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Pinwheel1 said:
No, No, and fucking NO! I like Anderson, but Little has way too much potential. I want to see another year of him first. I admit he could still be a bust, but I love his size and athletic ability as a SF. He showed enough glimpses on offense that I would be very wary of giving him away. Hops with a 7'2" wing to go along with a strong build (at still only 21) is a good base to start with.
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This.

His benching was completely unwarranted last year-- he was always at the right place at the right time and had shown a great amount of skill for someone who was labeled as raw. He contributed positively every minute that he played even while getting jerked around in the rotation from our idiot coach. Can't wait to see what Chauncey does with him.
 
tykendo said:
Fuck That! Nurk is vital to this team achieving the goal. I'm not trading Nurk & CJ for a malcontent.
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A guy that's never once been a "malcontent" until his head coach and co-star turned on him isn't really a good example of the term. He's let that team switch his role over and over again and never complained. The fact is that he's made an all nba team, he's one of the best defenders in the league and he is a 6'11" athletic freak of nature who has a nice handle, can find the open man and get to the hoop at will.

Nurk is a good passer for a big and continues to refuse to finish strong around the hoop... that's not in one series like what Simmons did, that's all of the time that Nurk throws up that weak shit. If I can get a 25 year old all nba player for CJ and Nurk... I'd do it in a heartbeat. And the thing is, I think it could get done.
 
I like Nas, but his weaknesses are BBIQ and general skills. He's sort of the bizarro version of SloMo. And he's always injured.
But as we're NOT going to get SloMo, and the team is obviously committed to Nas (they liked him enough not to make him play Summer League) we'll get to see how good he is this season.
 
tykendo said:
Maybe he's looking for redemption too. Melo was thought to be toast, got in the best shape of his life, and was a pleasant surprise. You can't teach clutch shooting.
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Melo wasn't physically toast, as it is with Love. His problem was mental. He still thought he was a superstar and teams didn't want to deal with him. His style of play was also a relic of the past, utilizing mostly post ups and mid range shots.

Love just looks completely washed at this point. It could be that he's physically not capable of being an NBA player anymore, or he's just lost all motivation, but if you watched him on the Olympic team, he was completely worthless out there.

This is what Jerry Colangelo said after he got cut from the team:

“I didn’t think Kevin Love was gonna play. I wasn’t even sure he had much left to play. He reached out to us and said he was in shape and said he felt he owed us. And on the basis of that, we’re looking at someone with international experience who at one time was a heck of a rebounder and could still shoot the ball. You know, being like a 12th man on a roster. Well, it didn’t work out. He wasn’t in shape. And he was way behind as it turned out. So you move on. Call it a mistake. Call it giving someone an opportunity. Someone who had equity with us. Guys who play for us get a little plus.”
 
illmatic99 said:
And Melo was nothing more than a warm body who didn't contribute one bit in the playoffs. And we then deviated from our crucial development minutes for Nas to play his broke ass so he could climb up the scoring list. "Guardians of his legacy..." What nonsense-- since when did we become the franchise for reclamation projects? Let some other team deal with Love.
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Nas has potential but I think he's way overhyped over one 30 pt game....I've followed his work out film from this summer and he's not all that special after watching him go one on one with a guy a foot shorter than him...he tends to slump...forces some shots and doesn' t get into a guy's grill when defending...he's young but he couldn't tie Melo's shoes on a basketball court yet....give him time...fine to not like Melo but Melo is better than Nas on a lot of levels so far...Nas has the motor but not the driving skills....he'll get there...the kid is really, really young and his handles leave a lot to be desired..so does his ability to make a tough contested shot...Melo makes those look easy. I'm hoping Roy Rogers gets Nas to the next level..I really hope Nas makes the leap this season but he has still got a big leap to make
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I bet I've got more. I raise you Travis Outlaw, you bring up Petrovic, I counter with Telfair...
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Yeah, you could come up with more. But I guarantee mine are more painful for the teams that gave up too soon. I am not saying Little is untouchable, but the player we get back needs to be an actual needle mover. Draft picks are often busts because teams are gambling on those high-risk/high ceiling players. Little was a good pick by Neil based on where he was chosen.

