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I wonder if we could get Harkless and filler for Baze. It’s be great to have Mo back. I’d throw in a pick.
 
I assume "standing pat" means Portland doesn't like what they're being offered and they're threatening to do nothing if the offers don't get better. Unortunately, I think everyone knows Olshey has to do something and this is the a false threat.
 
Tince said:
I assume "standing pat" means Portland doesn't like what they're being offered and they're threatening to do nothing if the offers don't get better. Unortunately, I think everyone knows Olshey has to do something and this is the a false threat.
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or, like tester argued somewhere here, and others have wondered....Jody Allen may have drawn a line in the sand about any higher tax this season, and no tax next season, and there simply aren't any trades out there that meet those requirements

I've always thought the assumption that either Whiteside or Bazemore will be traded is a tenuous assumption simply because there's a whole bunch of expiring contracts available right now. Olshey was an idiot in 2016, but he wasn't the only idiot. That was idiot summer, and this coming deadline is it's final echo
 
wizenheimer said:
or, like tester argued somewhere here, and others have wondered....Jody Allen may have drawn a line in the sand about any higher tax this season, and no tax next season, and there simply aren't any trades out there that meet those requirements

I've always thought the assumption that either Whiteside or Bazemore will be traded is a tenuous assumption simply because there's a whole bunch of expiring contracts available right now. Olshey was an idiot in 2016, but he wasn't the only idiot. That was idiot summer, and this coming deadline is it's final echo
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Very possible, but to date I have not heard anything from Jody Allen, the team, or even reports that she wants to tighten the budget. The CBA has made it so overspending punishes you, whether the owner is ok with it or not. If I had to guess, we probably will let one of either Baze or Whiteside expire. Letting both expire would be a major setback given Dame's age.
 
blazerkor said:
I actually do have a problem with this, if accurate. We have assets that we can trade. I think there will be a lot of interest in Whiteside and we should get what we can for him. I know there are a lot of expiring contracts in the league right now but Whiteside's has to be the most attractive given the year his is having, just letting him walk would be a shame. I'd also like to get something for Bazemore but that might prove to be difficult.

If I really had my way I would trade CJ, Baze and our 2020 first rounder to Philly for Harris and Richardson. Then I would trade Whiteside and a second rounder to the Cavs for Love. I know a lot of you aren't high on Love but I think he's still a great rebounder, three point shooter, passer and winner. Our lineup until Nurk and Zach get back would be Dame, Richardson, Harris, Melo, Love. Everyone in that starting lineup can shoot the three our defense can't get much worse (we sacrifice some interior D for much better perimeter D). Our floor spacing would be amazing. When Nurk gets back Melo would go to the bench. Next season the rotation would look something like Dame, Richardson, Harris, Love, Nurk, Zach, Ant, Little and possibly Hood... we'd even probably get someone new with the tax payer's MLE. I know none of this will happen... Neil will never trade CJ, the team doesn't seem to want Love's contract and there are a lot of moving pieces.

With all of that said, I still hold out hope that Neil will wake up and do what he has to do to get some value out of Whiteside instead of just letting him walk.
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I don't see Philly interested in dealing Harris this year.
 
blazerkor said:
I actually do have a problem with this, if accurate. We have assets that we can trade. I think there will be a lot of interest in Whiteside and we should get what we can for him. I know there are a lot of expiring contracts in the league right now but Whiteside's has to be the most attractive given the year his is having, just letting him walk would be a shame. I'd also like to get something for Bazemore but that might prove to be difficult.

If I really had my way I would trade CJ, Baze and our 2020 first rounder to Philly for Harris and Richardson. Then I would trade Whiteside and a second rounder to the Cavs for Love. I know a lot of you aren't high on Love but I think he's still a great rebounder, three point shooter, passer and winner. Our lineup until Nurk and Zach get back would be Dame, Richardson, Harris, Melo, Love. Everyone in that starting lineup can shoot the three our defense can't get much worse (we sacrifice some interior D for much better perimeter D). Our floor spacing would be amazing. When Nurk gets back Melo would go to the bench. Next season the rotation would look something like Dame, Richardson, Harris, Love, Nurk, Zach, Ant, Little and possibly Hood... we'd even probably get someone new with the tax payer's MLE. I know none of this will happen... Neil will never trade CJ, the team doesn't seem to want Love's contract and there are a lot of moving pieces.

