Which draft/trade outcomes are acceptable?

[James lamphear]

One thing we don't what kind of team we got when everyone is healthy as the roster is now. So the GM has to look at first. If we trade down to it's has to be with the Hornets because there still quality in that range.

 

[e_blazer]

So we're operating under the assumption that Simons is not that Robin?

That type of Robin laid an egg with CJ. IMHO, Robin needs to be a talented wing or PF.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Yeah I agree with this. Some years there might be a Jimmy Butler, or Kawhi, or heck even Ben Simmons available via the trade market for a #7 and other assets. It doesn't look like any of those star level players are available this time.

So what do the Blazers do?

Just drafting the BPA at #7 and hoping for the rare chance they are a Robin would be better. But Dame and Cronin rhetoric unfortunately lead me to suspect they will reach for the best player they can get in trade; and try to cram that third/fourth banana into the Robin role.

Ayton - he’s available this year!

sign & trade Nurkic and #7 to PHX and get Ayton with Dame….then have fun building around this dynamic duo for the next 4-5 years!

Nab Randle or Woods using the trade exception and give them 2025 Bucks #1 pick

 

[wizenheimer]

for fuck-sakes the value of Deandre Ayton has becomes massively overrated around here

 

[riverman]

We don't need a Batman Robin team....we need the Beatles with Billy Preston team

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Ayton - he’s available this year!

sign & trade Nurkic and #7 to PHX and get Ayton with Dame….then have fun building around this dynamic duo for the next 4-5 years!

Nab Randle or Woods using the trade exception and give them 2025 Bucks #1 pick

Can't trade the #7 for a free agent.

 

[Sedatedfork]

 

[TBpup]

Hmmm...

 

[illmatic99]

I think this topic needs resurfacing one week before the draft.

I would be irate about...

1. Trading #7 for Grant.
2. Over-drafting someone at 7 like Duren/Daniels/Dieng/Griffin and doing nothing else.
3. Trading #7 for Collins/OG without other assets coming back.
4. Using our TPE on a non-starting caliber player.
5. Trading Hart/Ant/Dame.
6. Not picking up Bledsoe's contract and just paying him his $3.9 mil. Seriously, this would achieve nothing if we are operating above the cap and would waste yet another possible asset.

Things I could be talked into, but still be dubious:
7. Trading down from #7 to another lottery pick while getting an asset (depends on the asset; 13+15 for 7 is OK, 9+20+25 for 7 is OK, 7 for 12 + Dort is unappealing).
8. Taking Shaedon Sharpe. It's a risky move, but I would trust that they'd have done the homework on him more than just going ga-ga over a workout.

 

[Natebishop3]

Over-drafting someone at 7 like Duren/Daniels/Dieng and doing nothing else.

Where do you think Daniels should go?

 

[illmatic99]

Where do you think Daniels should go?

10 or 11. Duren 12 or below. This isn't based on my perceived feelings on them, but moreso just BPA. I think there are 10 players better than Daniels. I think there are at least 11 or 12 players better than Duren.

 

[blazerkor]

The first thing to understand is the order of operations. This isn't some monstrous four team trade. First we trade Bledsoe and 7 to the Hawks for Collins and 17. Then we trade 16 to the Spurs for 20 and 25. Then we trade 20 and the Bucks 2025 first rounder to the Pistons for Grant. Finally we draft Dalen Terry with 25 and Orlando Robinson with 36.

Dame, Ant, Grant, Collins, Nurk, Hart, Nas, Justise, Terry, Robinson, Keon, Trendon, Greg and Didi with Williams and pick 57 as our two way players.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

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The first thing to understand is the order of operations. This isn't some monstrous four team trade. First we trade Bledsoe and 7 to the Hawks for Collins and 17. Then we trade 16 to the Spurs for 20 and 25. Then we trade 20 and the Bucks 2025 first rounder to the Pistons for Grant. Finally we draft Dalen Terry with 25 and Orlando Robinson with 36.

Dame, Ant, Grant, Collins, Nurk, Hart, Nas, Justise, Terry, Robinson, Keon, Trendon, Greg and Didi with Williams and pick 57 as our two way players.

That would be much harder result to complete than a 4 team trade.

It's four trades with five team all of which (except the Hawks) dependent on other trades with multiple teams in the same draft.

I don't believe anything like this has happened in the history of the NBA, or any major professional sports.

 

[blazerfan11]

10 or 11. Duren 12 or below. This isn't based on my perceived feelings on them, but moreso just BPA. I think there are 10 players better than Daniels. I think there are at least 11 or 12 players better than Duren.

What are those 10 players, in order?

 

[illmatic99]

What are those 10 players, in order?