Chauncey will see him in practice. He will influence the choice of whether or not to give up on him. We fans have only gotten glimpses so it is hard to say for sure. But man if he can hit that 3-ball like he did early last season....it will open up his whole game driving to the basket. I am excited to see him play. Plus he is versatile on D. I am hoping for a Jerome Kersey effect when he finally got his chance to start. Great rebounding from the SF spot.
 
riverman said:
Nas has potential but I think he's way overhyped over one 30 pt game....I've followed his work out film from this summer and he's not all that special after watching him go one on one with a guy a foot shorter than him...he tends to slump...forces some shots and doesn' t get into a guy's grill when defending...he's young but he couldn't tie Melo's shoes on a basketball court yet....give him time...fine to not like Melo but Melo is better than Nas on a lot of levels so far...Nas has the motor but not the driving skills....he'll get there...the kid is really, really young and his handles leave a lot to be desired..so does his ability to make a tough contested shot...Melo makes those look easy. I'm hoping Roy Rogers gets Nas to the next level..I really hope Nas makes the leap this season but he has still got a big leap to make
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My intrigue in him has more to do than just his game in Milwaukee when we were down 30 the whole night.

I don't care one bit about his ability to score in isolation. It has all to do with his ability to defend, rebound, slash, hit wide open threes, and finish at the rim with power. He is going to be in the mold of someone like Mikal Bridges, Dorian Finney-Smith, OG Anunoby, and the like. And from all the pictures this summer, I think he's grown an inch or so since we last saw him.
 
illmatic99 said:
My intrigue in him has more to do than just his game in Milwaukee when we were down 30 the whole night.

I don't care one bit about his ability to score in isolation. It has all to do with his ability to defend, rebound, slash, hit wide open threes, and finish at the rim with power. He is going to be in the mold of someone like Mikal Bridges, Dorian Finney-Smith, OG Anunoby, and the like. And from all the pictures this summer, I think he's grown an inch or so since we last saw him.
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I watched him work out yesterday for a couple videos and he's not a great defender at all yet...I hope he gets set on the right path by the new coaching staff....I like him, he's not ready to guard Lebron from what I've seen this summer ...I think people have put him up bit too high on the rotation ladder so far...I'd hope he could get his jumper off over a guy CJ's height at least...he's a bit raw still...I'd love it if he proved me wrong...one on one he goes left everytime...didn't see him move to the right at all...that's easy to game plan against
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
In person? And how can you tell anything about his defense from watching him workout?
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I think he's talking about the 6 minute videos of Little going one on one after his workout with his high school buddy from Florida, Ronoldo Segu (junior at Buffalo). You can glean absolutely nothing from that kinda video, but he wants to make something of it.





I can show plenty of videos of Nas locking up Zion in HS games. BFD.
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
In person? And how can you tell anything about his defense from watching him workout?
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he was playing pickup with a trainer and his friends....what do you mean "in person"? I saw him on youtube...he has a series of workouts one and one and 3 on 3 and full court with his trainer and buddies...it's off season..he could've been stoned, hungover or tired...I'm just saying he didn't look like he's all that hype ...I was a bit disappointed ...as I said...he needs to become a two way player and defend well enough to stay in a game to make the cut..just some old fart perspective to balance the chatter that he's this buried star that hasn't played enough...the great news is that the kid IS in the gym and working on it as we type...that's a good thing
 
illmatic99 said:
I think he's talking about the 6 minute videos of Little going one on one after his workout with his high school buddy from Florida, Ronoldo Segu (junior at Buffalo). You can glean absolutely nothing from that kinda video, but he wants to make something of it.





I can show plenty of videos of Nas locking up Zion in HS games. BFD.
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huh? I'm sure you can but I assumed this was a discussion not a snark contest....jesus dude....I fucking hope I'm wrong from watching him this week...talking about it isn't making shit out of it...its talking about it...come to your own conclusions and cut and paste whatever you like....I come here for discussions, not sparring partners...make your case that he's made the leap this summer, and not in HS...this summer...I'll read it with an open mind..otherwise I don't care to argue
 
illmatic99 said:
I think he's talking about the 6 minute videos of Little going one on one after his workout with his high school buddy from Florida, Ronoldo Segu (junior at Buffalo). You can glean absolutely nothing from that kinda video, but he wants to make something of it.
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I can answer Rasta's questions about my post myself....make something out of that
 
riverman said:
huh? I'm sure you can but I assumed this was a discussion not a snark contest....jesus dude....I fucking hope I'm wrong from watching him this week...talking about it isn't making shit out of it...its talking about it...come to your own conclusions and cut and paste whatever you like....I come here for discussions, not sparring partners...make your case that he's made the leap this summer, and not in HS...this summer...I'll read it with an open mind..otherwise I don't care to argue
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Please enlighten me, what did you learn from the above two videos that you apparently "watched for a couple of hours?" Especially the one where Nas beat the dude in a shutout while taking him to the rim and hitting stepbacks?

