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“When Florida sends its candidates, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with them. They’re bringing racism. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And all, I assume, are bad people”

Ron's done some good things. I think @Lanny would be proud of some of DeSantis' past accomplishments.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/4458927/ron-desantis-iraq-war-navy-attorney-military/

DeSantis, 43, was assigned to the Navy's Judge Advocate General's Corps (or JAG) in 2004, after completing his undergraduate degree at Yale, and while enrolled at Harvard Law School.

According to the Tampa Bay Times, DeSantis served as a Navy attorney serving as senior legal advisor to SEAL team captain Dane Thorleifson.

Capt. Thorleifson commanded the Special Operations Task Force-West in Fallujah.

DeSantis oversaw detainees, making sure they were treated humanely, and also monitored missions of Navy SEALs and Army Green Berets in his jurisdiction, making sure they followed the rule of law.

While in Iraq, DeSantis worked to protect the rights of around 100 detainees, and made sure any interrogations followed US military rules as well as the Geneva Conventions.


Thorleifson told the Tampa Bay Times that DeSantis became "one of my very close counsels," and that he had a lot of respect for DeSantis.

"He was super smart, articulate, resourceful and a positive part of the staff. I relied on him heavily," Capt. Thorleifson told the outlet.

DeSantis was honorably discharged from active duty in 2010 and elected to the House of Representatives in 2012.

In August 2018, DeSantis won Florida's gubernatorial election after defeating Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum......(CONTINUED)
 
https://www.thedailybeast.com/team-trump-blames-mcconnell-for-orchestrating-desantis-blow-up

Team Trump Blames McConnell for Orchestrating DeSantis Blow-Up

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The Scary Parallels Between Trump and Mussolini | History News Network
"Comparisons between Trump(ism) and Fascism have become frequent, and with good reason. These comparisons are strongest between Trump and Mussolini — stronger than with Hitler and Nazi-ism. Detailed comparisons are difficult for at least two reasons: 1) the historical circumstances are quite different between the 20s and 30s and today, and 2) Fascism was never a coherent political theory or philosophy, but, instead, was a populist and nationalist development in Italy that Mussolini did not create, but did take over."
 
Ron's done some good things. I think @Lanny would be proud of some of DeSantis' past accomplishments.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/4458927/ron-desantis-iraq-war-navy-attorney-military/

DeSantis, 43, was assigned to the Navy's Judge Advocate General's Corps (or JAG) in 2004, after completing his undergraduate degree at Yale, and while enrolled at Harvard Law School.

According to the Tampa Bay Times, DeSantis served as a Navy attorney serving as senior legal advisor to SEAL team captain Dane Thorleifson.

Capt. Thorleifson commanded the Special Operations Task Force-West in Fallujah.

DeSantis oversaw detainees, making sure they were treated humanely, and also monitored missions of Navy SEALs and Army Green Berets in his jurisdiction, making sure they followed the rule of law.

While in Iraq, DeSantis worked to protect the rights of around 100 detainees, and made sure any interrogations followed US military rules as well as the Geneva Conventions.


Thorleifson told the Tampa Bay Times that DeSantis became "one of my very close counsels," and that he had a lot of respect for DeSantis.

"He was super smart, articulate, resourceful and a positive part of the staff. I relied on him heavily," Capt. Thorleifson told the outlet.

DeSantis was honorably discharged from active duty in 2010 and elected to the House of Representatives in 2012.

In August 2018, DeSantis won Florida's gubernatorial election after defeating Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum......(CONTINUED)

This makes him in ways worse than Trump because he possesses intelligence and yet still depraves himself with such a low brand of politics.
 
This makes him in ways worse than Trump because he possesses intelligence and yet still depraves himself with such a low brand of politics.

Well, if you say so.
 
There are only a few honest republicans that will stand for democracy currently....which is good enough reason to bail on that party or vote for a Liz Cheney, Adam Kinsinger or Mitt Romney...any of whom would probably run away with an election against Biden.....but they won't...they'll find another snake oil salesman who'll lie for power and authoritarian control. Lying, controlling the media and stifling civil rights is all the GOP is running on now so if you follow that cult...you're part of the problem unless you are ok with authoritarian dictator like leadership.
 
