Who's Better - Today's Stars or Yesteryear's Stars?

[Nate]

Consensus can be a result of group-think, but that's not the only path to consensus. What we consider to be fact today is nothing more than consensus. If new information that refutes those facts is discovered, and if there is consensus that the new information is correct, then our reality changes and we operate under a new set of facts.
We build our reality every day through consensus. Reality as we know it is a human construct, it is not an absolute and it is not static.

i was just trying to give an example of why consensus is not reality... It used to be the consensus that minorities were less than whites in America. Was that true? It was the consensus that Jews should be eradicated. It was consensus that we should send rangers to rock climb into Cuba.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Lost again...

 

[Nate]

Huh? WTF dude? its opinions and you wanna call people idiots? Some of those names you listed are not todays stars.. hows that for smarts. Nash? He was yseteryear. ANY IDIOT knows that.....

some more names on your list Mutombos last game was when?

Wake the fuck up before you start tossing insults out there with your OPINION based on incorrect eras of players.


Again WTF?

I said that if you wanna deny logic, you're an idiot. You can take that how you want.

 

[Orion Bailey]

And Again...

 

[Orion Bailey]

Im a loser....

 

[noknobs]

Thanks for being the first to take a stab at listing today's stars! Here's how I'd break them out:

LBJ
Wade

Curry
Dirk
KD*
Westbrook*
CP3*

Thompson
Cousins
Harden
Howard
Lillard
Horford
Bosh
Jordan
Drummond**

Let me get this straight. Your original list includes the likes of Steve Kerr as a third tier player, who never averaged over 8.6 ppg or 3.2 apg, and you're somehow equating that to your list of current 3rd tier players like Cousins or Lillard or Harden? Are you insane?

Uhhhh...these guys are all retired, genius.

Dude... you listed McHale who'd been retired like 3 or 4 years before guys like Marbury even got into the league. A little hypocritical are we? If you want to compare this current year to 20-25 years of basketball then yeah, those 20-25 years could probably field a better team... not exactly apples to apples though.

 

[Nate]

So you're trying the compare every hall of famer from the 70's through the late 90's, to just people playing this year??? Really?

 

[Nate]

Nash literally just retired lol.

 

[Nate]

I have an opinion that people are not born inherently less talented at basketball, than people born 60 years ago. Yes.

 

[Orion Bailey]

For thinking I can debate with logic.

 

[Nate]

Nice try. Yeah. That's what I said and the players of today I listed were all rookies two years ago. Uh huh. You wanna try again to make your opinion out as a fact and everyone else's opinion is idiotic?

Are you even listening to yourself?...
I'm done with you unless you can be rational in your discussion, because you are obviously not. It is shown in your want to toss insults out there to those who disagree with you....

For the record, Mutombo has been retired for 7 years. How they hell is he a player of today? He was a 90's-00's era player. That's when he had his best years.

So trying to be rational. What is an era? A decade?

Shouldnt this be defined first before be bash each other for this shit. Geez....

I would assume anything after the 80's/90's???

 

[Orion Bailey]

The 80's were an era....
Magic, Bird, Irving ectc.

The 90's were an era... Jordan, Barkley, Hakeem, Kemp, Payton, etc.

the 00's were an era. Kobe, Shaq, Mourning, Nash, etc.

The 10's are an era, Curry, Howard, LBJ, etc.


That's how I view it anyhow.

I will still take the 90's against any other decade.

 

[Nate]

My opinion is fact. People are not born less talented today.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Im a troll

 

[Nate]

The 80's were an era....
Magic, Bird, Irving ectc.

The 90's were an era... Jordan, Barkley, Hakeem, Kemp, Payton, etc.

the 00's were an era. Kobe, Shaq, Mourning, Nash, etc.

The 10's are an era, Curry, Howard, LBJ, etc.


That's how I view it anyhow.

I will still take the 90's against any other decade.

And that's fine. But don't try to say that people are less talented today. That makes no sense.

 

[Nate]

And that's why no one is going to take you seriously and basically think of you as a troll. Good luck with that stubborness....

Show me the science that proves people today are born less talented at a man made sport.

 

[Orion Bailey]

That lives in a hole...

 

[Nate]

I can try to say whatever the hell I want. Its my opinion. Just like yours is yours, but you didn't read anyone else calling you an idiot for having your opinion until you decided to right?

Again, GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE WITH THAT GRADESCHOOL SHIT.....

I said that if you deny logic you're an idiot. If you think you're not denying logic, then I guess that doesn't apply to you.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Under an abandoned bridge

 

[Denny Crane]

So is yours... Do you guys really not understand that?

Do you not understand that just deny, deny, deny isn't a rational or reasoned argument?

When there is not a viable scientific means of comparing the players, I'll take the consensus of the professionals who rank them. And that happens to agree with me

 

[Denny Crane]

Group think leads to a consensus. Do you understand that? And group think is fed by fear. In this case, a fear of change.

Another baseless assertion. Fear of change? WTF.

Too funny

 

[Orion Bailey]

Do you not understand that just deny, deny, deny isn't a rational or reasoned argument?

When there is not a viable scientific means of comparing the players, I'll take the consensus of the professionals who rank them. And that happens to agree with me

But that makes you an idiot because you are denying Nates... ummm Logic?

LMAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Denny Crane]

Care to slot the missing players into tiers so I can add them to the list?

All/any would be 1st or 2nd in the MVP voting this year.

 

[Nate]

I can try to say whatever the hell I want. Its my opinion. Just like yours is yours, but you didn't read anyone else calling you an idiot for having your opinion until you decided to right?

Again, GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE WITH THAT GRADESCHOOL SHIT.....

After you show me the science to prove that people were born more talented 60 years ago, can you show the science proving that Jews are born cheap, or Asian kids are born good at math? Thanks.

 

[Nate]

Show me evidence they are born more talented. Oh you don't have any? Are you really a 20/blind person? Meaning you only see what you want and are blind to the other side of things? Hmmm can we fucking end this then?


Man, some people just don't get it...

I'm not saying they are born more talented today. I'm not saying anyone is better today than they were 30 years ago. I'm just saying they aren't less talented today.

 

[Denny Crane]

My opinion is fact.

Literally an oxymoron.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm not saying they are born more talented today. I'm not saying anyone is better today than they were 30 years ago. I'm just saying they aren't less talented today.

That's a strawman.

Nobody's arguing about talent. Just how the quality and distribution of the talent and how skilled that talent is at fundamentals of basketball.

 

[Nate]

Literally an oxymoron.

Nope.

 

[Nate]

That's a strawman.

Nobody's arguing about talent. Just how the quality and distribution of the talent and how skilled that talent is at fundamentals of basketball.

That has literally been what people are saying.....

 

[Denny Crane]

Nope.

There's that denial thing again.

Where's the logic? LOL