OT Winning Time: The Rise of the Lakers Dynasty

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Natebishop3 said:
It's one thing to change history if the expectation from the viewer is the movie isn't really based on fact. A perfect example of this is Inglorious Basterds. The movie takes place during WWII, and there are some historical figures in it, but everyone knows that the movie isn't based on reality. Hitler didn't die in a movie theater in Paris. Everyone knows this (at least I hope) and we all understand that the movie is taking major liberties in the name of entertainment.

That's not the case with Winning Time.
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There's a few people in government who probably believe it was fact based.
 
julius said:
Minor things don't matter. Implying they had losses against teams they *didn't* lose to is another. In the same episode they had the teams record written on a chalkboard (implying they were 40-16) vs the Celtics record (I think 41-13?).

Only problem is, the Lakers were never 40-16, they were 39-17 at that point. So why not just put the actual record of the team down, as if saying 40-17 is so much worse? Why lie about such a small thing? And if you're lying about such a small thing (or if lying is too harsh for you, how about embellish), that just makes me question every thing you're saying.
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The movie Fargo claims it's a true story.

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It's not. Now I question everything they showed in the movie.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The movie Fargo claims it's a true story.

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It's not. Now I question everything they showed in the movie.
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Was fargo a well known, and documented thing?

Because the Lakers are a well known and documented thing.

Can I easily look up stuff about the plot of fargo? No.

Can I easily look up stuff about the Lakers 79-80 season? Yes.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fargo_(1996_film)#Plot
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You just linked me to the plot of the movie.

Link me to actual events that happened during the movie.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/


https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/1980.html


https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/1980_games.html



Fri, Feb 8, 1980 Box Score @ New Jersey Nets W OT 125 120 40 17 W 3

The Lakers did not play on christmas that year.

The Lakers beat the Pacers both times

Wed, Jan 2, 1980 Box Score @ Indiana Pacers W 127 120 29 13 W 4

Sun, Nov 18, 1979 Box Score Indiana Pacers W 127 104 14 5 W 2

and the Pistons both times

Fri, Dec 14, 1979 Box Score Detroit Pistons W 138 122 21 10 W 2

Fri, Jan 11, 1980 Box Score @ Detroit Pistons W 123 100 30 15 W 1

There's a reason why Jerry West is suing them, and why Magic and Kareem have both said it wasn't accurate.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I can't believe we're pearl-clutching over the fucking Lakers.
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I have friends who are laker fans (hyaha, I know "yeah right, you have friends") and trust me, they're far more pissed about this than we are. I find it annoying from a factual point of view.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yes... but it's not the REAL story, is it?
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It's not and it is about people that we all saw in real life but it's a lot closer to the real story than Braveheart or a ton of other historical fiction films or series. This is not a documentary and Adam McKay makes that clear it's a piece of entertainment based on a moment in time. Every episode has a disclaimer at the end of it that says "Some of the names have been changed and some of the events and characters have been fictionalized, modified or composited for dramatic purposes."

I realize a lot of you lived through this and I guess in a way (an unconscious infantile way) I did too but just because it doesn't match up with the reality that you experienced doesn't make it bad. It makes it a dramatization. This is the guy that made Anchorman about the same basic period of time. He likes the basics of the story and couldn't give a shit about the minutia. Maybe it's because I was an infant and little kid during this time period but this is comedic historical fiction, so I give it a fucking pass on accuracy in the interest of entertainment.
 
blazerkor said:
It's not and it is about people that we all saw in real life but it's a lot closer to the real story than Braveheart or a ton of other historical fiction films or series. This is not a documentary and Adam McKay makes that clear it's a piece of entertainment based on a moment in time. Every episode has a disclaimer at the end of it that says "Some of the names have been changed and some of the events and characters have been fictionalized, modified or composited for dramatic purposes."

I realize a lot of you lived through this and I guess in a way (an unconscious infantile way) I did too but just because it doesn't match up with the reality that you experienced doesn't make it bad. It makes it a dramatization. This is the guy that made Anchorman about the same basic period of time. He likes the basics of the story and couldn't give a shit about the minutia. Maybe it's because I was an infant and little kid during this time period but this is comedic historical fiction, so I give it a fucking pass on accuracy in the interest of entertainment.
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It'd be like watching a documentary on a President, let's say Trump or Nixon, and totally glossing over the stupid shit they both did, and making up shit about them, under the guise of it's a "piece of entertainment"
 
blazerkor said:
It's not and it is about people that we all saw in real life but it's a lot closer to the real story than Braveheart or a ton of other historical fiction films or series. This is not a documentary and Adam McKay makes that clear it's a piece of entertainment based on a moment in time. Every episode has a disclaimer at the end of it that says "Some of the names have been changed and some of the events and characters have been fictionalized, modified or composited for dramatic purposes."