With all of that said, I still hold out hope that Neil will wake up and do what he has to do to get some value out of Whiteside instead of just letting him walk.
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I don't think the demand for Whiteside is all that large. It seems to me his critics were right in that he's a real stat stuffer but one with questionable impact.

Best case scenario IMO, would be if Neil could get Hassan to sign a team friendly contract ala Nurk. Even a two year deal with a player option would work well for both parties.

Ideally, the Bosnian Beast's minutes would be limited long term so that he can have a historic healthy career with the Blazers. Never thought Stotts would become Sarge. Driving stars into the ground with high minutes and immovable gameplans while snubbing the future.
 
HailBlazers said:
I don't think the demand for Whiteside is all that large. It seems to me his critics were right in that he's a real stat stuffer but one with questionable impact.

Best case scenario IMO, would be if Neil could get Hassan to sign a team friendly contract ala Nurk. Even a two year deal with a player option would work well for both parties.

Ideally, the Bosnian Beast's minutes would be limited long term so that he can have a historic healthy career with the Blazers. Never thought Stotts would become Sarge. Driving stars into the ground with high minutes and immovable gameplans while snubbing the future.
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lolllll questionable impact, this team wouldn’t have a win without him.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
I wonder if we could get Harkless and filler for Baze. It’s be great to have Mo back. I’d throw in a pick.
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Any GM don't look to improve his team he shouldn't be a GM. But I don't think Olshey trying to stand Pat it more likely the 2 expired contract in Whiteside and Bazemore he not getting no interest and if someone is the return is not good enough for Olshey.
 
I've had a more positive view of Olshey the past few months, but them standing pat and not doing anything would be inexcusable to the point that I would never view him in a positive light ever again. I don't believe Windhorst, as I believe Olshey is smarter than that.
 
HailBlazers said:
I don't think the demand for Whiteside is all that large. It seems to me his critics were right in that he's a real stat stuffer but one with questionable impact.

Best case scenario IMO, would be if Neil could get Hassan to sign a team friendly contract ala Nurk. Even a two year deal with a player option would work well for both parties.

Ideally, the Bosnian Beast's minutes would be limited long term so that he can have a historic healthy career with the Blazers. Never thought Stotts would become Sarge. Driving stars into the ground with high minutes and immovable gameplans while snubbing the future.
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It's not that their isn't a supply of production from Whiteside, there's just no demand for that production. In other words, the demand for him is low not because he has "questionable impact", but because there's really no playoff teams that:
A.) Need a C
B.) Have trade-worthy contracts to match salary to bring in Whiteside
C.) Have more than 2nd round picks to give up for him

The only team that I think might give up assets for Whiteside is Dallas trading Dwight Powell, Courtney Lee, and Golden State's 2020 2nd round pick for him... But even that's questionable.

His trade value lies in his expiring contract, not his play.
 
blazerkor said:
I actually do have a problem with this, if accurate. We have assets that we can trade. I think there will be a lot of interest in Whiteside and we should get what we can for him. I know there are a lot of expiring contracts in the league right now but Whiteside's has to be the most attractive given the year his is having, just letting him walk would be a shame. I'd also like to get something for Bazemore but that might prove to be difficult.

If I really had my way I would trade CJ, Baze and our 2020 first rounder to Philly for Harris and Richardson. Then I would trade Whiteside and a second rounder to the Cavs for Love. I know a lot of you aren't high on Love but I think he's still a great rebounder, three point shooter, passer and winner. Our lineup until Nurk and Zach get back would be Dame, Richardson, Harris, Melo, Love. Everyone in that starting lineup can shoot the three our defense can't get much worse (we sacrifice some interior D for much better perimeter D). Our floor spacing would be amazing. When Nurk gets back Melo would go to the bench. Next season the rotation would look something like Dame, Richardson, Harris, Love, Nurk, Zach, Ant, Little and possibly Hood... we'd even probably get someone new with the tax payer's MLE. I know none of this will happen... Neil will never trade CJ, the team doesn't seem to want Love's contract and there are a lot of moving pieces.

With all of that said, I still hold out hope that Neil will wake up and do what he has to do to get some value out of Whiteside instead of just letting him walk.
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I gave you the like simply for the sentence;

' I would trade CJ.'
 
