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Reading these trade grades was a little sobering for me. B's and a C for Blazers. A's and a B for Miami. Here is one quote: "he’s incapable of defending well in space, and that drop coverage Portland may employ against pick-and-roll action will be even worse. Whiteside wants to live at the rim on defense and deter shots. Teams love to attack him in these situations because they know they can get clean look after clean look when they pull up short of trying to score at the rim. For a team like Portland, this could end up shredding their defense or force CJ McCollum and Lillard to keep improving at navigating screens on the perimeter."
https://www.blazersedge.com/2019/7/...side-blazers-heat-meyers-leonard-moe-harkless
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Reading these trade grades was a little sobering for me. B's and a C for Blazers. A's and a B for Miami. Here is one quote: "he’s incapable of defending well in space, and that drop coverage Portland may employ against pick-and-roll action will be even worse. Whiteside wants to live at the rim on defense and deter shots. Teams love to attack him in these situations because they know they can get clean look after clean look when they pull up short of trying to score at the rim. For a team like Portland, this could end up shredding their defense or force CJ McCollum and Lillard to keep improving at navigating screens on the perimeter."
https://www.blazersedge.com/2019/7/...side-blazers-heat-meyers-leonard-moe-harkless
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That's the defense Stotts plays anyway, so what difference does it make? Nurkic doesn't run out to the shooters, he waits at the hoop, unless it's his own guy.
 
blazerfan11 said:
That's the defense Stotts plays anyway, so what difference does it make? Nurkic doesn't run out to the shooters, he waits at the hoop, unless it's his own guy.
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Yeh, I think one of the other guys doing the grading felt that way.
 
blazerfan11 said:
That's the defense Stotts plays anyway, so what difference does it make? Nurkic doesn't run out to the shooters, he waits at the hoop, unless it's his own guy.
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I think the point is that Nurkic does move out a bit to stop floaters in the point. Whiteside has been known to hang at the rim and not stop floaters.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Reading these trade grades was a little sobering for me. B's and a C for Blazers. A's and a B for Miami. Here is one quote: "he’s incapable of defending well in space, and that drop coverage Portland may employ against pick-and-roll action will be even worse. Whiteside wants to live at the rim on defense and deter shots. Teams love to attack him in these situations because they know they can get clean look after clean look when they pull up short of trying to score at the rim. For a team like Portland, this could end up shredding their defense or force CJ McCollum and Lillard to keep improving at navigating screens on the perimeter."
https://www.blazersedge.com/2019/7/...side-blazers-heat-meyers-leonard-moe-harkless
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Pretty stupid review as the alternative was to start Leonard and he is one of the worst defenders as a center in the league so Whiteside would be a huge upgrade defensively and rebounding.
 
TBpup said:
If it were only one game, no one would really have an issue with it. There have been many other equally head-scratching moves that are very reasonable to at least question. Also, even if it was just one game (which hasn't been the case) WHY IN THE NAME OF BILL SCHONELY would a coach ever design that type of game plan? That doesn't seem out of the realm of objectivity to ask.
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So what if there are some headscratching decisions? Every coach does.

You seem to set baseline expectations at perfection and any headscratching decision should result in being fired.

Try looking at the total body of work and team success, given the talent level, instead of cherry picking negative data points.
 
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Blazer509 said:
I’m actually shocked anyone thinks Miami won this trade. Perhaps we’re living in a bubble?
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The rich man’s JJ Hickson comparison is what scares me. I still take the chance because the upside is so much greater than the downside.

And you know that Olshey’s team really looked into the fit.
 
JDC said:
I think it's a deal the helps both sides.

They really like Bam and Whiteside had become a bit of a malcontent.

Portland has loaded up on wings and needed a big that could hold serve while Nurk gets heatlhy.
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Yep!
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Palm Beach Post columnist Tom D'Angelo on 620am this morning absolutely trashing Whiteside. "He was lazy, he's immature, he only cares about his stats, Heat fans are going to boo him mercilessly, they'd have given him away for nothing..." Also saying that there's a chance that we could get peak Whiteside for 4 months, maybe if he holds a grudge against Miami and wants to show them what they're missing. Specifically told stories about Hassan checking stat sheets after losses and coming out saying "I did my job".
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>That would be as cool as Babe Ruth going to the Yankees from Boston .
Yea.......Portland is like the 70's Raiders with "distinct" players who resurrect themselves by being in a totally different environment. Who knows. The city coffee houses could intrigue the young man. Miami is made for sin.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Reading these trade grades was a little sobering for me. B's and a C for Blazers. A's and a B for Miami. Here is one quote: "he’s incapable of defending well in space, and that drop coverage Portland may employ against pick-and-roll action will be even worse. Whiteside wants to live at the rim on defense and deter shots. Teams love to attack him in these situations because they know they can get clean look after clean look when they pull up short of trying to score at the rim. For a team like Portland, this could end up shredding their defense or force CJ McCollum and Lillard to keep improving at navigating screens on the perimeter."
https://www.blazersedge.com/2019/7/...side-blazers-heat-meyers-leonard-moe-harkless
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People were saying way worse things about Kanter's defense. Whiteside will be fine.
 