There are only a few honest republicans that will stand for democracy currently....which is good enough reason to bail on that party or vote for a Liz Cheney, Adam Kinsinger or Mitt Romney...any of whom would probably run away with an election against Biden.....but they won't...they'll find another snake oil salesman who'll lie for power and authoritarian control. Lying, controlling the media and stifling civil rights is all the GOP is running on now so if you follow that cult...you're part of the problem unless you are ok with authoritarian dictator like leadership.

Well, at least Mark Hamill has said in the past stay clear away from Romney. But, then again, what does he know. LOL

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mark-hamill-mitt-romney-i_n_1944982

Dude, they're ALL liars! Face it.
 
Well, at least Mark Hamill has said in the past stay clear away from Romney. But, then again, what does he know. LOL

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mark-hamill-mitt-romney-i_n_1944982

Dude, they're ALL liars! Face it.
lying about an attempt at overthrowing the nation is exclusive to your party of choice....there's lying about a blowjob...Clinton...or lying about losing an election ...your party leaderships BIG LIE ....dump the GOP...they have shamed themselves and divided the nation. fact.....
 
lying about an attempt at overthrowing the nation is exclusive to your party of choice....there's lying about a blowjob...Clinton...or lying about losing an election ...your party leaderships BIG LIE ....dump the GOP...they have shamed themselves and divided the nation. fact.....

Well, you're golden, then.
 
What does that even mean? Nevermind......I'll pass on the definition

It means you have it all figured out. I mean, why would I even question you?
 
lying about an attempt at overthrowing the nation is exclusive to your party of choice....there's lying about a blowjob...Clinton...or lying about losing an election ...your party leaderships BIG LIE ....dump the GOP...they have shamed themselves and divided the nation. fact.....
Actually the democratic south damn near over through the nation back in mid 1800's ....lol
Thank goodness for Grant, Sherman & Sheridan. ANDS ABE
 
DeathSantis asked state legislature for $6 million for a special election police accountable only to him, with power to monitor polling places, question and arrest voters and arrest election workers. He also inserted himself into Florida redistricting, cutting majority Black districts in half, and guaranteeing Republicans eight seat majority regardless of total votes.
 
Actually the democratic south damn near over through the nation back in mid 1800's ....lol
Thank goodness for Grant, Sherman & Sheridan.
absolutely true...times have changed.. we still face a similar standoff with civil rights and white privilege as the points of contention. Unfortunately the white leadership of both parties practiced racist public policies long after the civil war...racism was a white tool of power...not political affiliation as much. Religious fundamentalists no longer dominate both political parties like back in those days either. Women still couldn't vote
 
DeathSantis asked state legislature for $6 million for a special election police accountable only to him, with power to monitor polling places, question and arrest voters and arrest election workers. He also inserted himself into Florida redistricting, cutting majority Black districts in half, and guaranteeing Republicans eight seat majority regardless of total votes.

Well, dang, it's no wonder so many are moving there at record levels. Stupid people.
 
Well, dang, it's no wonder so many are moving there at record levels. Stupid people.

Sheesh. People moving to Florida is not an endorsement of DeSantis. People move to (and from) Florida for all sorts of reasons. Not everyone makes their personal decisions based on who the governor happens to be at the time.

barfo
 
Maybe he will finally be ABM's great white hope that Trump was too stupid to fulfill. Outlaw abortion, overturn marriage equality, only teach nice things in history class. Make America great again, when everyone was straight, white and Christian.
 
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DeSantis will NOT bend the knee to Trump: Florida Gov. says backing ex-president for 2024 now 'is too much to ask' after Trump attacked him for being 'dull' and having 'no charisma'
  • Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is refusing to bend a knee to Donald Trump and says backing him in the 2024 election 'is too much to ask'
  • The governor, a once-loyal member of Trump's court, has criticized Trump to his inner circle as the ex-president continued to take aim at him
  • Trump is said to have been trashing DeSantis in private, calling the Florida governor an ingrate with a 'dull personality'
  • DeSantis reportedly blasted back at Trump's criticisms, accusing him of being 'uncharacteristically out of step with the hard-line elements of his party's base'
  • He also said his biggest regret in office is not having 'been much louder' in speaking out against Trump's coronavirus pandemic response
  • The two are among the most popular Republican figures in the country as Trump and potentially DeSantis eye a presidential run in 2024
  • Conservatives also say the pair are 'the two most important leaders in the Republican Party'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Trump-says-backing-ex-president-2024-ask.html
This is good because Trump is far more dangerous than DeSantis.
 
