OT Will Portland Become A War Zone This Weekend?

[TorturedBlazerFan]

That's not what facism is. And I'm not defending the people, but the tenets. Also, blind followers?!? Surely you mean the morally bankrupt that defend, actual defend, and follow this president.

It really depends, the definition of Fascism has changed quite a bit and has different meanings. For some its a very nationalistic, and often times racist thing.

 

[Natebishop3]

Don't be daft. Hating an ideology is much different than having a hateful ideology.

I find that interesting because I know many liberals will strongly insist that people who hate Islam are racist and bigoted. Meanwhile many liberals have gotten to the point where their hatred for conservatives could very easily parallel that same bigotry. I have seen people equate all conservatives to Nazis. I have seen them equate conservatives to racists. I have seen them call conservatives uneducated and stupid. The vitriol between the two parties in this country is completely out of control. But the issue is that one side seems to think they have the moral high ground and that their cause is just, up to and including violence. I have seen liberals talk about "punching nazis." I have seen many liberals defend the riots and ANTIFA. Make no mistake, but ANTIFA is a hateful ideology as well.

I support neither side and I am disgusted with those of you who do.

 

[calvin natt]

Just remember there are good people on both sides

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Just remember there are good people on both sides

In this case, I honestly don't think theres much of a case that ANTIFA or the Proud boys have “good people” on their side, at least not the ones who will be screaming at each other for attention... Maybe Im jaded, but I just think the extreme’s of these different views breeds contempt and hatred, and hate is almost never able to be precise and pointed, it spreads.

 

[The Professional Fan]

I pose the same challenge to you that I posed earlier. Show me a single conservative or neo-nazi protest or riot that happened prior to the riots after Trump was elected.

The part that made no sense to me was why would people riot and/or harass a city that overwhelmingly voted against Trump in the election? It made no sense then, and it makes no sense now. All it did was bring unwanted attention to our city, and attract scummy groups like the Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer to Portland.

I'm not saying that ANTIFA wouldn't exist at all without the creation of groups like the Proud Boys, I'm saying that the Proud Boys would not be in Portland if ANTIFA wasn't here protesting first. ANTIFA created the environment that they're now supposedly counter-protesting.

Antifa didn’t do the damage. Anarchists did. Antifa is standing up to the dip shit invaders now.

 

[The Professional Fan]

I’d love to see how this (or any) administration would go about enforcing this.

 

[Propagandist]

I find that interesting because I know many liberals will strongly insist that people who hate Islam are racist and bigoted. Meanwhile many liberals have gotten to the point where their hatred for conservatives could very easily parallel that same bigotry. I have seen people equate all conservatives to Nazis. I have seen them equate conservatives to racists. I have seen them call conservatives uneducated and stupid. The vitriol between the two parties in this country is completely out of control. But the issue is that one side seems to think they have the moral high ground and that their cause is just, up to and including violence. I have seen liberals talk about "punching nazis." I have seen many liberals defend the riots and ANTIFA. Make no mistake, but ANTIFA is a hateful ideology as well.

I support neither side and I am disgusted with those of you who do.

One side does have the moral high ground is the thing though. You can't equate dehumanizing innocents with punching Nazis, or I guess you somehow are, which is the problem in my opinion.

 

[Propagandist]

In this case, I honestly don't think theres much of a case that ANTIFA or the Proud boys have “good people” on their side, at least not the ones who will be screaming at each other for attention... Maybe Im jaded, but I just think the extreme’s of these different views breeds contempt and hatred, and hate is almost never able to be precise and pointed, it spreads.

Contact them and tell them what you think and see what they say.

 

[Hoopguru]

I'm embarrassed for you. Research before you regurgitate. Hell, email Rose City Antifa them and ask all your questions and see how you feel afterwards...unless you are one of those "very fine people on both sides" kinda guys.

Prop...last year my 15 year old grand daughter, two friends and her mother were downtown and were verbally abused with hate speech and one actually threatened to tear my grand daughters shirt off that said "Youth for Christ". They were all in black and more than likely part of the Antifa traffic control police.Yes they are church going girls but have no hate for anyone and certainly wasn't downtown to vandalize property and spew hate.
I've yet to see Antifa express love/support for our country and freedoms. Instead they prefer anarchy against our government/corporations and citizens that respect and love our country.
The right wing nuts are just as bad imo, I think antifa would gain more support by being smarter and not threatening anyone young or old or destroying property and speaking about peace , good citizenship and revealing who they are so their message would be heard.

 

[riverman]

One thing is guaranteed....whenever you have a group protesting, it will most assuredly be speckled with a few people there for the wrong reasons....rage for the sake of rage. My take is that I pay taxes for public services that are supposedly trained to keep the peace....the ball is in their court. No angry mob is trustworthy.

 

[H.C.]

Punching someone you deem a Nazi only proves what they believe is right in their eyes.
That's the response they want.
You cannot fight violence with violence.
While One group might've been formed for the right reasons. The way One group handles themselves doesn't promote anything but more violence.
Violence breeds violence.

 

[CupWizier]

Yes well lining up on the streets every month to beat on each other and yell a lot seems like a great way to spend their time...

I find ANTIFA has always been just as hateful as the Proud boys. Just because its hating an ideology you don't agree with doesn't make it less hateful. All these protests/counter protests do, is inspire more hate.