I'm not concerned at all.

Go back and watch that video of him reacting to the trade. The guy is fucking pumped. He has been on a shit team for years. He's a good player. We are so lucky to have him until Nurk comes back. This makes it so that we can still have a great start to the season. This was a masterful trade and anyone who thinks otherwise is questionable at best.
 
blazerboy30 said:
So what if there are some headscratching decisions? Every coach does.

You seem to set baseline expectations at perfection and any headscratching decision should result in being fired.

Try looking at the total body of work and team success, given the talent level, instead of cherry picking negative data points.
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Perfection? Please let me know where ANYONE mention anything about perfection or anything close to it. As for body of work, I take his entire body of work into consideration. Like a grand total of 20 playoff wins in 11 years as a head coach. 4 of those wins are courtesy of Simons going nuts against SAC or the Blazers would have played the Warriors in the 2nd round this year. 11 years....20 wins. Not sure how much more body of work someone wants.
 
I think this will be the strongest test the Blazers “culture” will see. I know most people had their issues with ET, Moe, ML, and Aminu but they were all young, they all bought in and they all said yes we will fall in line, we will let Dame lead, when things go bad we will trust him.

This year will be the strongest test the team faces in regards to that. Bazemore is an older player, Whiteside is an older player that Miami fans are ecstatic to be rid of. I know Portlands been the “reclamation group” for several players the last few years but this feels different to me. Its not a bunch of young guys trying to figure out there way in the NBA its older guys on expiring deals who want their last payday.

Im not saying it’s going to fail, Im just saying I think its going to be very interesting how things pan out, because I think many of us assume oh guys come here get ingrained in the culture and love it, but the culture will probably change, guys like ML and ET and Aminu part of their role was to ease guys into the culture to befriend new players and support them.

Talent wise I think our roster looks much better, but its going to be a much different year with so many new faces and some old ones who were frustrating on the court but good off the court.
 
TBpup said:
Perfection? Please let me know where ANYONE mention anything about perfection or anything close to it. As for body of work, I take his entire body of work into consideration. Like a grand total of 20 playoff wins in 11 years as a head coach.
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You're already contradicting yourself. You can't claim to use his entire body of work and say that is 20 playoff wins.

TBpup said:
4 of those wins are courtesy of Simons going nuts against SAC or the Blazers would have played the Warriors in the 2nd round this year.
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Now you're speculating on "what-ifs" and using that against Stotts. That's the definition of not looking at his total performance and body of work.

TBpup said:
11 years....20 wins. Not sure how much more body of work someone wants.
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This is an incredible misrepresentation. Most "experts" and posters on here continually predict the Blazers missing the playoffs based on their talent level. And they are continually wrong, and we've finished 3rd the last two seasons. Stotts is a big part of that.

And since I already know what your lame response will be, let me cut you off. If we won in spite of Stotts and because of Lillard, then Lillard should get the blame for lack of playoff wins.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I think this will be the strongest test the Blazers “culture” will see. I know most people had their issues with ET, Moe, ML, and Aminu but they were all young, they all bought in and they all said yes we will fall in line, we will let Dame lead, when things go bad we will trust him.

This year will be the strongest test the team faces in regards to that. Bazemore is an older player, Whiteside is an older player that Miami fans are ecstatic to be rid of. I know Portlands been the “reclamation group” for several players the last few years but this feels different to me. Its not a bunch of young guys trying to figure out there way in the NBA its older guys on expiring deals who want their last payday.

Im not saying it’s going to fail, Im just saying I think its going to be very interesting how things pan out, because I think many of us assume oh guys come here get ingrained in the culture and love it, but the culture will probably change, guys like ML and ET and Aminu part of their role was to ease guys into the culture to befriend new players and support them.

Talent wise I think our roster looks much better, but its going to be a much different year with so many new faces and some old ones who were frustrating on the court but good off the court.
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Miami fans are pissed because their team overpaid to keep a guy on a team that they never should have kept. It made no sense at the time. They were paying him star money but he's not the kind of player that can carry a team. He was at his best when Wade and Bosh were still there. Wade left and it was up to him to carry the team, which he's just not that kind of player.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Miami fans are pissed because their team overpaid to keep a guy on a team that they never should have kept. It made no sense at the time. They were paying him star money but he's not the kind of player that can carry a team. He was at his best when Wade and Bosh were still there. Wade left and it was up to him to carry the team, which he's just not that kind of player.
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Ive spoken to a few Miami fans and no they’re pissed because they thought Whiteside chased stats (blocks) instead of playing good defense. They thought he would pout when he didnt get his way, and they thought he only played hard when he felt like it. Some of those things have been said about other guys Portland has brought in. Im in favor of the move dont get me wrong, I just think this year will be a very interesting test for the Blazer culture. Its not a 23 year old that hasnt been paid before, its a 30 year old who’s got his money.
 
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