Notice Who's The Biggest Problem??

[Gronk Brady]

And just like any winning and losing streak they come to an end. I see people on here wanting Paul Allen to sell the team, fire Olshey, fire Stotts, trade Lillard, trade McCollum, don't resign Nurkic or Davis . Do you agree with all that? Would you be okay with a possibility of multiple years in the lottery?

Yes... this team as constructed has no hope and has maximized it’s potential... with Dame and CJ going to be 28 and 27 years old, they are what they are... no drastic change will happen to catapault them into contender status... you can only make excuses for so long.... not saying everything you listed above is a solution, just saying THAT DOING NOTHING IS DEFINITELY NOT A SOLUTION... SOMEONE HAS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR UTTER FAILURE IN PLAYOFFS... personally I would trade CJ... but firing Stotts or firing Neil is ok with me too... I just want some accountability... I’m not ok with no one taking any blame and going into next season with same roster with a couple minor additions, same coach AND same GM

And yes, I would rather watch a lotto team with hope of future greatness, than Dame/CJ ISO ball with no hope

 

[CupWizier]

Yes... this team as constructed has no hope and has maximized it’s potential... with Dame and CJ going to be 28 and 27 years old, they are what they are... no drastic change will happen to catapault them into contender status... you can only make excuses for so long.... not saying everything you listed above is a solution, just saying THAT DOING NOTHING IS DEFINITELY NOT A SOLUTION... SOMEONE HAS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR UTTER FAILURE IN PLAYOFFS... personally I would trade CJ... but firing Stotts or firing Neil is ok with me too... I just want some accountability... I’m not ok with no one taking any blame and going into next season with same roster with a couple minor additions

Didn't Olshey say he will be looking at changes that can be made to improve the team? I also assume you never found that post where you claimed I said the 13 game winning streak will happen again. I would appreciate you apologizing for making a false claim.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Didn't Olshey say he will be looking at changes that can be made to improve the team?

He is a con artist... no change can happen without making CJ available... we have no other tradable assets that will bring back a difference maker besides Collins... and it would be extremely foolish to give up on Collins to go all in on Dame/CJ

 

[CupWizier]

And yes, I would rather watch a lotto team with hope of future greatness, than Dame/CJ ISO ball with no hope

Sacramento called, they want fans like you.

 

[CupWizier]

He is a con artist... no change can happen without making CJ available... we have no other tradable assets that will bring back a difference maker besides Collins... and it would be extremely foolish to give up on Collins to go all in on Dame/CJ

and once again, you are projecting your opinion as a fact. So you wouldn't include Collins in a deal if it would bring back a difference maker? You don't think Harkless or Aminu have any value? I get the impression that you think your opinion is the only one that counts.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Sacramento called, they want fans like you.

Now you are making assumptions that every GM will draft like Sacramento... oh and Philly called, they want to know how you like them now... trust the process

 

[Gronk Brady]

and once again, you are projecting your opinion as a fact. So you wouldn't include Collins in a deal if it would bring back a difference maker? You don't think Harkless or Aminu have any value? I get the impression that you think your opinion is the only one that counts.

You think Harkless and Aminu are gonna bring back a player in trade that is gonna change the dynamic of this team and take it to next level?! Hahahahahaha

 

[Gronk Brady]

and once again, you are projecting your opinion as a fact. So you wouldn't include Collins in a deal if it would bring back a difference maker? You don't think Harkless or Aminu have any value? I get the impression that you think your opinion is the only one that counts.

It’s not my opinion bro, it’s the sad reality that Neil put us into... we will be above the luxury tax line... no free agents coming to save the day... trading player other than Dame/CJ will not change dynamic of this team... we will still have 2 undersized ISO players over dribbling and taking half the shots... no star player is coming in for Harkless and Aminu... not a roster worth going into luxury tax far... Trading CJ is only way to balance roster and play more of a team game

 

[CupWizier]

You think Harkless and Aminu are gonna bring back a player in trade that is gonna change the dynamic of this team and take it to next level?! Hahahahahaha

There you go again taking things out of context. I never said individually, but a combination deal of assets could. What do you think a future first and Aminu could bring back? Toss in Collins and what could that bring back?Nurkic was acquired for Plumlee and we got a first round pick to boot and he was a difference maker

 

[Orion Bailey]

Really? Please find that post where I said that 13 game winning streak would happen again. It appears you are making a false claim as to what I have said. Let's stick to the truth. I find it confusing how one can just totally dismiss a fact that we won 13 games in a row. That would be not accepting reality.

