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SlyPokerCat said:
I would choose Buttigieg.

Nice deflection. Not.
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Deflecting? Not. As mentioned, I know nothing about him. You seem to know lots, so I asked you a question......for once.
 
ABM said:
Look, I've never followed the man politically. The answer is I don't know anything about him. Quit trying to start things that aren't there.
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That didn't stop you from liking herschel walker.
 
RR7 said:
That didn't stop you from liking herschel walker.
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Sure, I made some positive remarks about him, but then called him a deadbeat dad. Go back and read the thread.
 
ABM said:
Deflecting? Not. As mentioned, I know nothing about him. You seem to know lots, so I asked you a question......for once.
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Go ahead and research. Again, not surprising you don't care to research the other side. That's a lie though. You sure seemed to research him being a parent and his marriage.

Most of us have researched Desantis and he is an arrogant, pompous ass. Yet, you would give him a @Strenuus special if he would let you.
 
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ABM said:
Sure, I made some positive remarks about him, but then called him a deadbeat dad. Go back and read the thread.
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You knew nothing about him except he was black and running as a nut job, err, republican. That was plenty for you to go on for someone with no track record. Pete has one, and as much as you follow politics, you know nothing at all about him.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Go ahead and research. Again, not surprising you don't care to research the other said. That's a lie though. You sure seemed to research him being a parent and his marriage.

Most of us have researched Desantis and he is an arrogant, pompous ass. Yet, you would give him a @Strenuus special if he would let you.
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A what?

Besides, why would I be researching Pete Buttigieg for POTUS in 2022? The Democratic lineup is not even close to beginning.
 
ABM said:
A what?

Besides, why would I be researching Pete Buttigieg for POTUS in 2022? The Democratic lineup is not even close to beginning.
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Lol, ok. Go back to caring so much about his children and his sexual orientation.
 
RR7 said:
You knew nothing about him except he was black and running as a nut job, err, republican. That was plenty for you to go on for someone with no track record. Pete has one, and as much as you follow politics, you know nothing at all about him.
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And your point is?
 
ABM said:
Who would you choose between Biden, Harris, or Buttigieg?
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Harris. I admit I am partial to her as she was my senator.
Biden is a decent man who wants to do well but seems stuck in a past when Republicans were reasonable and compromised.
Buttigieg I like but his political experience is pretty limited.

All three would be light years ahead of Trump or DeathSantis.
 
crandc said:
Harris. I admit I am partial to her as she was my senator.
Biden is a decent man who wants to do well but seems stuck in a past when Republicans were reasonable and compromised.
Buttigieg I like but his political experience is pretty limited.

All three would be light years ahead of Trump or DeathSantis.
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Nice reply. Thank you. One thing I had heard about Buttigieg is that he had struggled with the Black support in South Bend. But, yeah, limited political experience. The same is absolutley true as it pertains to Herschel Walker, though! PS: He'll lose to Warnock, though, so that point is moot.
 
Comparing Buttigieg to Walker in experience? Buttigieg is a veteran, has an Ivy League degree, served as mayor in a fairly conservative area with success, ran for president and is a Cabinet secretary. Walker was a great football player.
Also Buttigieg never abused his partners or lied about his background, nor does he have multiple unacknowledged children.
 
It's OK. It'll be alright.
 
Don’t underestimate Charlie Crist. He’s going for DeSantis’s jugular.

Rep. Charlie Crist (D-Fla.) obliterated opponent Nikki Fried in Tuesday’s Democratic primary for Florida governor. And now Crist, himself a former Republican governor of the state, goes up against the current Republican governor, Ron DeSantis, who has visions of the Oval Office dancing in his head. Just as Lawton Chiles did with his 1994 defeat of Jeb Bush for the same office, Crist has a rare opportunity to knock a would-be presidential candidate off track. And it looks like he has every intention of doing so.

Crist, a mild-mannered moderate on the trail, came out swinging at DeSantis in his victory remarks: “Our fundamental freedoms are literally on the ballot. … A woman’s right to choose, on the ballot. Democracy, on the ballot. Your rights as minorities are on this ballot.” He told the crowd that DeSantis wants to be president, but if Crist wins, “that show is over.”

Crist went on to call his race “the most consequential … in the history of the state,” saying he hardly recognized today’s “extremist” Republicans, who “want to turn back the clock on our freedom.”

Crist made clear that he’s going to run as a uniter, while DeSantis schemes to reduce access to the voting booth. Crist vowed to make it easier to vote (saying Election Day should be a holiday), as well as to sign an executive order protecting abortion rights and reinstating Hillsborough County State Attorney Andrew Warren, whom DeSantis suspended for declaring he would not prosecute women seeking an abortion. Crist also went after DeSantis for refusing to call out GOP Lt. Gov. Jeanette Nuñez for suggesting Cubans “illegally” in the state should be bused to Delaware.