Your post made it seem like you were there in person watching him workout.
 
riverman said:
huh? I'm sure you can but I assumed this was a discussion not a snark contest....jesus dude....I fucking hope I'm wrong from watching him this week...talking about it isn't making shit out of it...its talking about it...come to your own conclusions and cut and paste whatever you like....I come here for discussions, not sparring partners...make your case that he's made the leap this summer, and not in HS...this summer...I'll read it with an open mind..otherwise I don't care to argue
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Yeah, I don't think we'll know what kind of progress he's made until we see him in preseason. I won't even trust what I hear coming out of training camp because I've heard our guys hype their young teammates too many times and then seen none of it in games. So I think it's a wait and see situation where no one has a very good argument for where he's at right now.
 
illmatic99 said:
Please enlighten me, what did you learn from the above two videos that you apparently "watched for a couple of hours?"
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I changed the couple hours...that would've been over a week or so...I did that before you mentioned it...I've been following his videos but I've explained what I gleaned from what I saw...I'm not here to convince you of my conclusion....you apparently have already formed one...did you notice how he tends to go left all the time or were you busy thinking about my posting intentions? Did you notice his body language and how much space he gives a shooter to shoot from? It's off season...I don't expect him to be in regular season game shape yet either
 
riverman said:
I changed the couple hours...that would've been over a week or so...I did that before you mentioned it...I've been following his videos but I've explained what I gleaned from what I saw...I'm not here to convince you of my conclusion....you apparently have already formed one...
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Not really, i'm just baffled that anyone can make any conclusion from one on one videos, or summer pickup runs. There's videos of Kanter and Melo dominating superstars (against guys like Harden/Lebron) in NY workout runs, so I really question what you would have learned from those.

What triggered me was your post about Nas being "stoned" or "hungover" while he's winning nearly every game in these videos and showing a nice level of skill on both ends. The one where he won 5-0, he looks like he isn't even trying. How you came to these conclusions, I have no idea.
 
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blazerkor said:
Yeah, I don't think we'll know what kind of progress he's made until we see him in preseason. I won't even trust what I hear coming out of training camp because I've heard our guys hype their young teammates too many times and then seen none of it in games. So I think it's a wait and see situation where no one has a very good argument for where he's at right now.
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Mike Barret used to crack me up, his reports from training camp were always fun. "So and so added 20lbs of muscle.... and this person has really looked good."
 
Frankly, I find it hard to believe that Little and Simons are suddenly going to make some great leap. It's unrealistic to blame Stotts alone for their lack of progress.
 
Buffalo Custard said:
Frankly, I find it hard to believe that Little and Simons are suddenly going to make some great leap. It's unrealistic to blame Stotts alone for their lack of progress.
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I think Ant has made steady progress and have no reason to believe it won't continue. He really puts in work in the off-season.

Hopefully Little follows the same trajectory.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I think Ant has made steady progress and have no reason to believe it won't continue. He really puts in work in the off-season.

Hopefully Little follows the same trajectory.
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What do you think of most in here clamoring for a backup PG? Do you think Ant's not up to it?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I think Ant has made steady progress and have no reason to believe it won't continue. He really puts in work in the off-season.

Hopefully Little follows the same trajectory.
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Ant just needs to start throwing it down on guys. Up till now, he really hasn't used those hops at all. He will have a defender in front of him who is out of position, and he tries to dipsy doo and lay it in. Throw it down! Get the and 1, and intimidate the enemy.
 
tykendo said:
Ant just needs to start throwing it down on guys. Up till now, he really hasn't used those hops at all. He will have a defender in front of him who is out of position, and he tries to dipsy doo and lay it in. Throw it down! Get the and 1, and intimidate the enemy.
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I feel like he needs some strength and weight. That and running pick and roll should be his main focuses IMHO.
 
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