OT Why the Bucks beat the Warriors

[Rastapopoulos]

Here's why I think the Bucks beat the Warriors:
1. Defense - Kidd had the Bucks playing an innovative defense last season. It hasn't been great this season but they're rounding into form
2. Big guards - OJ Mayo and Khris Middleton were the starters and Carter-Williams came off the bench. All big and tough.
3. A real low-post scorer - they're a rarity in the NBA these days and Monroe can make them keep Bogut in and stop them going to their killer small-ball unit
4. But the MAIN reason they won: the Celtics. They took the Warriors to double OT yesterday and exhausted them.

 

[Denny Crane]

The Warriors played Bogut and Ezeli big minutes last night, especially down the stretch. Bogut came up with 2 or 3 huge timely blocks toward the end of the game.

For the season, the two combine for 40 MPG.

 

[Darkwebs]

Here's why I think the Bucks beat the Warriors:
1. Defense - Kidd had the Bucks playing an innovative defense last season. It hasn't been great this season but they're rounding into form
2. Big guards - OJ Mayo and Khris Middleton were the starters and Carter-Williams came off the bench. All big and tough.
3. A real low-post scorer - they're a rarity in the NBA these days and Monroe can make them keep Bogut in and stop them going to their killer small-ball unit
4. But the MAIN reason they won: the Celtics. They took the Warriors to double OT yesterday and exhausted them.

Please tell me more about this defense.

 

[ChadWick]

Here's why

Warriors coming off a 2OT back to back. 7th of a 7 game road trip to boot.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Here's why, scored more points. I win.

 

[MarAzul]

OT yesterday and exhausted them.

Had to wait until the end but you nailed it. Thompson and Iquodala, short with nearly everything. Open shots, clank!

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Had to wait until the end but you nailed it. Thompson and Iquodala, short with nearly everything. Open shots, clank!

Well Thompson didn't play last night, but he is dealing with an ankle injury.

 

[KingSpeed]

Here's why

Warriors coming off a 2OT back to back. 7th of a 7 game road trip to boot.

So close to being the first to sweep a 7 game trip. I'm actually sad the Warriors lost. I wanted it to keep going. It's not like we can catch them.

 

[ChadWick]

So close to being the first to sweep a 7 game trip. I'm actually sad the Warriors lost. I wanted it to keep going. It's not like we can catch them.

I know, they're doing something that we will never see again. Crazy. I wanted it to keep going.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I know, they're doing something that we will never see again. Crazy. I wanted it to keep going.

In my mind's alternate universe the Blazers started 37-0 three years ago.

 

[Strenuus]

Sucks. I was pulling hard for them... but that celtics game wiped them out. 25-0 just sounds so much nicer. 24-1 will do, I suppose. 6-1 on a 7 game road trip... Had 7-0 on a road trip ever happened? I doubt it. And i think KS said it earlier...

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Please tell me more about this defense.

Here you go.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The Warriors played Bogut and Ezeli big minutes last night, especially down the stretch. Bogut came up with 2 or 3 huge timely blocks toward the end of the game.

But apparently not huge and timely enough.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Over the past ten games, the best teams in the NBA have been:
The Spurs
The Warriors
The Thunder
in that order.
When do the Spurs play the Warriors? Of course, if it's not in the playoffs, Pop might rest everybody just to fuck with people.

 

[Denny Crane]

But apparently not huge and timely enough.

They won that game and 24 others (in a row) playing Bogut and Ezeli 40 minutes a night.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

They won that game and 24 others (in a row) playing Bogut and Ezeli 40 minutes a night.

A couple of points:
1. Your math is off. Yes, they're both averaging 20 mpg, but Ezeli's average minutes were bumped way up when Bogut was out. There's no way they both play 20 mpg when they're both healthy.
2. The time they're actually blowing people out is when they go small. But they don't want to wear Green out, so they bide their time. Bogut and Ezeli are more like placeholders who are occasionally positionally helpful than vital reasons for their success. This was obvious in the Finals when they decided the season was on the line and got serious and benched Bogut and destroyed the Cavs.

 

[Denny Crane]

A couple of points:
1. Your math is off. Yes, they're both averaging 20 mpg, but Ezeli's average minutes were bumped way up when Bogut was out. There's no way they both play 20 mpg when they're both healthy.
2. The time they're actually blowing people out is when they go small. But they don't want to wear Green out, so they bide their time. Bogut and Ezeli are more like placeholders who are occasionally positionally helpful than vital reasons for their success. This was obvious in the Finals when they decided the season was on the line and got serious and benched Bogut and destroyed the Cavs.

I can only tell you what I saw in the games I watched. Both guys played and played with the game on the line. Even offense/defense substitutions (one for the other).

GSW is playing most of the time with a true C on the floor, not small ball. The minutes don't lie.

 

[Denny Crane]

Milwaukee:


Boston:


Indiana

 

[Rastapopoulos]

You cited three games where the Warriors played worse than usual. Perhaps their problem is they've stopped playing enough smallball?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Even offense/defense substitutions (one for the other).

Serious question: which of them is supposed to be the "offense"?

 

[Denny Crane]

Serious question: which of them is supposed to be the "offense"?

What I saw was Ezeli in for defense.

 

[Denny Crane]

You cited three games where the Warriors played worse than usual. Perhaps their problem is they've stopped playing enough smallball?

Brooklyn



Charlotte



Utah



(I'm going backwards through the schedule a game at a time)

The only game the C's didn't get 36+ minutes combined was Toronto, where Ezili played 27 and Bogut did not play.

 

[STOMP]

Well Thompson didn't play last night, but he is dealing with an ankle injury.

Klay played 30+ minutes yesterday in his first game back from a twisted ankle

STOMP

 

[riverman]

I'm not jumping on the Warriors bandwagon because of their streak...I just wanted the Blazers to be the team that beat them. It's early in the season...they could have a setback just like any team. If Curry can keep this up, I'll be amazed. He has never had a reputation as an iron man, nor has Bogut. Time will tell.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Klay played 30+ minutes yesterday in his first game back from a twisted ankle

STOMP

Exactly, he didn't play in the game on Friday..

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Are the bucks for real?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I'm not jumping on the Warriors bandwagon because of their streak...I just wanted the Blazers to be the team that beat them. It's early in the season...they could have a setback just like any team. If Curry can keep this up, I'll be amazed. He has never had a reputation as an iron man, nor has Bogut. Time will tell.

Bogut's already been out. The mystery is that Ezeli has basically made him expendable. The Warriors have discovered what the Spurs long knew: it's about the system. That's why the Spurs can rest basically all their stars and still win games. The Warriors won a game with Ian Clark, whom Utah waived if I'm not mistaken, starting in place of Klay. That's the kind of shit the Spurs typically pull.

The real test of the system, of course, will be if Curry sits. Then we'll see if the system is simply "watch Curry score".

 

[Rastapopoulos]