Will Barton > Mo Williams

[SlyPokerDog]

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Dustin Hawes ‏@DHawes22 Reading awful Trail Blazers trade rumors hurts my head #RipCity


Casey Holdahl ‏@CHold
@DHawes22 gimme the gist


Dustin Hawes ‏@DHawes22
@CHold Trading Wesley because Thrill had two good games

 

[HailBlazers]

Ouch, the Blazers are slamming this thread on twitter, lol.

Rightfully so, good riddance.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

To be fair it's because will had two good games and Wes had four bad games.

 

[BBert]

But this is the Will > Mo thread. Is there even a Will > Wes thread? And does anybody really think that?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Nah the blazer employee assigned to our forum just hates us.

 

[Draco]

Interesting definition of "forever". We drafted Leonard less than 2 years ago. We gave that much time to Nolan Smith, Elliot Williams, Ha Seung-Jin and Shavlik Randolph. We gave Luke Babbitt 3 years before we cut him loose. I think next season is make or break for Leonard. He needs to show the kind of off-season improvement Joel Freeland did this year. If he does, great. If not, bye-bye.

The Blazers have a deadline this summer to extend Meyers for $3 million. I don't see any realistic chance of that happening. So Meyers will begin his final lame duck season where he is an expiring contract trade chip just as Nolan Smith, Elliot Williams, and Luke Babbitt all had. You've been beating this "wait for Meyers" drum for two years, but once a team passes on a rookie deal its over. BUST.

 

[blue9]

But this is the Will > Mo thread. Is there even a Will > Wes thread? And does anybody really think that?

BGD probably does?

 

[Draco]

Wes is definitely far better than Will, I don't think any reasonable person here is saying Will should replace Wes on this team, but the idea is you can get more value in return for Wes than Wil. I highly doubt a Wes trade would give us enough back to be worth it in my opinion but I can understand other fans logic.

Mo has been very frustrating to watch. He dominates the ball and makes a lot of rookie mistakes. For a vet you'd think he would take better care of the ball and not force bad shots. He commits a ton of dumb fouls. Why is he guarding a player so close he will be called for a foul 90% of the time when there is no benefit? Partly its so frustrating because he has a great skill set, can really shoot the ball, and has one of the best mid range games in the league. But can you really call it potential when he's in his 30's? It seems like he could so easily be more effective if he had a coach like Popovich yelling at him earlier in his career. Kind of reminds me of Jamal Crawford.

 

[Boob-No-More]

The Blazers have a deadline this summer to extend Meyers for $3 million. I don't see any realistic chance of that happening. So Meyers will begin his final lame duck season where he is an expiring contract trade chip just as Nolan Smith, Elliot Williams, and Luke Babbitt all had. You've been beating this "wait for Meyers" drum for two years, but once a team passes on a rookie deal its over. BUST.

Which is why I said: "I think next season is make or break for Leonard. He needs to show the kind of off-season improvement Joel Freeland did this year. If he does, great. If not, bye-bye."

Thanks for agreeing with me.

BNM

 

[BlazerCaravan]

MLEC!

 

[blue32]

Leonard "the human toadstool"

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

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Casey Holdahl ‏@CHold
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Dustin Hawes ‏@DHawes22
@CHold Trading Wesley because Thrill had two good games

As they should. Trading Wes because Will had a few solid games is crazy. We are forgetting the many bonehead plays Will makes.

 

[Natebishop3]

As they should. Trading Wes because Will had a few solid games is crazy. We are forgetting the many bonehead plays Will makes.

I believe the thread title is will Barton > mo Williams. Nothing about Wes in that title.

 

[Kaydow]

The People's Champ was awesome in Gm 4. That said, can we count on a repeat (or close to) performance? When he's effective the Spurs don't seem to know what to do with him. How do you game plan for chaos? There's a fine line between being aggressive vs out of control, and The Thrill has to force that issue because he's limited in so many facets. You don't tell Will to let the game come to him. He has to play like his hair's on fire to have any chance of positively affecting the game. But we all know you're rolling the dice with him. In this series it doesn't look like we can beat the Spurs playing conventionally for 48 min. They can out-execute us blindfolded. We have to gamble with Will again tonight. The stretches he turns the game into a playground session are a total wild card. That's why in THIS series, Will needs to get the nod ahead of Mo. Still think Mo is better overall, but there's nothing he can bring that the a Spurs don't know how to deal with. On the other hand, Will is giving someone a headache tonight. It could be us, or it could be them.