BonesJones said:
It's not that their isn't a supply of production from Whiteside, there's just no demand for that production. In other words, the demand for him is low not because he has "questionable impact", but because there's really no playoff teams that:
A.) Need a C
B.) Have trade-worthy contracts to match salary to bring in Whiteside
C.) Have more than 2nd round picks to give up for him

The only team that I think might give up assets for Whiteside is Dallas trading Dwight Powell, Courtney Lee, and Golden State's 2020 2nd round pick for him... But even that's questionable.

His trade value lies in his expiring contract, not his play.
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I think Boston could have some interest in Whiteside.
 
BigGameDamian said:
I think Boston could have some interest in Whiteside.
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Doubt it, but even if they were, who would they be willing to trade for him to match salary? They wouldnt want to trade the contracts theyd need to trade away in order to match salary. Thats went a meant by "B.)"
 
I read this as waiver wire. Just seems like there is a roster spot available for someone and getting Nurk and Skal back could help.
 
kjironman1 said:
I read this as waiver wire. Just seems like there is a roster spot available for someone and getting Nurk and Skal back could help.
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I don't know when Nurk will be back...maybe soon, maybe Feb like has been predicted several times

the report on Zach was that he'd have his shoulder re-evaluated in about 4 months after surgery. So that could happen sometime around March, either in the first week or later. I'm assuming if the surgeon/doctor clears him for contact he could begin practicing then but it would probably still take 2-3 weeks after that before he was ready to return. That might be the end of March, or 1st part of April. Portland's last game is April 15. Seems like if Zach recovered normally, he'd only play in 5-10 games at most. I just don't see a reason to push that; in fact I see good reason to let him have the off-season to recover and rebuild before he starts the NBA grind again. I'm not sure what the stats are but it sure seems that one of the most recurring injuries is a shoulder injury, and he's not exactly a physical beast like Dwight Howard
 
beast crnjo said:
We would have 20 mil in cap space if they walk right? Sign kanter to be our backup at 8 mil. We should be getting a lotto pick as well.

I think that team could be a force.
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Nope. It will be closer to $14 assuming Hood picks up his option. It will be just a little more than the MLE
 
tester551 said:
Nope. It will be closer to $14 assuming Hood picks up his option. It will be just a little more than the MLE
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might be quite a bit lower than that. IIRC, the NBA sent out a projection last fall of a salary cap next year of around 116M. But after the Morey vs China disaster, and Trump's trade war, I read that the NBA sent out another memo to teams suggesting that the 116M projection might be lowered, perhaps significantly. Whether that will happen or not I don't know

But say for giggles the cap remains static (there was chatter of a 10-15% drop but that seems extreme). That would mean a 109M cap. Blazers, with Hood and Hezonja picking up their options (likely?) would be at about 97.2M. But that's for only 9 players so Portland would be assessed 3 roster charges of 900K putting their 'payroll' around 100M. Now, if they use their 1st round pick and had 2 roster charges, they'd be around 101M, and that would leave them with 8M in space, less than an MLE. If the cap actually contracts, they'd have less, if the China thing is overblown, they'd have more

and none of that accounts for Skal. His cap-hold will be 7M. And Melo's cap-hold will be 1.7M although that won't matter really. But with Skal, Portland at least has some control over only the 3rd player they have that's over 6'8 (the other two coming off major injuries). I can't imagine Portland just letting him go after what happened this season

in other words, we might not see cap-space having much of an impact
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't know when Nurk will be back...maybe soon, maybe Feb like has been predicted several times

the report on Zach was that he'd have his shoulder re-evaluated in about 4 months after surgery. So that could happen sometime around March, either in the first week or later. I'm assuming if the surgeon/doctor clears him for contact he could begin practicing then but it would probably still take 2-3 weeks after that before he was ready to return. That might be the end of March, or 1st part of April. Portland's last game is April 15. Seems like if Zach recovered normally, he'd only play in 5-10 games at most. I just don't see a reason to push that; in fact I see good reason to let him have the off-season to recover and rebuild before he starts the NBA grind again. I'm not sure what the stats are but it sure seems that one of the most recurring injuries is a shoulder injury, and he's not exactly a physical beast like Dwight Howard
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He was saying on his Twitter he might be clear for non contact starting on all star break and reevaluate 1st week of March. If he clear contact then I would look him coming back by mid March or sooner.
 
