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Minstrel said:
Sure, when you're clearly proven wrong, just dismiss your way out of the debate. The more important point is that everyone else also understands the game you're playing when you invoke President Obama and falsely question why he didn't do anything.
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Ya gotta admit, no matter how many times @ABM shoots himself in the foot, he keeps coming back for more. The poor guy has to be in a wheelchair by now, considering how many toes he’s already blown off.....but he has “grit”......for whatever that is worth.......
 
Minstrel said:
Sure, when you're clearly proven wrong, just dismiss your way out of the debate. The more important point is that everyone else also understands the game you're playing when you invoke President Obama and falsely question why he didn't do anything.
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Sorry about being so hard on President Obama. What you're saying is, had racist Trump not gotten in the way, George Floyd would be alive today.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Ya gotta admit, no matter how many times @ABM shoots himself in the foot, he keeps coming back for more. The poor guy has to be in a wheelchair by now, considering how many toes he’s already blown off.....but he has “grit”......for whatever that is worth.......
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Yep, sure. Really hurtin' over here. LOL

Dang, it's time to trot out my hero again. For whatever reason, she makes me chuckle....

 
ABM said:
Nice whiff. I've said far more in here than what you're alluding to. But, that's OK
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No. You have repeated the same thing over and over again. You don't support BLM because the prospect of an all out civil rights movement scares you.

It is easy to to look around and say you will go with an organization that kind of supports black lives as long as it absolves white people and the racist system that we live in. That way you can signal that you support black people, but hold onto so called values that were built on a house of lies.

It is not enough to celebrate the few successes and pretend the failures didn't happen. As white men, it is our responsibility to call out and to own the past atrocities committed by the white men that came before us, by a declaration that has failed to value all life equally as it was intended. For we have benefited from a lopsided racist system, not inclusive to all men (and women) and therefore we are complicit.
 
Oh Boy ABM.

Oh boy....

Damn founders shoulda just walked away too and let an overseas monarchy control everything.....
 
Chris Craig said:
No. You have repeated the same thing over and over again. You don't support BLM because the prospect of an all out civil rights movement scares you.
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It's beginning to look more like anarchy. MLK was a great leader. Who's leading the charge today?
 
ABM said:
Sorry about being so hard on President Obama. What you're saying is, had racist Trump not gotten in the way, George Floyd would be alive today.
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Probably

Regardless, it's not just Trump. It's the racist system that has existed in our country since it's inception. Trump has only magnified and brought to the surface the worst of that systems byproduct.
 
Chris Craig said:
Probably

Regardless, it's not just Trump. It's the racist system that has existed in our country since it's inception.
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And BLM is fixing all of that....since 2013. Got it.
 
ABM said:
Yep, sure. Really hurtin' over here. LOL

Dang, it's time to trot out my hero again. For whatever reason, she makes me chuckle....

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Dude, you and I are very close in age. We went through this shit 50+ years ago. Why are we going through it again??? Because too many white people have no problem talking the talk. It’s easier than shit. But very few white people (until now) have been willing to walk the walk. All you are doing is trying to make yourself feel better about yourself for doing nothing. Classic “but some of my best friends are black” rationalization to keep from thinking too deeply. Ya wouldn’t want to make your head hurt, now wouldja??
 
ABM said:
Sorry about being so hard on President Obama. What you're saying is, had racist Trump not gotten in the way, George Floyd would be alive today.
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Maybe, maybe not. What I'm saying is that Obama did actually do some helpful, positive things, which "racist Trump" (to use your words) got in the way of.
 