 

[magnifier661]

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Casey Holdahl ‏@CHold
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Dustin Hawes ‏@DHawes22
@CHold Trading Wesley because Thrill had two good games

Damn straight! Wes is a fucking WARRIOR! Just because his shot hasn't been falling lately, the dude does more for this team than many know. The best is his energy and defense!

But if we are talking about mo.... Well that's an entirely different story. And the real topic is using money that we would need for Mo on other players, since Barton could be our bench guard.

 

[Natebishop3]

Damn straight! Wes is a fucking WARRIOR! Just because his shot hasn't been falling lately, the dude does more for this team than many know. The best is his energy and defense!

Mags..... it was a thread about Mo Williams and Will Barton. It had nothing to do with Wes.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Will is a roll of the dice, but so is Mo. And we've been blessed with Good Will way more than Good Mo this series.

To put it another way: in obviously limited minutes (so grain of salt), Will Barton has a PER of 22.8. Mo has a PER of 4.7.

http://bkref.com/tiny/ffHc8

This is the type of sparkplug player Will has been for us.

 

[magnifier661]

Will is a roll of the dice, but so is Mo. And we've been blessed with Good Will way more than Good Mo this series.

To put it another way: in obviously limited minutes (so grain of salt), Will Barton has a PER of 22.8. Mo has a PER of 4.7.

http://bkref.com/tiny/ffHc8

This is the type of sparkplug player Will has been for us.

Yes the sample size is very small for Barton, but I just like seeing his effort and energy. I think in the series with SAS, we need speedy players that are long enough to create problems for their guards. I just don't see Mo being that guy off the bench. Who knows, maybe Barton will come back to Earth after we make it past the second round. Maybe then we can relive this debate...

 

[Natebishop3]

Yes the sample size is very small for Barton, but I just like seeing his effort and energy. I think in the series with SAS, we need speedy players that are long enough to create problems for their guards. I just don't see Mo being that guy off the bench. Who knows, maybe Barton will come back to Earth after we make it past the second round. Maybe then we can relive this debate...

The biggest difference, to me, is that Barton can play defense. Mo is a fucking sieve on defense.

 

[Mediocre Man]

The biggest difference, to me, is that Barton can play defense. Mo is a fucking sieve on defense.

He plays adequate defense (which is light years better than Mo) But more importantly, the energy both he and T-Rob bring off the bench is infectious to the entire team

 

[magnifier661]

The biggest difference, to me, is that Barton can play defense. Mo is a fucking sieve on defense.

Yeah and honestly, he is a really good finisher around the rim. We need someone able to slash into the paint and score.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yeah and honestly, he is a really good finisher around the rim. We need someone able to slash into the paint and score.

Some of his layups seemed amazingly lucky. Like.... no no no no no.... YES! But I love that he attacks the rim because we really don't have anyone else that does that, outside of Dame.

 

[Natebishop3]

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[BlazerCaravan]

He plays adequate defense (which is light years better than Mo) But more importantly, the energy both he and T-Rob bring off the bench is infectious to the entire team

This is completely, 100% true. Danger Will/Robinson is a great combo for keeping the team from getting down on themselves.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I don't really see this as an either/or situation. They both have their pluses and minuses. Mo basically won Game 4 against Houston for us when he picked Lin's pocket, saved the ball and then hit the HUGE 3. Will basically won Game 4 against San Antonio for us with his energy and effort.

Mo gets a lot more assists than Will. Mo has the highest AST% on the team, both regular season and playoffs. He has the ability to create easy scoring opportunities or his teammates. Will does not (but Will can create easy scoring opportunities for himself). This made Mo more valuable against Houston, which was a very high scoring series. We needed as many easy baskets as we could get to outscore Houston in that series.

But, Will plays MUCH better on-the-ball defense than Mo. Multiple times he poked the ball away from the Spurs guards in Game 4. It usually ended back in the Spurs hands, or out of bounds off Will, but even though he didn't get the steal, it disrupted the Spurs' offensive flow. And, that's what we need against the Spurs. Force their guards to work and run some time off the shot clock and don't just let them penetrate into the paint and pick apart our defense. Which is why Batum on Parker is such a good idea, and why Barton defending their guards on the second unit works well, too.

I like having both options. It also helps that Will's shot is falling right now (which is why his PER is so high). Both guys are high risk/high reward players that make mistakes and force up some bad shots. For now, due to his length and defense, I hope Stotts continues to give Will burn. He definitely made a difference in Game 4. Let's see what he can bring in Game 5.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't really see this as an either/or situation. They both have their pluses and minuses. Mo basically won Game 4 against Houston for us when he picked Lin's pocket, saved the ball and then hit the HUGE 3. Will basically won Game 4 against San Antonio for us with his energy and effort.