All of these people need to be taken from Portland, sure I may “agree” more with being against Fascism, but not a single part of my being believes for a second that ANTIFA is some group of good guys just trying to help the world out by getting rid of “hate”.

Neither group is innocent, but apparently the president and Ted Cruz only want to point the finger at Antifa and label them a domestic terror group but no such thing for the right winger groups like proud boy as such. It's actions like this that continues the seperation of our country. trump continues to divide this country with his you are either with me or you are the enemy.

 

[Chris Craig]

Of course Trump will only point the finger at Antifa and not his supporters. So much for him denouncing white supremacists

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Neither group is innocent, but apparently the president and Ted Cruz only want to point the finger at Antifa and label them a domestic terror group but no such thing for the right winger groups like proud boy as such. It's actions like this that continues the seperation of our country. trump continues to divide this country with his you are either with me or you are the enemy.

Yeah, I agree with that. No where did I ever say I supported the proud boys or Trump or anything like that.

 

[calvin natt]

Of course Trump will only point the finger at Antifa and not his supporters. So much for him denouncing white supremacists

He can’t denounce himself now, can he?

 

[Hoopguru]

Yeah, I agree with that. No where did I ever say I supported the proud boys or Trump or anything like that.

I don't support either one, there punks. However, I have only seen Antifa destroy property and mob attack someone who was alone. Plus hey threatened my grand daughter so in order for them to get on my good side they better take off their mask and show some respect, then be heard rather than come across like a bunch of frightened pussies.

 

[The Professional Fan]

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I don't support either one, there punks. However, I have only seen Antifa destroy property and mob attack someone who was alone. Plus hey threatened my grand daughter so in order for them to get on my good side they better take off their mask and show some respect, then be heard rather than come across like a bunch of frightened pussies.

Theres part of me that, “gets it”, they see an ideology they believe is all about hate, or at the least very much opposed to theirs, represented by Trump, or the proud boys and they want to, “combat” that, by protesting. Just like the proud boys, see liberalism and an ideology that they disagree with and want to voice their opinions as well. However, I think its gone way beyond voicing the opinions, and actual protests. Its divisive, destructive and violent.

Like I said earlier, Im much more inclined to be against Fascism especially the versions of it espoused by the far right in this country, but I am not at all on board with the methods, and rhetoric that ANTIFA has used as I dont find that to be any better.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[The Professional Fan]

 

[Hoopguru]

Theres part of me that, “gets it”, they see an ideology they believe is all about hate, or at the least very much opposed to theirs, represented by Trump, or the proud boys and they want to, “combat” that, by protesting. Just like the proud boys, see liberalism and an ideology that they disagree with and want to voice their opinions as well. However, I think its gone way beyond voicing the opinions, and actual protests. Its divisive, destructive and violent.

Like I said earlier, Im much more inclined to be against Fascism especially the versions of it espoused by the far right in this country, but I am not at all on board with the methods, and rhetoric that ANTIFA has used as I dont find that to be any better.

Agree. Even before Trump they were in Seattle and Portland rioting against Wall Street & burning flags and destroying property.
heck, if the Hells Angles come to town and protest something in a peaceful manner Im all for it, once they get crazy and destroy stuff and abuse citizens is where i have an issue. Regardless of what side.
Anita wear mask because they are afraid to stand up and speak and be identified, but the main reason is so they can be destructive without being identified.

 

[The Professional Fan]

Karmel nailed it

 

[The Professional Fan]

Agree. Even before Trump they were in Seattle and Portland rioting against Wall Street & burning flags and destroying property.
heck, if the Hells Angles come to town and protest something in a peaceful manner Im all for it, once they get crazy and destroy stuff and abuse citizens is where i have an issue. Regardless of what side.
Anita wear mask because they are afraid to stand up and speak and be identified, but the main reason is so they can be destructive without being identified.

Those are anarchists, not Antifa.

 

[The Professional Fan]

Here’s what I don’t get. They have their guy in the White House. It will never get better for these racist assholes. What are they marching for? Shouldn’t they be happy with all the winning? What has their panties all bunched up?

 

[MarAzul]

Surely you mean the morally bankrupt that defend, actual defend, and follow this president.

If this is intended to part of a discussion, your avatar is spot on.

 

[MarAzul]

Of course Trump will only point the finger at Antifa and not his supporters. So much for him denouncing white supremacists

It is funny how the left wants to hear the signals of which they approve or profess being offended.

 

[Hoopguru]

Those are anarchists, not Antifa.

Pretty much the same people. When they burn the flag destroy property hurt people thats anarchy.
Its the same dudes at the all the protect that wear mask and protect wall street or ICE.

 

[CupWizier]

I don't support either one, there punks. However, I have only seen Antifa destroy property and mob attack someone who was alone. Plus hey threatened my grand daughter so in order for them to get on my good side they better take off their mask and show some respect, then be heard rather than come across like a bunch of frightened pussies.

If you have only seen antifa cause property damage then you aren't paying attention as both groups have had plenty of situations causing destruction of property.

 

[The Professional Fan]

Pretty much the same people. When they burn the flag destroy property hurt people thats anarchy.
Its the same dudes at the all the protect that wear mask and protect wall street or ICE.

But you’re wrong

 

[The Professional Fan]

Cops have done a tremendous job so far on the west side. Right wing nut jobs crossed the river and dip shit Antifa seem to be following them. Ugh. This is gonna happen on the east side. I hope the cops had a plan for that