ABM said:
And BLM is fixing all of that....since 2013. Got it.
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Uh huh. Unless everything's solved, BLM is a failure. Meanwhile, everything isn't solved but somehow 1776 Unites isn't a failure. Typical gimmick used by someone who's not debating in good faith--act like "everything solved" is the only litmus test for people you disagree with, but not the people you agree with.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Dude, you and I are very close in age. We went through this shit 50+ years ago. Why are we going through it again??? Because too many white people have no problem talking the talk. It’s easier than shit. But very few white people (until now) have been willing to walk the walk. All you are doing is trying to make yourself feel better about yourself for doing nothing. Classic “but some of my best friends are black” rationalization to keep from thinking too deeply. Ya wouldn’t want to make your head hurt, now wouldja??
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You really don't know me, nor anything about me. Engaging in banter with a bunch of left-thinking cats on a sports message board doesn't get things done in the world. I'm completely comfortable and confident in who I am, and what I believe. I'm rather certain you are, as well. Sure, I can be impetuous and trot out posts I probably shouldn't have. But, so what? After all, again, this is a message board, an entirely left-leaning message board. Nobody's minds are being changed in here. Not yours, not mine. If you think I have nothing to say, move on. HCP did. So did others. No worries.

I just don't believe the BLM movement will be the catalyst to effect change. We shall see.
 
Minstrel said:
Maybe, maybe not. What I'm saying is that Obama did actually do some helpful, positive things, which "racist Trump" (to use your words) got in the way of.
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I put racist in parentheses as it was the term you had used. But, oh, well. Truly, I only invoked Obama's name because when he became President, he had the entire world at his beck and call. This despite challenges from the right. I mean, he had the WHOLE world. It's just that, to me, the longer he was President, the more that flame seemed to wane. I'm sure the same could be said about Trump, as well. LOL (many Presidents, actually)

I can't think of another President in recent memory that had the "real" keys to change. And that's because he's Black. Incredibly unique opportunity.
 
ABM said:
And BLM is fixing all of that....since 2013. Got it.
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The website you won't click on and read actually has links to legislative measures sponsored and/or endorsed by BLM that have passed in individual states. I've even provided links and examples.

But I've told this to you two other times in an effort to have an informed discussion with you.
 
Minstrel said:
Uh huh. Unless everything's solved, BLM is a failure. Meanwhile, everything isn't solved but somehow 1776 Unites isn't a failure. Typical gimmick used by someone who's not debating in good faith--act like "everything solved" is the only litmus test for people you disagree with, but not the people you agree with.
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It's not that Woodson Center isn't doing anything...

https://woodsoncenter.org/our-impact/

1776 Project is relatively new.
 
ABM said:
I put racist in parentheses as it was the term you had used. But, oh, well. Truly, I only invoked Obama's name because when he became President, he had the entire world at his beck and call. This despite challenges from the right. I mean, he had the WHOLE world. It's just that, to me, the longer he was President, the more that flame seemed to wane. I'm sure the same could be said about Trump, as well. LOL (many Presidents, actually)

I can't think of another President in recent memory that had the "real" keys to change. And that's because he's Black. Incredibly unique opportunity.
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What good are the keys if your locked in a cell without a door to use the key?
 
ABM said:
I put racist in parentheses as it was the term you had used. But, oh, well. Truly, I only invoked Obama's name because when he became President, he had the entire world at his beck and call. This despite challenges from the right. I mean, he had the WHOLE world. It's just that, to me, the longer he was President, the more that flame seemed to wane. I'm sure the same could be said about Trump, as well. LOL (many Presidents, actually)

I can't think of another President in recent memory that had the "real" keys to change. And that's because he's Black. Incredibly unique opportunity.
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Perhaps you missed an above response to this or you just ignored it because it didn't fit your position. Obama was screwed over by a republican controlled senate who did everything to stop him from accomplishing anything.

Had the Dems controlled congress there would have been a lot more substantive change under Obama.

The same can't be said for Trump. He had the Republican Senate to kiss his ass since he got in. The only changes he has made are terrible ones that have destroyed our country.

I will say though, at least the country is woke now and real change will begin to happen once Trump is gone.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The website you won't click on and read actually has links to legislative measures sponsored and/or endorsed by BLM that have passed in individual states. I've even provided links and examples.