Also, can you tell me what our record was before the winning streak? If you want to remove our winning streak can we also take away any losing streaks as well? Can't just have it one way.

Cup, What is not accepting reality is within that 13 win streak, most teams were without there first and or second best player.
I will break it down for you this weekend game by game on that winning streak.

If you want to flip the switch on our losing streak, then you would need ot assess during our games we lost more than one in a row, what players on our roster were out. Were they the top players on our roster? Dame? CJ? Nurk?

Again, I will break it all down for you, but you thinking that a win streak is black and white and there cant be asterisks or stipulations, is not being realistic. AT all.

 

[Orion Bailey]

And just like any winning and losing streak they come to an end. I see people on here wanting Paul Allen to sell the team, fire Olshey, fire Stotts, trade Lillard, trade McCollum, don't resign Nurkic or Davis . Do you agree with all that? Would you be okay with a possibility of multiple years in the lottery?

Who said they want Paul Allen to sell the team? I haven't sen it and I read most posts. If I missed one post from one member that they want Paul to sell the team then you are really grasping for straws man.

 

[CupWizier]

It’s not my opinion bro, it’s the sad reality that Neil put us into... we will be above the luxury tax line... no free agents coming to save the day... trading player other than Dame/CJ will not change dynamic of this team... we will still have 2 undersized ISO players over dribbling and taking half the shots... no star player is coming in for Harkless and Aminu... not a roster worth going into luxury tax far... Trading CJ is only way to balance roster and play more of a team game

That is still an opinion and not a fact. I guess we should just agree to disagree and move on.

 

[CupWizier]

Who said they want Paul Allen to sell the team? I haven't sen it and I read most posts. If I missed one post from one member that they want Paul to sell the team then you are really grasping for straws man.

maris61 just mentioned it today and I was just summarizing some of the different things that posters have said they want and my main point of that is that several posters want different things and they all think they are right. I wasn't grasping for anything.

 

[Orion Bailey]

maris61 just mentioned it today and I was just summarizing some of the different things that posters have said they want and my main point of that is that several posters want different things and they all think they are right. I wasn't grasping for anything.

You are tossing yourself in that mix too though right? About thinking you are right about the team not needing improvements to anything other than internal development?

You are basing your OPINION of the team off of the season and how it went. So is everyone else. You are no more right than they are wrong.

 

[CupWizier]

Cup, What is not accepting reality is within that 13 win streak, most teams were without there first and or second best player.
I will break it down for you this weekend game by game on that winning streak.

If you want to flip the switch on our losing streak, then you would need ot assess during our games we lost more than one in a row, what players on our roster were out. Were they the top players on our roster? Dame? CJ? Nurk?

Again, I will break it all down for you, but you thinking that a win streak is black and white and there cant be asterisks or stipulations, is not being realistic. AT all.

Unless you are going to break down every team and every win a team has when others were missing key players it really won't mean much to me. Before the streak the break we were 31-26. Not near as doom and gloom as some seem to think it was. That would project out to 45 wins. Sure, not good enough for the playoffs, but within playoff contention and an improvement over last year and one game below my 46-48 prediction. All the teams in the east played Boston 4 times with one of their best players going down first game of the season. Should the east have an asterisk in front of it? I see posters all the time never giving the Blazers the benefit when they lose to teams and have had injured players so why is it okay to discount wins when we have the advantage. It really isn't that important to me to have the winning streak broken down and will take considerable time so if you are doing it for me, it really won't be necessary. It is what it is as you can never predict a result based on a player or two missing as teams often step up in adversity. You still step on the floor and play the game and the results are what they are.

 

[CupWizier]

You are tossing yourself in that mix too though right? About thinking you are right about the team not needing improvements to anything other than internal development?

You are basing your OPINION of the team off of the season and how it went. So is everyone else. You are no more right than they are wrong.

And you would be wrong. I have NEVER said the team should not make changes. I'm just not one to pretend I know what should be done. I'm simply a fan, and like Davis said, I'm not the GM. Call that a cop out if you want but that's just how I feel.

 

[Strenuus]

lol. There are so many pots calling kettles black in here.

 

[dviss1]

Stotts. We have talent.

No we don't. We have 2.5 players. That's it.

 

[dviss1]

I knew someone would quote Stotts stats. Did you see where I said that the Stotts system requires a lot of ill-advised, heroball shots? Percentages would change.

Fallacy.