Crist’s attacks on DeSantis were unsparing: “He’s abusive. He is a bully. … He’s dangerous.” Crist accused the governor of imitating the worst political authoritarians around the globe, and bashed him for refusing to call out his flag-waving neo-Nazi supporters.

Crist might consider bringing Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) into the state, or at least running an ad featuring her slam against DeSantis. (“DeSantis is somebody who is, right now, campaigning for election deniers,” she said in a recent ABC interview. “That is something that I think people have got to have real pause about. … Either you fundamentally believe in and will support our constitutional structure, or you don’t.”)

Crist sounds as though he is running against former president Donald Trump — and in a sense, he is. He’s battling a mini-Trump who adopts the same inflammatory slogans (“woke” seems to be his favorite word), and who also refuses to unequivocally denounce white nationalists. Like Trump, DeSantis uses critical race theory to crank up White resentment, even signing into law a litigation behemoth for suing teachers who dare to accurately teach American history. To all that, Crist declares: “Enough!”

Florida remains a red-trending state. DeSantis has a boatload of money. But this does not mean DeSantis will waltz to victory. In making DeSantis’s bullying and violations of freedom the central issue, Crist is trying out a playbook that may be useful against any MAGA Republican nominee in 2024. If Crist pulls an upset, or even comes close, Republicans might decide DeSantis is not a good bet for 2024.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/24/charlie-crist-derail-desantis-president/
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Don’t underestimate Charlie Crist. He’s going for DeSantis’s jugular.

Rep. Charlie Crist (D-Fla.) obliterated opponent Nikki Fried in Tuesday’s Democratic primary for Florida governor. And now Crist, himself a former Republican governor of the state, goes up against the current Republican governor, Ron DeSantis, who has visions of the Oval Office dancing in his head. Just as Lawton Chiles did with his 1994 defeat of Jeb Bush for the same office, Crist has a rare opportunity to knock a would-be presidential candidate off track. And it looks like he has every intention of doing so.

Crist, a mild-mannered moderate on the trail, came out swinging at DeSantis in his victory remarks: “Our fundamental freedoms are literally on the ballot. … A woman’s right to choose, on the ballot. Democracy, on the ballot. Your rights as minorities are on this ballot.” He told the crowd that DeSantis wants to be president, but if Crist wins, “that show is over.”

Crist went on to call his race “the most consequential … in the history of the state,” saying he hardly recognized today’s “extremist” Republicans, who “want to turn back the clock on our freedom.”

Crist made clear that he’s going to run as a uniter, while DeSantis schemes to reduce access to the voting booth. Crist vowed to make it easier to vote (saying Election Day should be a holiday), as well as to sign an executive order protecting abortion rights and reinstating Hillsborough County State Attorney Andrew Warren, whom DeSantis suspended for declaring he would not prosecute women seeking an abortion. Crist also went after DeSantis for refusing to call out GOP Lt. Gov. Jeanette Nuñez for suggesting Cubans “illegally” in the state should be bused to Delaware.

Crist’s attacks on DeSantis were unsparing: “He’s abusive. He is a bully. … He’s dangerous.” Crist accused the governor of imitating the worst political authoritarians around the globe, and bashed him for refusing to call out his flag-waving neo-Nazi supporters.

Crist might consider bringing Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) into the state, or at least running an ad featuring her slam against DeSantis. (“DeSantis is somebody who is, right now, campaigning for election deniers,” she said in a recent ABC interview. “That is something that I think people have got to have real pause about. … Either you fundamentally believe in and will support our constitutional structure, or you don’t.”)

Crist sounds as though he is running against former president Donald Trump — and in a sense, he is. He’s battling a mini-Trump who adopts the same inflammatory slogans (“woke” seems to be his favorite word), and who also refuses to unequivocally denounce white nationalists. Like Trump, DeSantis uses critical race theory to crank up White resentment, even signing into law a litigation behemoth for suing teachers who dare to accurately teach American history. To all that, Crist declares: “Enough!”

Florida remains a red-trending state. DeSantis has a boatload of money. But this does not mean DeSantis will waltz to victory. In making DeSantis’s bullying and violations of freedom the central issue, Crist is trying out a playbook that may be useful against any MAGA Republican nominee in 2024. If Crist pulls an upset, or even comes close, Republicans might decide DeSantis is not a good bet for 2024.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/24/charlie-crist-derail-desantis-president/
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crandc said:
Comparing Buttigieg to Walker in experience? Buttigieg is a veteran, has an Ivy League degree, served as mayor in a fairly conservative area with success, ran for president and is a Cabinet secretary. Walker was a great football player.
Also Buttigieg never abused his partners or lied about his background, nor does he have multiple unacknowledged children.
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Yeah but Walker hates the libs and wants to ban abortions, so he's a-ok in his book...
 