1. Paolo
2. Smith
3. Ivey
4. Chey
5. Murray
6. Mathurin
7. Sharpe
8. Davis
9. Eason
10. Agbaji
11. Sochan

 

[blazerfan11]

1. Paolo
2. Smith
3. Ivey
4. Chey
5. Murray
6. Mathurin
7. Sharpe
8. Davis
9. Eason
10. Agbaji
11. Sochan

I hope that's Cronin's list too.

 

[illmatic99]

I hope that's Cronin's list too.

Id prolly say the tiers of players are pretty close 8-12. So duren and daniels are close, just not my idea of BPA in that range

 

[blazerfan11]

1. Paolo
2. Smith
3. Ivey
4. Chey
5. Murray
6. Mathurin
7. Sharpe
8. Davis
9. Eason
10. Agbaji
11. Sochan

Murray could quickly be as good as any player we could get in a trade, and Mathurin and Sharpe have All- Star potential. I also think Portland has proven to be a good place for players to develop, even more so with Billups.

 

[Freshtown]

1. Paolo
2. Smith
3. Ivey
4. Chey
5. Murray
6. Mathurin
7. Sharpe
8. Davis
9. Eason
10. Agbaji
11. Sochan

This really changed my mind on Agbaji https://open.spotify.com/episode/1zXPwHCaSj7fQVtx61iv6j?si=vnZej56VReSUEaEekta0Cg

 

[illmatic99]

This really changed my mind on Agbaji https://open.spotify.com/episode/1zXPwHCaSj7fQVtx61iv6j?si=vnZej56VReSUEaEekta0Cg

He worked out with Dame and his trainer last yr and apparently has a terrific work ethic

 

[blazerkor]

That would be much harder result to complete than a 4 team trade.

It's four trades with five team all of which (except the Hawks) dependent on other trades with multiple teams in the same draft.

I don't believe anything like this has happened in the history of the NBA, or any major professional sports.

I don't know where you get your math but we don't count as a new team in every trade and there are only three trades made. So we make (in my opinion) the most important trade first, Bledsoe and 7 for Collins and 16. If we can't make the next deal with the Spurs we would try the Grizz for 22 and 29. We would probably still get the same players with the later picks. There are options. I don't know if trading back twice has been done in the NBA before but it's done in the NFL all of the time. Doing something like this is the ambition that we need.

Does Bledsoe and 7 make sense for Collins and 16? If it does that's the first step.

I think 16 for two picks in the twenties is also very doable.

Detroit has said they need two firsts for Grant and we would be able to provide those if that second deal went down.

So, I realize there are a lot of moving pieces and teams would likely be on the clock but this isn't impossible or even implausible because every trade makes sense on its own. I think it's far more likely that Cronin agrees with you that it would be too much, too quickly. So it likely goes: Bledsoe and 7 for Collins and 16 followed by 16 and probably the Bucks pick for Grant. Joe upgrades both starting forward positions... drafts whoever the fuck at 36 and calls it a day.

 

[wizenheimer]

Detroit has said they need two firsts for Grant and we would be able to provide those if that second deal went down.

I don't know what Detroit will accept in a trade of Grant, but if they demand two 1st's they can pound sand, then fuck off, then drop dead

 

[blazerkor]

I don't know what Detroit will accept in a trade of Grant, but if they demand two 1st's they can pound sand, then fuck off, then drop dead

I don't know... if we can put a starting lineup out there of Dame, Ant, Grant, Collins and Nurk with Hart, Nas, Justise, pick 36 and the hole we need to fill in that rotation with the TPMLE, wouldn't it just be worth it?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I don't know... if we can put a starting lineup out there of Dame, Ant, Grant, Collins and Nurk with Hart, Nas, Justise, pick 36 and the hole we need to fill in that rotation with the TPMLE, wouldn't it just be worth it?

While I think Collins and Grant are good, I'm not seeing how our defense is a top 8.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I don't know... if we can put a starting lineup out there of Dame, Ant, Grant, Collins and Nurk with Hart, Nas, Justise, pick 36 and the hole we need to fill in that rotation with the TPMLE, wouldn't it just be worth it?

If you want to compete for a playoff spot and nothing more it is

 

[TBpup]

If you want to compete for a playoff spot and nothing more it is

Agreed. It is certainly a large improvement in our forward positions, but Grant isn't really a SF, and I'm not sure how Nurk fits with Collins. There there is the issue that you would have 5 players who all want to get their shots to get 15-25 points. Just don't see that working out well unless someone is really willing to take a back seat.

 

[wizenheimer]

I don't know... if we can put a starting lineup out there of Dame, Ant, Grant, Collins and Nurk with Hart, Nas, Justise, pick 36 and the hole we need to fill in that rotation with the TPMLE, wouldn't it just be worth it?

my bottom line is that Grant is not worth two first round picks. That's a simple equation. RoCo sure as hell was not worth 2 first's and I'd argue Nance was not worth one first, especially with the protections placed on it. So it's not like the Blazers don't have a couple of very good recent templates to use in gauging Grant's value vs 1st round picks