Why did the Blazers draft Meyers Leonard 11th????

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I guess it's all about the hits to this site huh? This cat comes on here just to stir shit up. Go back where you came from FAMS!
 
HCP said:
I guess it's all about the hits to this site huh? This cat comes on here just to stir shit up. Go back where you came from FAMS!
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I'm not your FAMS! I'm just stating my opinion, sorry if you can't deal with it.
 
I'm going to go against my better judgment and assume that your intentions are legitimate and actually want to discuss the topic of this thread, as well as the other subjects you've mentioned herein.

First--you suggest that Olshey should have packaged both picks plus other assets and traded up for MKG. I disagree with that assessment, based solely on the fact that Lillard was available at 6, and it is easily arguable that Lillard alone is of more value to this team than Kidd-Gilchrist would have been. Couple that with the fact that we already have Batum at MKG's position, the trade you suggest should have happened is by no means a slam dunk, and in many people's opinion would have been silly.

That said, you ask why we drafted Leonard, saying he has bust written all over him and is a white stiff. The "white stiff" part has already been addressed by others, by pointing out that his demonstrated athleticism and agility set him apart from "white stiffs" in history. Now, I see you attempted to discount the athleticism issue by bringing up Qyntel Woods' failed NBA career, but as we all know, that failure was not due to a lack of ability or athleticism, but due to his mental/emotional deficiencies, a characteristic that Leonard does not share, making the Leonard/Woods comparison fatally flawed. So, It has been clearly shown that the "white stiff" claim is baseless and irrelevant--let us move on.

If you are going to not only question why we drafted Leonard at 11, but also declare definitively that we should not have, you should also indicate whom we should have drafted in that spot, and why said selection would have been better than Leonard. Let us look at the next 8 players drafted, and list some of the question marks associated therewith:
  • Jeremy Lamb--Very skinny frame that might not be able to hold up to the rigors of NBA basketball; questionable intellect and decision-making given impressions made at draft combine; potential ball-hog mentality
  • Kendall Marshall--Questionable athleticism, and no demonstrated ability to shoot from the outside. Plus, we just drafted Lillard 6th, so another PG would be redundant
  • John Henson--another very skinny player, with many comparisons to former Tarheel and current scrub Brandan Wright; not much offensive game to speak of
  • Maurice Harkless--Very raw, unable to create own shot, not perimeter threat, plays more like a 4 than a 3. Tweener.
  • Royce White--Mental issues were a bit of a concern, as well as his size for his position. Also a tweener (probably would have been my top pick at 11 if not Leonard)
  • Tyler Zeller--Now, here's your big white stiff. Shorter than Leonard, shorter arms, less athletic. Not even the best Zeller in CBB last year.
  • Terrence Jones--Say it with me..."Tweener". Questionable jumper, no mid-range game. Poor attitude when things not going his way. No one aspect of his game that is definitely NBA starter caliber.
  • Andrew Nicholson--Not quite an NBA body, despite being a senior PF. Average athleticism at best. Has difficulty in low post against stronger or bulkier players

Clearly, there's not a single player here who was an obvious selection ahead of Leonard, but if you want to be intellectually honest, can you at least say who you think should have been taken in the 11 spot instead, and why?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I'm going to go against my better judgment and assume that your intentions are legitimate and actually want to discuss the topic of this thread, as well as the other subjects you've mentioned herein.

First--you suggest that Olshey should have packaged both picks plus other assets and traded up for MKG. I disagree with that assessment, based solely on the fact that Lillard was available at 6, and it is easily arguable that Lillard alone is of more value to this team than Kidd-Gilchrist would have been. Couple that with the fact that we already have Batum at MKG's position, the trade you suggest should have happened is by no means a slam dunk, and in many people's opinion would have been silly.

That said, you ask why we drafted Leonard, saying he has bust written all over him and is a white stiff. The "white stiff" part has already been addressed by others, by pointing out that his demonstrated athleticism and agility set him apart from "white stiffs" in history. Now, I see you attempted to discount the athleticism issue by bringing up Qyntel Woods' failed NBA career, but as we all know, that failure was not due to a lack of ability or athleticism, but due to his mental/emotional deficiencies, a characteristic that Leonard does not share, making the Leonard/Woods comparison fatally flawed. So, It has been clearly shown that the "white stiff" claim is baseless and irrelevant--let us move on.