Just because you see those doesn't mean the offense requires them.

 

[tlongII]

No we don't. We have 2.5 players. That's it.

Lillard, McCollum, Nurk, and Collins are fine for the core of the team.

 

[Lanny]

Lol. Theres two problems. Stotts and olshey.

Theyve been a problem for years. Losing 10 straight playoffs games isnt an over-reaction, its a pattern.

It's only a pattern if you have enough statistics to support your conclusion which we don't have. 60% of those losses were to one very very hot team. The other four were to another single team.

 

[Strenuus]

It's only a pattern if you have enough statistics to support your conclusion which we don't have. 60% of those losses were to one very very hot team. The other four were to another single team.

You probably don't want to delve into the stats of those 10 losses...

I do like the excuses, though.

 

[Lanny]

You probably don't want to delve into the stats of those 10 losses...

I do like the excuses, though.

I've studied stats and know a thing or two about them. Your small sample size is simply near meaningless. You've gotta come up with some other facts to examine rather then that flimsy excuse.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Unless you are going to break down every team and every win a team has when others were missing key players it really won't mean much to me. Before the streak the break we were 31-26. Not near as doom and gloom as some seem to think it was. That would project out to 45 wins. Sure, not good enough for the playoffs, but within playoff contention and an improvement over last year and one game below my 46-48 prediction. All the teams in the east played Boston 4 times with one of their best players going down first game of the season. Should the east have an asterisk in front of it? I see posters all the time never giving the Blazers the benefit when they lose to teams and have had injured players so why is it okay to discount wins when we have the advantage. It really isn't that important to me to have the winning streak broken down and will take considerable time so if you are doing it for me, it really won't be necessary. It is what it is as you can never predict a result based on a player or two missing as teams often step up in adversity. You still step on the floor and play the game and the results are what they are.

Fair enough

 

[Gronk Brady]

I've studied stats and know a thing or two about them. Your small sample size is simply near meaningless. You've gotta come up with some other facts to examine rather then that flimsy excuse.

So similar to your small sample size of the 13 game win streak you use to declare the season a success... when the fact is we were 36-37 outside of that streak... a below .500 record in a 73 game sample size. The win streak is more of an outlier than playoff games you have time to plan for and adjust to

 

[Orion Bailey]

And you would be wrong. I have NEVER said the team should not make changes. I'm just not one to pretend I know what should be done. I'm simply a fan, and like Davis said, I'm not the GM. Call that a cop out if you want but that's just how I feel.

Oh come on man. We are here to discuss the blazers in all aspects. Not just the ones you feel should be or shouldnt be discussed.

Thats fine if you dont want to discuss ideas, thoughts, rights, wrongs and how to improve this team, but some of us like to discuss the possible scenarios.
The coulda woulda shoulda’s.

You dont need to be condescending to those of us that do just because you dont. Just move on.

 

[Strenuus]

I've studied stats and know a thing or two about them. Your small sample size is simply near meaningless. You've gotta come up with some other facts to examine rather then that flimsy excuse.

10 and 13 are both rather small sample sizes.

So should we look at the wildly inconsistent larger sample size, then?

 

[borim69]

Ok I went for Stotts. Not that I think that he is the total problem he is just not the coach for this roster. It looks like we are pretty much stuck with the roster we have minus a few we cant keep do to the bloated contract of Turner which would not be a problem if he was worth his pay. So that poses a problem we either gut the team to lose all our bad contracts and stars which still would be hard given Turners contract or go with another coach to play these guys differently less hero ball etc. Personally I think we should take a style from Popovich's playbook and bring CJ off the bench much the way Manu was used. To be honest we only have 3 starters on this team the rest is bench material unless someone emerges. Aminu and Hark are borderline, when they are on they are good, but they are off more then on.
Anyways those are my 2 cents

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Who didn't trade Aldridge? Oh yeah, that guy. I think he's the biggest problem.

 

[CupWizier]

Oh come on man. We are here to discuss the blazers in all aspects. Not just the ones you feel should be or shouldnt be discussed.

Thats fine if you dont want to discuss ideas, thoughts, rights, wrongs and how to improve this team, but some of us like to discuss the possible scenarios.
The coulda woulda shoulda’s.

You dont need to be condescending to those of us that do just because you dont. Just move on.

It wasn't meant as condescending as I was simply saying I don't really get into it as much as others do. There are just way too many variables to me. Some like to make win loss predictions as well while others don't. No big deal one way or the other.