Doing something right, like keeping Black people from voting.
 
DeathSantis asked state legislature for $6 million for a special election police accountable only to him, with power to monitor polling places, question and arrest voters and arrest election workers. He also inserted himself into Florida redistricting, cutting majority Black districts in half, and guaranteeing Republicans eight seat majority regardless of total votes.
DeNazi
 

Makes sense.

Conservatives reject it, saying it is a world view derived from Marxism that divides society by defining people as oppressors and oppressed based on their race. They call it an attempt to rewrite American history and make white people believe they are inherently racist.

The bill reads in part, “An individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex, does not bear responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex. An individual should not be made to feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race.”

The bill is called “Individual Freedom." Republican Sen. Manny Diaz, its sponsor, said it is not about ignoring the “dark” parts of American history, but rather ensuring that people are not blamed for sins of the past.

“No individual is inherently racist, sexist or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously, solely by the virtue of his or her race or sex,” Diaz said. “No race is inherently superior to another race.”

Jones said DeSantis is playing to his conservative base by pushing the legislation, but wouldn't go so far as to say DeSantis himself is racist.

“The governor will continue to go across the country with his racist rhetoric on critical race theory ... It's a problem that doesn't exist,” Jones said. "I think the governor's policies that he continues to push are racist."

Asked for comment, the governor's spokeswoman reiterated comments DeSantis made at a news conference last month in which he referred to the late civil rights activist Martin Luther King Jr.

DeSantis said at the time, “You think about what MLK stood for, ‘He said he didn’t want people judged on the color of their skin but on the content of their character. You listen to some of these people nowadays, they don’t talk about that.’ ”

Oh, and we all know that Farrington is a champion for the right.

https://thecapitolist.com/the-wrap-ap-writes-dumb-desantis-story-gets-dumb-response/
 
Makes sense.

Conservatives reject it, saying it is a world view derived from Marxism that divides society by defining people as oppressors and oppressed based on their race. They call it an attempt to rewrite American history and make white people believe they are inherently racist.

The bill reads in part, “An individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex, does not bear responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex. An individual should not be made to feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race.”

The bill is called “Individual Freedom." Republican Sen. Manny Diaz, its sponsor, said it is not about ignoring the “dark” parts of American history, but rather ensuring that people are not blamed for sins of the past.

“No individual is inherently racist, sexist or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously, solely by the virtue of his or her race or sex,” Diaz said. “No race is inherently superior to another race.”

Jones said DeSantis is playing to his conservative base by pushing the legislation, but wouldn't go so far as to say DeSantis himself is racist.

“The governor will continue to go across the country with his racist rhetoric on critical race theory ... It's a problem that doesn't exist,” Jones said. "I think the governor's policies that he continues to push are racist."

Asked for comment, the governor's spokeswoman reiterated comments DeSantis made at a news conference last month in which he referred to the late civil rights activist Martin Luther King Jr.

DeSantis said at the time, “You think about what MLK stood for, ‘He said he didn’t want people judged on the color of their skin but on the content of their character. You listen to some of these people nowadays, they don’t talk about that.’ ”

Oh, and we all know that Farrington is a champion for the right.

https://thecapitolist.com/the-wrap-ap-writes-dumb-desantis-story-gets-dumb-response/

It makes sense that DeSantis and other Republicans are trying to whitewash history to preserve their feelings.

White people held black people as slaves. They forced them to work, they berated them, they beat them, they raped them, they sold them like groceries, they treated them as less than human, they killed them as they pleased.

Then when some white people became afraid they were going to lose the black people they owned, they ceded and a war broke out.

Black people were "freed."