Mo gets a lot more assists than Will. Mo has the highest AST% on the team, both regular season and playoffs. He has the ability to create easy scoring opportunities or his teammates. Will does not (but Will can create easy scoring opportunities for himself). This made Mo more valuable against Houston, which was a very high scoring series. We needed as many easy baskets as we could get to outscore Houston in that series.

But, Will plays MUCH better on-the-ball defense than Mo. Multiple times he poked the ball away from the Spurs guards in Game 4. It usually ended back in the Spurs hands, or out of bounds off Will, but even though he didn't get the steal, it disrupted the Spurs' offensive flow. And, that's what we need against the Spurs. Force their guards to work and run some time off the shot clock and don't just let them penetrate into the paint and pick apart our defense. Which is why Batum on Parker is such a good idea, and why Barton defending their guards on the second unit works well, too.

I like having both options. It also helps that Will's shot is falling right now (which is why his PER is so high). Both guys are high risk/high reward players that make mistakes and force up some bad shots. For now, due to his length and defense, I hope Stotts continues to give Will burn. He definitely made a difference in Game 4. Let's see what he can bring in Game 5.

BNM

See, I get that Mo has a high assist%, but how much does he slow down the offense in the process? He dribbles so much, which kills ball movement, which is much of what our offense is predicated on. We are at our best when we move the ball. Mo does not move the ball.

Also, while both Mo and Will take bad shots, Mo tends to take long jumpers and Will tends to attack the rim wildly. I personally would rather have the guy who attacks the rim because that guy will draw more fouls than the guy who shoots a lot of jumpers.

 

[magnifier661]

I don't really see this as an either/or situation. They both have their pluses and minuses. Mo basically won Game 4 against Houston for us when he picked Lin's pocket, saved the ball and then hit the HUGE 3. Will basically won Game 4 against San Antonio for us with his energy and effort.

Mo gets a lot more assists than Will. Mo has the highest AST% on the team, both regular season and playoffs. He has the ability to create easy scoring opportunities or his teammates. Will does not (but Will can create easy scoring opportunities for himself). This made Mo more valuable against Houston, which was a very high scoring series. We needed as many easy baskets as we could get to outscore Houston in that series.

But, Will plays MUCH better on-the-ball defense than Mo. Multiple times he poked the ball away from the Spurs guards in Game 4. It usually ended back in the Spurs hands, or out of bounds off Will, but even though he didn't get the steal, it disrupted the Spurs' offensive flow. And, that's what we need against the Spurs. Force their guards to work and run some time off the shot clock and don't just let them penetrate into the paint and pick apart our defense. Which is why Batum on Parker is such a good idea, and why Barton defending their guards on the second unit works well, too.

I like having both options. It also helps that Will's shot is falling right now (which is why his PER is so high). Both guys are high risk/high reward players that make mistakes and force up some bad shots. For now, due to his length and defense, I hope Stotts continues to give Will burn. He definitely made a difference in Game 4. Let's see what he can bring in Game 5.

BNM

Well said and repped...

On the bold area is my concern. Can will give you this energy on the road? It seems that T. Rob doesn't play as well on the road. I hope both those players bring energy on the road.

 

[mook]

The People's Champ was awesome in Gm 4. That said, can we count on a repeat (or close to) performance? When he's effective the Spurs don't seem to know what to do with him. How do you game plan for chaos? There's a fine line between being aggressive vs out of control, and The Thrill has to force that issue because he's limited in so many facets. You don't tell Will to let the game come to him. He has to play like his hair's on fire to have any chance of positively affecting the game. But we all know you're rolling the dice with him. In this series it doesn't look like we can beat the Spurs playing conventionally for 48 min. They can out-execute us blindfolded. We have to gamble with Will again tonight. The stretches he turns the game into a playground session are a total wild card. That's why in THIS series, Will needs to get the nod ahead of Mo. Still think Mo is better overall, but there's nothing he can bring that the a Spurs don't know how to deal with. On the other hand, Will is giving someone a headache tonight. It could be us, or it could be them.

That is what I was thinking without even thinking it. Nicely put. Repped.

 

[Eastoff]

Mo knows...

 

[tlongII]

Will Barton is not better than Mo Williams. He might get there, but not now.