental illness is to get the meth out of the equation or the alcohol..etc...the transition to implement new approaches will take time and not show immediate results...still we should address the problem from several angles...passing one law won't solve the problem....getting clean and sober is where you start
 
@Orion Bailey @Phatguysrule - thought I'd tag you two since you guys have been discussing this topic for a while.



Gotta say, playing Baby Shark to keep homeless people away is utterly cruel. I must've listened to that song thousands of times when my daughter was a baby.

We used to wake up to "It's Raining Tacos" before school. Still do sometimes. My kids absolutely love tacos...
 
Cities need rehab facilities for meth and heroin addicts....should be a requirement for public housing to pass a piss test just like people have to to get a job...fail the test you get rehab housing...not public housing...incentive..and Holland has had legal drugs for ages with less crime than we have jailing drug users.....legalizing it also brings down the cost for those who don't quit using and less cost means less desperation to get a fix...mental illness should also be dealt with with rehab centers...first step in dealing with mental illness is to get the meth out of the equation or the alcohol..etc...the transition to implement new approaches will take time and not show immediate results...still we should address the problem from several angles...passing one law won't solve the problem....getting clean and sober is where you start
Yes, we certainly need to focus more on rehab centers. The problem is you can't force them to get tested. And they'll be afraid to get tested because they don't want to go to jail. Sure, if you catch one breaking the law you can push them through the system.

My personal opinion is that it is going to take a complete change in the way we deal with them, from requiring them to do stuff, to just helping them and offering services. If most of them were interested in meeting requirements and jumping through hoops we wouldn't be in this situation.

But again, by all means, if police catch a junkie breaking the law go ahead and arrest them and put them in jail (at least until a rehab space is available). Then start moving them through the system as they recover until you get them into public housing with a caseworker.
 
From reading through most of this thread, a lot of what the video I linked to discussed, you've already covered. But skip to 20:02. Even if we have the funding, finding locations to build affordable housing won't be easy.

This part was right on point:


Yeah, I watched the whole thing. It was great.

No doubt. We'll have to get creative. We have huge vacant buildings which could be torn down and replaced with container units (of which we have a huge excess).
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There are other solutions as well, we just have to be willing to apply them.

We shouldn't be in the business of torturing people. We're spending so much more by keeping it dirty and miserable than we would by cleaning it up. Helping the people is an awesome extra bonus.

The lost revenue this city is seeing because we're unwilling to solve the problem is disgraceful. Everything about this is disgraceful.
 
That's a good start. $40 million would house nearly all of Portland's homeless for a year.

Or you could build 2666 shipping container homes with $40 million (probably more, with a little creative engineering and given economies of scale).

2 years of that and Portland could house all of it's homeless... plus some from surrounding areas.

$40 million would buy a lot of plane tickets :grin:
 
Why not line up the water front (Front Avenue Park) with Homeless Housing or Terminal Two. Either mobile homes or module homes. Or build a city for them on Ross Island with bridge.
 
Why not line up the water front (Front Avenue Park) with Homeless Housing or Terminal Two. Either mobile homes or module homes. Or build a city for them on Ross Island with bridge.

Aren't there some empty FEMA detention camps we can borrow? :devilwink:
 
Why not line up the water front (Front Avenue Park) with Homeless Housing or Terminal Two. Either mobile homes or module homes. Or build a city for them on Ross Island with bridge.

I think many people would think the bridge was a bridge too far.

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Why not line up the water front (Front Avenue Park) with Homeless Housing or Terminal Two. Either mobile homes or module homes. Or build a city for them on Ross Island with bridge.
Ideally they aren't all in the same place. That's how you get slums. Best to spread them out as much as possible.

But yeah, there are spaces you could put them. And if you did put them all in one are a (like that big lot below 405) you could run bus service there and police it heavily to hopefully prevent the slums. You could stack tens of thousands of container units down there as low income housing and the people paying rent would subsidize those who couldn't afford it.

Make rent no more than 30% of your income.

You'd have incentive to move out ASAP but you'd also have privacy.
 
I have friends in Sequim Washington that tell me Seattle had been bussing homeless in on a regular basis.
 
I have friends in Sequim Washington that tell me Seattle had been bussing homeless in on a regular basis.
It's a federal problem and should be dealt with at the federal level.

But it won't be. We'd rather spend 5-10x more so we can feel like we're superior and make them suffer.
 
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It's a federal problem and should be dealt with at the federal level.

But it won't be. We'd rather spend 5-10x more so we can feel like we're superior and make then suffer.
Why wouldn't it be the responsibly of City and/or State?
 
I don't have a subscription for this, but I'd love to find out why the real estate market in Portland is still booming with all the doom and gloom I read in here.

 
Heard a comedian from Portland do a bit about parking tickets...said he drives a Prius or a living and got 68 bucks in parking tickets in a week....he solved his problem by parking on the sidewalks and covering his car with a blue tent...nobody bothers his car all day and he gets no tickets!
 
So what you're saying is we need to design a junky-meter and if they're over, let's say 20% junky, they don't get housing assistance?
No. You get the most responsible in homes first and and work your way down until everybody is in a home or has gotten into trouble and been arrested and moved through the system.
 
I don't have a subscription for this, but I'd love to find out why the real estate market in Portland is still booming with all the doom and gloom I read in here.



This has been discussed/explained.
Its mostly due to no new housing having been built, lack of options for people. Its simply supply and demand. Your home value isn't the only thing going up. Everything is. Inflation doesn't mean things are worth more, just cost more.
Things take time. Businesses leave first. Then the people. Lets see where real estate is at five years from now.
 
This has been discussed/explained.
Its mostly due to no new housing having been built, lack of options for people. Its simply supply and demand. Your home value isn't the only thing going up. Everything is. Inflation doesn't mean things are worth more, just cost more.
Things take time. Businesses leave first. Then the people. Lets see where real estate is at five years from now.
Baring a natural disaster real estate will be higher in 5-10 years than it is now.
 
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