BigGameDamian said:
I think Boston could have some interest in Whiteside.
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We could save $20 million per year if we traded Whiteside for Kanter. In rebounds per minute, they are #2 and #4 in the NBA this season. Also the same in PER.

Kanter would be satisfied backing up Nurkic, while Whiteside wouldn't.

Do it, Olshey! You would reverse one of your biggest errors ever, which was to take Kanter's re-signing for granted, spooking him into running.

(I'll make up the $20M to make the trade work.)
 
So we're just doing the same wait and see bullshit. LoL.... Been down that road before.
 
blazerkor said:
I actually do have a problem with this, if accurate. We have assets that we can trade. I think there will be a lot of interest in Whiteside and we should get what we can for him. I know there are a lot of expiring contracts in the league right now but Whiteside's has to be the most attractive given the year his is having, just letting him walk would be a shame. I'd also like to get something for Bazemore but that might prove to be difficult.

If I really had my way I would trade CJ, Baze and our 2020 first rounder to Philly for Harris and Richardson. Then I would trade Whiteside and a second rounder to the Cavs for Love. I know a lot of you aren't high on Love but I think he's still a great rebounder, three point shooter, passer and winner. Our lineup until Nurk and Zach get back would be Dame, Richardson, Harris, Melo, Love. Everyone in that starting lineup can shoot the three our defense can't get much worse (we sacrifice some interior D for much better perimeter D). Our floor spacing would be amazing. When Nurk gets back Melo would go to the bench. Next season the rotation would look something like Dame, Richardson, Harris, Love, Nurk, Zach, Ant, Little and possibly Hood... we'd even probably get someone new with the tax payer's MLE. I know none of this will happen... Neil will never trade CJ, the team doesn't seem to want Love's contract and there are a lot of moving pieces.

With all of that said, I still hold out hope that Neil will wake up and do what he has to do to get some value out of Whiteside instead of just letting him walk.
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Maybe Whiteside could be traded for a second round pick. With such a low return I'm fine keeping him and seeing if he ends up interested to resign as a backup.

If you can get a first round pick sure you do the trade... I highly doubt he has that value.

Andre Drummond is available as well and possibly not even worth a first round pick.
 
wizenheimer said:
might be quite a bit lower than that. IIRC, the NBA sent out a projection last fall of a salary cap next year of around 116M. But after the Morey vs China disaster, and Trump's trade war, I read that the NBA sent out another memo to teams suggesting that the 116M projection might be lowered, perhaps significantly. Whether that will happen or not I don't know

But say for giggles the cap remains static (there was chatter of a 10-15% drop but that seems extreme). That would mean a 109M cap. Blazers, with Hood and Hezonja picking up their options (likely?) would be at about 97.2M. But that's for only 9 players so Portland would be assessed 3 roster charges of 900K putting their 'payroll' around 100M. Now, if they use their 1st round pick and had 2 roster charges, they'd be around 101M, and that would leave them with 8M in space, less than an MLE. If the cap actually contracts, they'd have less, if the China thing is overblown, they'd have more

and none of that accounts for Skal. His cap-hold will be 7M. And Melo's cap-hold will be 1.7M although that won't matter really. But with Skal, Portland at least has some control over only the 3rd player they have that's over 6'8 (the other two coming off major injuries). I can't imagine Portland just letting him go after what happened this season

in other words, we might not see cap-space having much of an impact
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True. But letting Hassan and Bazemore comtracts expire without getting junk in return gives us the chance to resign Zach and Simon's to valuable deals, or use the MLE, etc.

Getting overpaid contracts in return for Hassan or Bazemore would hamstring us similar to Meyers/Turner/Crabbe junk did.

There is no trade that makes us a contender this year or next year to do now. I'm fine playing our the season then make changes in the summer.
 
Good. Sign / trade a 2nd for Justin Patton or Ivan Rabb. Sign Kenny Wooten.

Don't take on big contracts or more years. Load manage Dame and CJ, develop Ant and Gary Trent. Its a lost year - even if you sneak into the playoffs, you wont make it past the 2nd round and it will take too big of a toll on Dame and CJ.
 
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