Trade Idea Will CJ get traded by the deadline?

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Will CJ be traded by the deadline?

  • No

    Votes: 21 35.6%

  • Yes, for a decent return (including at least one draft pick or a promising prospect)

    Votes: 23 39.0%

  • Yes, in a salary dump like the Norm/RoCo trade

    Votes: 15 25.4%
  • Total voters
    59
wizenheimer said:
well, if they really want CJ, then

CJ + Snell for Randle + Burks/Noel

Winslow for Reddish
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I dont think you even need to give up winslow. We'd create a sufficiently sized tpe to absorb Reddish. Just need to keep cognizant of roster spots tho.
 
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wizenheimer said:
gotta have Hart...no Graham and his 4 year contract. Or at least route him to a 3rd team

to make up for the difference between Hart and Graham, Blazers can send that 2025 draft pick they landed Friday. I hear it has decent value
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Graham last year only guaranteed for like 2.5. I'd definitely prefer to route him elsewhere, but if he helps us land another pick, we just use him as instant offense off the bench, like Utah does with Clarkson.
 
I still don't necessarily buy that the first deal is connected to the hopeful next deal, but if we needed to create a TPE to be able to absorb Reddish, that'll make it feel a tiny bit better
 
CJ + DSJ for Randle + Gibson --> 5.9 mil TPE
TPE + future second for Reddish.

Waive Zeller unless you find a taker for Ben Mac to open up a roster spot.

I'd be OK with this.

From a talent perspective a CJ for Randle + Reddish deal would be a homerun given what Cronin just got back in the other deal.
 
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RR7 said:
I still don't necessarily buy that the first deal is connected to the hopeful next deal, but if we needed to create a TPE to be able to absorb Reddish, that'll make it feel a tiny bit better
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ya i think that deal is gonna stand on its own as our tax saving move. We are sufficiently under the tax threshold now that we can make other moves where we take equal salary without worrying about tax implications.
 
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illmatic99 said:
I dont think you even need to give up winslow. We'd create a sufficiently sized tpe to absorb Reddish. Just need to keep cognizant of roster spots tho.
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not with Burks or Noel coming back. Or even Walker. There's not enough margin

It would have to be Randle + Taj.

personally, I do not see the attraction to Reddish. He's a poor shooter and a poor rebounder for 6'8. Is he really any better than Winslow?

I'd rather have one of Burks/Noel and as many draft picks as Portland can squeeze out of them....like a 1st and a couple of 2nds
 
“CJ McCollum and Portland, a couple of teams have been fairly aggressive in their pursuit — New Orleans, the New York Knicks,” Woj said. “McCollum has a lot of value around this league. You know what you’re getting with him. This is a player who adds a lot of maturity to any locker room he’s in. Certainly a dynamic offensive player.

And so I think for Portland you saw them get off significant salary with the Norman Powell trade and moving Robert Covington out. So I think right now, they can wait and see what is the package that they would want to get back for McCollum. But they’re very much engaged in talks. I think by the end of the trade deadline it will be a very different looking Portland Trail Blazers roster.”
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Here's a trade that kinda makes sense for all 4:
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I know Nash said they're not trading Harden now, but if Harden let them know he's leaving at the end of the season, then I think they'd jump at this haul, especially as Simmons would be a pretty much perfect fit in Brooklyn.
Also (according to the Bill Simmons podcast I listened to - not an experience I recommend) the Nets want shooting help, in part because Joe Harris's situation is so uncertain, and could use Fournier.

Knicks get CJ, whom they're supposed to want. We avoid getting their terrible contracts and actually shave $12M off our cap, making the real decision makers very happy. I doubt this trade makes anyone on this board happy, but having seen CJ's negative effect on the team since he came back, think of it as addition by subtraction.
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Wait are you Cronin? That would explain this proposal and some of the others I've seen you make. This is an outright salary dump with legit NOTHING coming back. This is worse than the actual trade Cronin just did. Unreal!
 
wizenheimer said:
not with Burks or Noel coming back. Or even Walker. There's not enough margin

It would have to be Randle + Taj.

personally, I do not see the attraction to Reddish. He's a poor shooter and a poor rebounder for 6'8. Is he really any better than Winslow?

I'd rather have one of Burks/Noel and as many draft picks as Portland can squeeze out of them....like a 1st and a couple of 2nds
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i think the appeal with Reddish stems from his play when he's gotten consistent minutes. But the intel around him after his ATL departure has painted him as a guy who wants to be spoonfed touches/shots while his defensive numbers took a nosedive this year. I've been comparing him to Nas quite a bit this year and showed how our guy is better.

(but yes, he's much better than Winslow).
 
As Woj described above, the Knicks and the Pelicans are two teams that have been heavily linked to a McCollum swoop. However, the same can be said for the Atlanta Hawks and the Dallas Mavericks, too. Needless to say, the Blazers veteran guard is a wanted man in the market right now.


With this being the case, Portland could bide their time here. A bidding war for McCollum could be imminent — if it hasn’t started already — and the Blazers should be very careful in picking the best package that will suit their needs.

Let’s not forget that Damian Lillard isn’t getting any younger and there’s no denying that his prime years are winding down. McCollum is one of this team’s last remaining major assets and this trade could be make or break for them in terms of Dame’s legacy in Portland.
 
wizenheimer said:
not with Burks or Noel coming back. Or even Walker. There's not enough margin

It would have to be Randle + Taj.

personally, I do not see the attraction to Reddish. He's a poor shooter and a poor rebounder for 6'8. Is he really any better than Winslow?

I'd rather have one of Burks/Noel and as many draft picks as Portland can squeeze out of them....like a 1st and a couple of 2nds
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We created a TPE in our deal with the Clippers, so we have one large enough to absorb Reddish if we so desired.
 