I realize a lot of you lived through this and I guess in a way (an unconscious infantile way) I did too but just because it doesn't match up with the reality that you experienced doesn't make it bad. It makes it a dramatization. This is the guy that made Anchorman about the same basic period of time. He likes the basics of the story and couldn't give a shit about the minutia. Maybe it's because I was an infant and little kid during this time period but this is comedic historical fiction, so I give it a fucking pass on accuracy in the interest of entertainment.
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Agreed. I've enjoyed it.
 
julius said:
It'd be like watching a documentary on a President, let's say Trump or Nixon, and totally glossing over the stupid shit they both did, and making up shit about them, under the guise of it's a "piece of entertainment"
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But it's not a documentary, and not intended as one, so that comparison doesn't really hold.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Agreed. I've enjoyed it.
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Oh, I've enjoyed it. I just didn't see the reason why they faked such trivial facts when the ACTUAL facts wouldn't have changed the story at all.

Like, did we really need to make Kareem out to be an asshole? Or that Jerry West is an angry ass clown, or that Chick Hearn was a jerk?

You don't think if they made a story about the Blazers, and they did to the Schonz what they did to Hearn, that Blazer fans (including those who are defending this "non documentary") wouldn't have gone apologetic?
 
julius said:
Oh, I've enjoyed it. I just didn't see the reason why they faked such trivial facts when the ACTUAL facts wouldn't have changed the story at all.

Like, did we really need to make Kareem out to be an asshole? Or that Jerry West is an angry ass clown, or that Chick Hearn was a jerk?

You don't think if they made a story about the Blazers, and they did to the Schonz what they did to Hearn, that Blazer fans (including those who are defending this "non documentary") wouldn't have gone apologetic?
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I've seen reports that Kareem was moody/surly. And I've seen video of Jerry West himself admit to being a miserable asshole at certain points, including the of breaking golf clubs.

Everybody has character flaws. I don't hold them against anybody in a dramatization. I don't think Kareem or Jerry West's legacy has been tarnished. They were people. There is no question they made their share of mistakes. We all have.

We don't know how accurate it is, but I've seen some evidence that it has been more accurate in some respects than these people are admitting.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I've seen reports that Kareem was moody/surly. And I've seen video of Jerry West himself admit to being a miserable asshole at certain points, including the of breaking golf clubs.

Everybody has character flaws. I don't hold them against anybody in a dramatization. I don't think Kareem or Jerry West's legacy has been tarnished. They were people. There is no question they made their share of mistakes. We all have.

We don't know how accurate it is, but I've seen enough evidence that it has been more accurate in some respects than these people are admitting.
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No one is saying those things didn't happen, just that why put in things that are easy to figure out?

People are acting like this is people being upset about Hoosiers (the movie), when it's clearly a made up story.

Why not just be truthful about the events? It's also not like we're talking about events that no one is alive for or wasn't well documented.
 
julius said:
No one is saying those things didn't happen, just that why put in things that are easy to figure out?

People are acting like this is people being upset about Hoosiers (the movie), when it's clearly a made up story.

Why not just be truthful about the events? It's also not like we're talking about events that no one is alive for or wasn't well documented.
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It seems to me like all "based on true events" dramatizations do this. They need to fill a certain amount of time with each episode being as entertaining as possible for the widest audience possible.

Taking these liberties may be how they've been able to do that.

I get what you're saying, but I also understand why they would do it.
 
Phatguysrule said:
It seems to me like all "based on true events" dramatizations do this. They need to fill a certain amount of time with each episode being as entertaining as possible for the widest audience possible.

Taking these liberties may be how they've been able to do that.

I get what you're saying, but I also understand why they would do it.
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Oh, I totally understand why. Same with the Queen movie a few years back, it made for a "better story"...but the story itself was fine as it was.
 
I can't hardly wait to see if the Lakers win the title? Just kidding. It's been a good show to watch for the most part. Obviously there wasn't a huge budget for it. Costumes and hair look right for the most part. Should have CGI'd the arenas in. Those crowds look terrible, and the arenas don't look like the actual locations, at all. Plus they obviously left out too much stoinking action. The Magic Man was supposedly a top performer before the game as well.
 
Great show. Jeanie Buss just said that John Reilly's portrayal of her dad was excellent btw.

But I cant believe they ended it with the Laker loss to Boston in '84, and not Magic's Jr Jr Skyhook win in Boston in '85.
 
Stevenson said:
Great show. Jeanie Buss just said that John Reilly's portrayal of her dad was excellent btw.

But I cant believe they ended it with the Laker loss to Boston in '84, and not Magic's Jr Jr Skyhook win in Boston in '85.
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Maybe Netflix or Amazon will be smart enough to pick it up? Maybe even Paramount...
 
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