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julius said:
Yeah but Walker hates the libs and wants to ban abortions, so he's a-ok in his book...
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Hate's a strong word, but you're on the right track.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Don’t underestimate Charlie Crist. He’s going for DeSantis’s jugular.

Rep. Charlie Crist (D-Fla.) obliterated opponent Nikki Fried in Tuesday’s Democratic primary for Florida governor. And now Crist, himself a former Republican governor of the state, goes up against the current Republican governor, Ron DeSantis, who has visions of the Oval Office dancing in his head. Just as Lawton Chiles did with his 1994 defeat of Jeb Bush for the same office, Crist has a rare opportunity to knock a would-be presidential candidate off track. And it looks like he has every intention of doing so.

Crist, a mild-mannered moderate on the trail, came out swinging at DeSantis in his victory remarks: “Our fundamental freedoms are literally on the ballot. … A woman’s right to choose, on the ballot. Democracy, on the ballot. Your rights as minorities are on this ballot.” He told the crowd that DeSantis wants to be president, but if Crist wins, “that show is over.”

Crist went on to call his race “the most consequential … in the history of the state,” saying he hardly recognized today’s “extremist” Republicans, who “want to turn back the clock on our freedom.”

Crist made clear that he’s going to run as a uniter, while DeSantis schemes to reduce access to the voting booth. Crist vowed to make it easier to vote (saying Election Day should be a holiday), as well as to sign an executive order protecting abortion rights and reinstating Hillsborough County State Attorney Andrew Warren, whom DeSantis suspended for declaring he would not prosecute women seeking an abortion. Crist also went after DeSantis for refusing to call out GOP Lt. Gov. Jeanette Nuñez for suggesting Cubans “illegally” in the state should be bused to Delaware.

Crist’s attacks on DeSantis were unsparing: “He’s abusive. He is a bully. … He’s dangerous.” Crist accused the governor of imitating the worst political authoritarians around the globe, and bashed him for refusing to call out his flag-waving neo-Nazi supporters.

Crist might consider bringing Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) into the state, or at least running an ad featuring her slam against DeSantis. (“DeSantis is somebody who is, right now, campaigning for election deniers,” she said in a recent ABC interview. “That is something that I think people have got to have real pause about. … Either you fundamentally believe in and will support our constitutional structure, or you don’t.”)

Crist sounds as though he is running against former president Donald Trump — and in a sense, he is. He’s battling a mini-Trump who adopts the same inflammatory slogans (“woke” seems to be his favorite word), and who also refuses to unequivocally denounce white nationalists. Like Trump, DeSantis uses critical race theory to crank up White resentment, even signing into law a litigation behemoth for suing teachers who dare to accurately teach American history. To all that, Crist declares: “Enough!”

Florida remains a red-trending state. DeSantis has a boatload of money. But this does not mean DeSantis will waltz to victory. In making DeSantis’s bullying and violations of freedom the central issue, Crist is trying out a playbook that may be useful against any MAGA Republican nominee in 2024. If Crist pulls an upset, or even comes close, Republicans might decide DeSantis is not a good bet for 2024.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/24/charlie-crist-derail-desantis-president/
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Unfortunately I don't think Republicans like much of what Crist is selling...

The choice seems fairly simple. I guess we'll see how close Republicans are to being reasonable.
 
I don't know about Floridians generally but DeathSantis supporters sure don't like California. Where state law guarantees equal legal rights for LGBTQ people. We don't ban books. Students learn history. Abortion is legal.
We like it this way.
 
Probably why so many Californians are relocating to Florida and Tennessee. We talk to them every day.
 
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ABM said:
Probably why so many Californians are relocating to Florida and Tennessee. We talk to them every day.
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Lol they might say that to you, but most of them are moving because costs are less. That isn't new. You lived in Oregon, you know that.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Lol they might say that to you, but most of them are moving because costs are less. That isn't new. You lived in Oregon, you know that.
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My post was duly edited.

Point is, lots and lots of Californians moving down here. They don't give a rip what Gavin has to say nor what he does,
 
crandc said:
I don't know about Floridians generally but DeathSantis supporters sure don't like California. Where state law guarantees equal legal rights for LGBTQ people. We don't ban books. Students learn history. Abortion is legal.
We like it this way.
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What book bannings are you even talking about? Lefties are putting trigger warnings on everything and embracing post modernist bs, which is anti-science. You've been duped by authoritarianism, criminal liars who declare themselves the science.
 
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