Reddish is also a RFA this summer, btw.

Does a Dame-Ant-(Nas/Reddish)-Randle-Nurk lineup make us better than we've been?

Books would be much cleaner after extensions.
 
RR7 said:
We created a TPE in our deal with the Clippers, so we have one large enough to absorb Reddish if we so desired.
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i don't think we're gonna touch that. any players absorbed into that would put us back into the tax.
 
RR7 said:
We created a TPE in our deal with the Clippers, so we have one large enough to absorb Reddish if we so desired.
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yeah, I saw that

I just can't see him as the make or break component of this trade though
 
illmatic99 said:
Reddish is also a RFA this summer, btw.

Does a Dame-Ant-(Nas/Reddish)-Randle-Nurk lineup make us better than we've been?

Books would be much cleaner after extensions.
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It definitely allows Randle to play his more natural position. I like him and playing next to Nurk would be noice.
 
illmatic99 said:
i don't think we're gonna touch that. any players absorbed into that would put us back into the tax.
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I haven't done the math on how far below the tax Portland is right now. I'm thinking 2-3M. Reddish has a 4.7M salary, so the offset would be how much under CJ's salary Randle and Burks/Noel are. And Portland can add Snell to the outgoing package for extra margin
 
illmatic99 said:
Reddish is also a RFA this summer, btw.

Does a Dame-Ant-(Nas/Reddish)-Randle-Nurk lineup make us better than we've been?

Books would be much cleaner after extensions.
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That makes us better, but it doesn't make me super happy. I'd much rather get Jones + Hart + a pick from the Pelicans and I absolutely think they can and should do that for CJ. They already have Ingram and Zion, Jones while super solid with upside is nowhere NEAR the impact of CJ nor as good a fit next to Zion and Ingram.

I also hope we apply pressure to the Sixer to get Simmons instead. Randle is wayyyy too offensive only to put next to Dame and Ant which is clearly our starting backcourt (this is actually the only credit I will give Cronin, recognizing what we have in Ant and making moves accordingly assuming CJ is dealt). No to Randle we need defenders like Jones or Simmons to put next to Dame + Ant + Nurk. Plus Randle plus Nurk is similar to Simmons plus Nurk clogging up the paint without the DEFENSE of Simmons next to Nurk. Sure he can hit FT's but he brings some of the same spacing problems that Simmons does and 1/10th the defense.
 
illmatic99 said:
i don't think we're gonna touch that. any players absorbed into that would put us back into the tax.
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If it was CJ for Randle and Taj, I think we'd still stay under absorbing him, no?
 
Idog1976 said:
That makes us better, but it doesn't make me super happy. I'd much rather get Jones + Hart + a pick from the Pelicans and I absolutely think they can and should do that for CJ. They already have Ingram and Zion, Jones while super solid with upside is nowhere NEAR the impact of CJ nor as good a fit next to Zion and Ingram.

I also hope we apply pressure to the Sixer to get Simmons instead. Randle is wayyyy too offensive only to put next to Dame and Ant which is clearly our starting backcourt (this is actually the only credit I will give Cronin, recognizing what we have in Ant and making moves accordingly assuming CJ is dealt). No to Randle we need defenders like Jones or Simmons to put next to Dame + Ant + Nurk. Plus Randle plus Nurk is similar to Simmons plus Nurk clogging up the paint without the DEFENSE of Simmons next to Nurk. Sure he can hit FT's but he brings some of the same spacing problems that Simmons does and 1/10th the defense.
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If we could get Jones and Hart in a CJ to NOLA trade... along with a pick, that would be unbelievably cool. Unfortunately as cool as it would be it also seems extremely unbelievable that they'd do it.
 
wizenheimer said:
I haven't done the math on how far below the tax Portland is right now. I'm thinking 2-3M. Reddish has a 4.7M salary, so the offset would be how much under CJ's salary Randle and Burks/Noel are. And Portland can add Snell to the outgoing package for extra margin
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we're only about 900k under
 
wizenheimer said:
I haven't done the math on how far below the tax Portland is right now. I'm thinking 2-3M. Reddish has a 4.7M salary, so the offset would be how much under CJ's salary Randle and Burks/Noel are. And Portland can add Snell to the outgoing package for extra margin
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it's only 900k under or so. Any additions of our minimum guys to deals would only be to clear roster spots
 
Idog1976 said:
That makes us better, but it doesn't make me super happy. I'd much rather get Jones + Hart + a pick from the Pelicans and I absolutely think they can and should do that for CJ. They already have Ingram and Zion, Jones while super solid with upside is nowhere NEAR the impact of CJ nor as good a fit next to Zion and Ingram.

I also hope we apply pressure to the Sixer to get Simmons instead. Randle is wayyyy too offensive only to put next to Dame and Ant which is clearly our starting backcourt (this is actually the only credit I will give Cronin, recognizing what we have in Ant and making moves accordingly assuming CJ is dealt). No to Randle we need defenders like Jones or Simmons to put next to Dame + Ant + Nurk. Plus Randle plus Nurk is similar to Simmons plus Nurk clogging up the paint without the DEFENSE of Simmons next to Nurk. Sure he can hit FT's but he brings some of the same spacing problems that Simmons does and 1/10th the defense.
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randle was one of the best defensive bigs in the league last year, but nearly every metric. but yes, he has to be engaged to get that effort on that end.
 
illmatic99 said:
yes. I'm considering Randle + 5-8 mil filler AND Reddish.
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if we did Randle and Taj, that opens an additional 4.1 million. Reddish is at 4.6, so we'd still be about 400K below the tax. More, because we'd have to include like Snell and Zeller for roster issues.
 
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then follow up with :

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ideally with a pick.
 

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