But I've told this to you two other times in an effort to have an informed discussion with you.
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But 1776 project
 
ABM said:
And BLM is fixing all of that....since 2013. Got it.
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How long do you think it takes to get something done? You think the snap of a finger and poof. Things change?

Lets look at our founders who were voting in their own leaders and how long it took them to make changes.

Now if some of the BLM leaders were our governmental leader,s I think it would happen quicker.

http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classro...entations/timeline/amrev/brittwo/brittwo.html


from here it took another 4 years to get a declaration of independence written and signed.

Not sure what you are looking for..... It seems your posts contradict your own beliefs at times.

And ABM,. I'm telling you this as a supporter of you. I'm not a left winger like you claim this forum is. I agree its mostly left, but even most of the right is disagreeing with you. Do you not see that?
 
Orion Bailey said:
How long do you think it takes to get something done? You think the snap of a finger and poof. Things change?

Lets look at our founders who were voting in their own leaders and how long it took them to make changes.

Now if some of the BLM leaders were our governmental leader,s I think it would happen quicker.

http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classro...entations/timeline/amrev/brittwo/brittwo.html


from here it took another 4 years to get a declaration of independence written and signed.

Not sure what you are looking for..... It seems your posts contradict your own beliefs at times.

And ABM,. I'm telling you this as a supporter of you. I'm not a left winger like you claim this forum is. I agree its mostly left, but even most of the right is disagreeing with you. Do you not see that?
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Yes, true change can take years, decades, or even centuries to take place. It has taken the last 60 years for basic civil rights change to take place.

I think BLM will help accelerate change
 
Chris Craig said:
Yes, true change can take years, decades, or even centuries to take place. It has taken the last 60 years for basic civil rights change to take place.

I think BLM will help accelerate change
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100%.

The funny thing is BLM is around because the changes have not happened fast enough. Now I do believe true change takes real time and BLM is also expecting too much too quick.

Ao I find it funny when people say. they have had thier time and havent made change. But then expect immediate change while knowing history has proven change doesnt work that way. So IF BLM doesnt make changes NOW. They failed...


Doesnt make sense to me.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The website you won't click on and read actually has links to legislative measures sponsored and/or endorsed by BLM that have passed in individual states. I've even provided links and examples.

But I've told this to you two other times in an effort to have an informed discussion with you.
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I understand. To be honest, I didn't open the links in each of the states. If you have that handy, re-send. I promise to check those out.

That said, as I had mentioned elsewhere, I don't believe BLM is the be all, end all in all of this. They have detractors and need to be held accountable in their own right:.

While I'm sure you don't like the source here, it does include a number of links.

https://www.influencewatch.org/movement/black-lives-matter/
 
Orion Bailey said:
And ABM,. I'm telling you this as a supporter of you. I'm not a left winger like you claim this forum is. I agree its mostly left, but even most of the right is disagreeing with you. Do you not see that?
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OK, here's your clue, then. Right-to-life is huge on my list and there ain't any dems in support of that. Again, Kasich is my guy and I hope he runs in 2024.
 
ABM said:
Oooooh, good one, O!
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I'm only responding in kind. You claimed he had the keys for change, but a key only works if there is a lock available to unlock and open a door does it not? Did not Congress hide the locks that Obama could have unlocked with his keys?
So you saying good one... well its in response to your post.

Its not a good one. Its the equivalent response to your response.

How many times are you going to ignore this?

I think i'm the third or fourth person to point out to you the president can only make changes if congress works with them?
 
ABM said:
I understand. To be honest, I didn't open the links in each of the states. If you have that handy, re-send. I promise to check those out.

That said, as I had mentioned elsewhere, I don't believe BLM is the be all, end all in all of this. They have detractors and need to be held accountable in their own right:.

While I'm sure you don't like the source here, it does include a number of links.

https://www.influencewatch.org/movement/black-lives-matter/
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Again, more from this group from you. https://capitalresearch.org/

It's interesting how much you support this group and trumpet their views while claiming you don't.

https://www.influencewatch.org/about-us/
 
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