When that war was lost, black people were forced to use their own schools, restaurants, bathrooms, water fountains, etc. They were still subjected to slurs and often killed by coward white people in masks and robes, including Emmet Till.

Segregation ended as a matter of progression, and the civil rights era came. Many died fighting for rights for black people including MLK and Malcolm X.

Despite segregation being over black people were still separated via ghettos.

Progress has been slow. We have finally had a black president and VP.

And now people like DeSantis want to erase this history. It can't be erased. It's a stain, a bloody stain. It will be forever memorial, a testament to what was.

DeSantis can talk all he wants about not wanting there to be oppressers and oppressed, but when he is openly oppressing black people with this law and other voting laws and by closing voting centers, etc etc. he can shove it up his ass.

MLK did say everyone should be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. He wasn't saying we need to erase history, but to remember it, to be stirred by it, to be humbled by it, so that we can treat each other better, so that we never return there again.

And DeSantis and others want to bend his words to assauge the egos of white people? Fuck that. We should be ashamed of what happened.
 
It makes sense that DeSantis and other Republicans are trying to whitewash history to preserve their feelings.

White people held black people as slaves. They forced them to work, they berated them, they beat them, they raped them, they sold them like groceries, they treated them as less than human, they killed them as they pleased.

Then when the slaves were "freed" half the white people started a war to try and get them back.

When that war was lost, black people were forced to use their own schools, restaurants, bathrooms, water fountains, etc. They were still subjected to slurs and often killed by coward white people in masks and robes, including Emmet Till.

Segregation ended as a matter of progression, and the civil rights era came. Many died fighting for rights for black people including MLK and Malcolm X.

Despite segregation being over black people were still separated via ghettos.

Progress has been slow. We have finally had a black president and VP.

And now people like DeSantis want to erase this history. It can't be erased. It's a stain, a bloody stain. It will be forever memorial, a testament to what was.

DeSantis can talk all he wants about not wanting there to be oppressers and oppressed, but when he is openly oppressing black people with this law and other voting laws and by closing voting centers, etc etc. he can shove it up his ass.

MLK did say everyone should be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. He wasn't saying we need to erase history, but to remember it, to be stirred by it, to be humbled by it, so that we can treat each other better, so that we never return there again.

And DeSantis and others want to bend his words to assauge the egos of white people? Fuck that. We should be ashamed of what happened.
"The Emancipation Proclamation, or Proclamation 95, was a presidential proclamation and executive order issued by United States President Abraham Lincoln on September 22, 1862, during the Civil War."
 
DeathSantis asked state legislature for $6 million for a special election police accountable only to him, with power to monitor polling places, question and arrest voters and arrest election workers. He also inserted himself into Florida redistricting, cutting majority Black districts in half, and guaranteeing Republicans eight seat majority regardless of total votes.

His own gestapo
 
I was nine when my parents gave me a children's book about Little Rock desegregation. Reading about abuse those Black students endured made me uncomfortable. I was 12 when I was given Children of Vietnam. Explicit pictures and descriptions of napalm. I was very uncomfortable. At 13 they gave me Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Reading what happened in Nazi death camps made me uncomfortable. As you might have guessed, my parents did not believe in sheltering children from the real world. Presumably DeathSantis woul ban these books.
As Joy Reid put it, if reading about it makes you uncomfortable, how did those who lived through it feel?
Remember the chorus of people on the right ridiculing so called liberal snowflakes?
I guess if you don't like the snow, move to Florida.
 
I was nine when my parents gave me a children's book about Little Rock desegregation. Reading about abuse those Black students endured made me uncomfortable. I was 12 when I was given Children of Vietnam. Explicit pictures and descriptions of napalm. I was very uncomfortable. At 13 they gave me Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Reading what happened in Nazi death camps made me uncomfortable. As you might have guessed, my parents did not believe in sheltering children from the real world. Presumably DeathSantis woul ban these books.
As Joy Reid put it, if reading about it makes you uncomfortable, how did those who lived through it feel?
Remember the chorus of people on the right ridiculing so called liberal snowflakes?
I guess if you don't like the snow, move to Florida.

All in the family. A great place to discuss these things. Parents really need to be more involved with their children. Glad yours were.
 
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