If you are going to not only question why we drafted Leonard at 11, but also declare definitively that we should not have, you should also indicate whom we should have drafted in that spot, and why said selection would have been better than Leonard. Let us look at the next 8 players drafted, and list some of the question marks associated therewith:
  • Jeremy Lamb--Very skinny frame that might not be able to hold up to the rigors of NBA basketball; questionable intellect and decision-making given impressions made at draft combine; potential ball-hog mentality
  • Kendall Marshall--Questionable athleticism, and no demonstrated ability to shoot from the outside. Plus, we just drafted Lillard 6th, so another PG would be redundant
  • John Henson--another very skinny player, with many comparisons to former Tarheel and current scrub Brandan Wright; not much offensive game to speak of
  • Maurice Harkless--Very raw, unable to create own shot, not perimeter threat, plays more like a 4 than a 3. Tweener.
  • Royce White--Mental issues were a bit of a concern, as well as his size for his position. Also a tweener (probably would have been my top pick at 11 if not Leonard)
  • Tyler Zeller--Now, here's your big white stiff. Shorter than Leonard, shorter arms, less athletic. Not even the best Zeller in CBB last year.
  • Terrence Jones--Say it with me..."Tweener". Questionable jumper, no mid-range game. Poor attitude when things not going his way. No one aspect of his game that is definitely NBA starter caliber.
  • Andrew Nicholson--Not quite an NBA body, despite being a senior PF. Average athleticism at best. Has difficulty in low post against stronger or bulkier players

Clearly, there's not a single player here who was an obvious selection ahead of Leonard, but if you want to be intellectually honest, can you at least say who you think should have been taken in the 11 spot instead, and why?
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Not picking a player because you already have another at the same position is just idiotic! If anything The blazers should know this better then anyone. Michael/Clyde I would of picked Sullinger or Perry Jones at 11.
 
ODENISGOD said:
Not picking a player because you already have another at the same position is just idiotic! If anything The blazers should know this better then anyone. Michael/Clyde I would of picked Sullinger or Perry Jones at 11.
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ok, why?
 
"Sure, Mr. Allen...I know his back and injury history has posted red flags all over the place, causing him to drop 15 spots...but we NEED to spend the 11th pick on him"

/Olshey's GM tenure
 
ODENISGOD said:
Once again another insult. SMH. When is this guy gonna get banned?
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"Ironic" is not an insult. You're welcome to place any poster on ignore. As it is, it's not even worth a kiss-your-sister Double Technical.
 
BrianFromWA said:
"Sure, Mr. Allen...I know his back and injury history has posted red flags all over the place, causing him to drop 15 spots...but we NEED to spend the 11th pick on him"

/Olshey's GM tenure
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The payoff is worth the gamble. It's not like a top 5 pick anyways.
 
ODENISGOD said:
Once again another insult. SMH. When is this guy gonna get banned?
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If I may? All he did was point out the irony in the phrase "more then educated..."

Methinks thou dost insult thyself...
 
BrianFromWA said:
"Ironic" is not an insult. You're welcome to place any poster on ignore. As it is, it's not even worth a kiss-your-sister Double Technical.
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he called me a troll and a bunch of other things when i'm just talking basketball.
 
Oh, I get it, you think we could have or should have traded down to 21 and 28 to get both those players?

I still like what we have at 11.
 
ODENISGOD said:
Because I think they were some of the best players by far in that entire draft. That's all it comes down to. Who are the best players. Fuck projects. How many of those work?
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So Henson, Harkless, Zeller and Nicholson aren't project big men, but Leonard is. They are "some of the best players", in your view. Not sure I can agree with that.
 
ODENISGOD said:
he called me a troll and a bunch of other things when i'm just talking basketball.
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hey, as far as i and most everyone else can see, you came in here looking for an argument

well, im your huckleberry :cowboy:
 
ODENISGOD said:
Not picking a player because you already have another at the same position is just idiotic! If anything The blazers should know this better then anyone. Michael/Clyde I would of picked Sullinger or Perry Jones at 11.
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Considering the results, the last time we drafted an Ohio State big man with an injury history and mismatched legs, you and I both know that there was no way Sullinger was coming to Portland. There's definitely an argument to be made for PJ3, if one subscribes to the "swing for the fences" school of drafting, which I do. However, that same school of thought supports picking Leonard as well. In fact, the arguments against Leonard and Jones are very similar. It seems hypocritical that you would decry the Leonard pick as unintelligent, but simultaneously advocate for picking a player with similar (but more glaring) question marks.
 
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