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That's a really good question, isn't it? 23 years old, supposedly their best player, signed to a long term deal...... The only thing I read is that VanGundy doesn't really like his effort level sometimes. So you have a player whose value is based only on his athletic ability and intensity ( a terrible free throw shooter) and his intensity is falling off at 23, hmmm.

With the new style of the NBA, ball movement is faster and shooting is paramount. Bulky giant Drummond would have been great 10 years ago, but now he seems unenergetic relative to this faster league. He's playing as energetically as he can.
 
That's a really good question, isn't it? 23 years old, supposedly their best player, signed to a long term deal...... The only thing I read is that VanGundy doesn't really like his effort level sometimes. So you have a player whose value is based only on his athletic ability and intensity ( a terrible free throw shooter) and his intensity is falling off at 23, hmmm.

Effort has always been a question for him.
 
With the new style of the NBA, ball movement is faster and shooting is paramount. Bulky giant Drummond would have been great 10 years ago, but now he seems unenergetic relative to this faster league. He's playing as energetically as he can.

I think this is the case. The old adage that you don't trade big for small is long gone.
Centers are needed but not sure you pay them max contracts anymore because they don't play big minutes. And you really need 3 of them to get through a season. The center position has dropped in terms of priority. Again you still need them in order to be successful, but you really only need them for defense and rebounding. So you need energy guys at that position.
 
The post player is vital to a balanced offense.

I realize I know nothing, but you all do realize Cleveland won last year because Lebron started posting up, right?

A post player with shooters is the most lethal offense because the defense can't double, and if they do, shooters are open
 
The post player is vital to a balanced offense.

I realize I know nothing, but you all do realize Cleveland won last year because Lebron started posting up, right?

A post player with shooters is the most lethal offense because the defense can't double, and if they do, shooters are open

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yeah, I'm not sure I buy this "death of big men" completely. Prime Shaq would be devastating right now. Hakeem and Robinson would eat people alive, or else have the ability to pass to a bunch of people who can shoot open 3's not just a designated sharpshooter.

Just because they're not plodding doesn't mean big men can't develop a skill. If Boogie, for instance, was even slightly above league-average at the rim, he'd be a 30-11 guy. That's pretty damn good. Same with Anthony Davis. If he used his freakish athleticism Hakeem-style instead of shooting 18' jumpers at an LMA-esque 42% clip, he'd be devastating (and likely into the 30's in PPG).

EDIT: What MM and TBPup said while I was pulling stats.
 
Guess not everyone likes pizza.

Actually, what MM and TBPup have been saying was largely reflected by what Neil himself said today:

Phones were ringing yesterday, today was silent and mostly waiting....and then getting nothing.
 
Actually, what MM and TBPup have been saying was largely reflected by what Neil himself said today:

Phones were ringing yesterday, today was silent and mostly waiting....and then getting nothing.

So we don't have to fire our 'sources'.....good. :cheers:
 
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If you have a Shaq or Olajuwon, of course you'd exploit their incredible post presence. The reason people say that the traditional post-up big man is out of vogue is because 99.9% of post-up bigs aren't Shaq or Olajuwon and, from those guys, isolation post-ups are not very efficient.

In the past, if you had a center or power forward who was capable of posting up, traditional wisdom said that you were best of having him post up and running an inside-out offense through him. But the high efficiency of three-pointers, drives to the hoop off pick-and-rolls against defenses spread out by shooters, and fast break opportunities has more and more pushed post-up opportunities out of most offense's diets. The same is true of the mid-range shot.

It's not that teams never shoot mid-range shots or post up, those are just no longer the focus, especially out of isolation. So teams aren't looking for guys who specialize in outdated skillsets, unless the player just happens to be truly special. You always try to make it work with a special talent, whether the particular skillset is currently in vogue or not.
 
http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18908000

According to Windhorst, Portland and Philly had a conference call scheduled with the league to announce a trade involving Jahlil Okafor.

And Denver gave in and included their pick in our Nurkic trade after hearing how close we were to getting Jah.

Guessing Plums was going to Philly?
 
http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18908000

According to Windhorst, Portland and Philly had a conference call scheduled with the league to announce a trade involving Jahlil Okafor.

And Denver gave in and included their pick in our Nurkic trade after hearing how close we were to getting Jah.

Guessing Plums was going to Philly?

I'm really glad that never happened. I still would have loved to get Noel though.
 

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