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I don't mean to piss on anyones parade, but I am not sure the Blazers want two rookies. I'm sure they would if the price is right. This draft is not so deep you take on bad salaries for the 13, 15 or 23. Those bad contracts are only valuable if they have team options or less guaranteed money the final year, IMO.
 
BIG Q said:
I don't mean to piss on anyones parade, but I am not sure the Blazers want two rookies. I'm sure they would if the price is right. This draft is not so deep you take on bad salaries for the 13, 15 or 23. Those bad contracts are only valuable if they have team options or less guaranteed money the final year, IMO.
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You could be right about not wanting two more young players on the roster, but I would argue that this draft actually is deep. It is not top-heavy., but there seems to be a lot of good young talent in the first round.
 
Am I crazy for getting some Michael Carter Williams vibes from Daniels?
 
BIG Q said:
I don't mean to piss on anyones parade, but I am not sure the Blazers want two rookies. I'm sure they would if the price is right. This draft is not so deep you take on bad salaries for the 13, 15 or 23. Those bad contracts are only valuable if they have team options or less guaranteed money the final year, IMO.
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Hayward’s contract isn’t really that terrible of a contract, given that we would only have to hold onto it for one year. The year after, it is a $31m expiring contract.

It would depend on what you get for Hayward. If it cost Hart cause there’s no other way to make salaries match with Bledsoe + ___, then you don’t do it. But you found a way to take on Hayward and keep Hart—a forward rotation of Grant, Nas, Hayward, Hart, Sharpe is better than any forward rotation in the Dame era, and we’d have another lottery pick to draft someone.

Hayward will likely still be a guy that can get 20ppg on a given night. A team like LAL will take him with one year left on his deal. Or he will be a big enough salary to trade for a star if one becomes available.

Dame/Ant/Nas/Grant/Nurk
Ant/Hart/Hayward/Sochan/(Johnson MLE)
Keon/Sharpe/Winslow/Watford/Brown III

I think this team competes next year.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Am I crazy for getting some Michael Carter Williams vibes from Daniels?
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Non shooting point guards taken in the lotto have not had a good showing in the last decade:

MCW
Killian Hayes
Frank Ntilikina
DSJ
Kris Dunn
Emmanuel Mudiay
Dante Exum
Elfrid Payton

All these players had questions about their shot and never figured it out.

The only two that had questionable shooting that have seemed to pan out are Ja Morant and LaMelo Ball.
 
B-Roy said:
Non shooting point guards taken in the lotto have not had a good showing in the last decade:

MCW
Killian Hayes
Frank Ntilikina
DSJ
Kris Dunn
Emmanuel Mudiay
Dante Exum
Elfrid Payton

All these players had questions about their shot and never figured it out.

The only two that had questionable shooting that have seemed to pan out are Ja Morant and LaMelo Ball.
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And each year people talk themselves into those guys by saying, well, his shot needs work, but you can fix that! And more often than not...they don't.
 
RR7 said:
And each year people talk themselves into those guys by saying, well, his shot needs work, but you can fix that! And more often than not...they don't.
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If you can't shoot as a point guard.....you're not playing.

All this hype around Daniels has been a result of his supposed "improved" jumpshot.
 
Got a notification from Bleacher Report saying Blazers want to make a straight up deal for Thybulle, Sixers want Eric Gordon as part of the deal. Probably means that Bledsoe will have to be coming out. Does this mean we keep the pick most likely?

If so, please let this be true. Thybulle or Nas will likely be the day 1 starter I would assume.
 
BankTeller said:
Got a notification from Bleacher Report saying Blazers want to make a straight up deal for Thybulle, Sixers want Eric Gordon as part of the deal. Probably means that Bledsoe will have to be coming out. Does this mean we keep the pick most likely?

If so, please let this be true. Thybulle or Nas will likely be the day 1 starter I would assume.
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We can absorb thybulle into a TPE.
 
Not interested in thybulle. He’s 25 and still can’t shoot, which means he probably won’t ever.

great D, sure, but finding good defensive players that can’t shoot isn’t hard. Stanley joshson, Winslow, etc—these guys are cheap for a reason.
 
RR7 said:
We can absorb thybulle into a TPE.
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Ahh that’s right, I forget. Well regardless, we’d still have to send out Bledsoe. So with Thybulle fitting in the TPE, how much cap space are we actually left with? Will there be enough for more than just the MLE after re-signing Ant and Nurk?

If there is, I’m increasingly more excited for free agency and the rest of draft night.
 
Freshtown said:
Not interested in thybulle. He’s 25 and still can’t shoot, which means he probably won’t ever.

great D, sure, but finding good defensive players that can’t shoot isn’t hard. Stanley joshson, Winslow, etc—these guys are cheap for a reason.
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Disagree. Nobody said he has to finish games. We desperately need defense. Getting him for nothing would be a definite positive. He still has room to get better.
 
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Freshtown said:
Not interested in thybulle. He’s 25 and still can’t shoot, which means he probably won’t ever.

great D, sure, but finding good defensive players that can’t shoot isn’t hard. Stanley joshson, Winslow, etc—these guys are cheap for a reason.
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Well, if we re-signed him for 4 yrs/$40-45m, would you be more interested? Through three years, he’s already 2x All Defense. His shooting can only improve. The spacing and offense will be much better here than PHI. If it doesn’t cost much or at all, which looks to be the case, you’ve just found your on ball stopper for the next half decade for nothing. It cost you 2 1sts for Covington as a reminder.
 
BankTeller said:
Ahh that’s right, I forget. Well regardless, we’d still have to send out Bledsoe. So with Thybulle fitting in the TPE, how much cap space are we actually left with? Will there be enough for more than just the MLE after re-signing Ant and Nurk?

If there is, I’m increasingly more excited for free agency and the rest of draft night.
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We never truly had cap space to begin with. We would had to have renounce Nurk, Simons, and hart to get $60mil. Once we make our picks, resign Nurk and simons. We are in a solid spot. A MLE signing will bring even greater depth
 
BankTeller said:
Well, if we re-signed him for 4 yrs/$40-45m, would you be more interested? Through three years, he’s already 2x All Defense. His shooting can only improve. The spacing and offense will be much better here than PHI. If it doesn’t cost much or at all, which looks to be the case, you’ve just found your on ball stopper for the next half decade for nothing. It cost you 2 1sts for Covington as a reminder.
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LOL please don't remind me how much Roco cost us!
 
Freshtown said:
Not interested in thybulle. He’s 25 and still can’t shoot, which means he probably won’t ever.

great D, sure, but finding good defensive players that can’t shoot isn’t hard. Stanley joshson, Winslow, etc—these guys are cheap for a reason.
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They aren't All-NBA defenders though. Thybulle is.
 
Freshtown said:
Not interested in thybulle. He’s 25 and still can’t shoot, which means he probably won’t ever.

great D, sure, but finding good defensive players that can’t shoot isn’t hard. Stanley joshson, Winslow, etc—these guys are cheap for a reason.
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Totally disagree

You trade for him solely for his defense. A specialist.

He’s coming off a season where he was on the All-Defensive 2nd team.
 
You make this deal strictly on how much he gets under Westbrick’s and Morant’s skin IMO
 
MrDraftGuy said:
Sharpe @#7.

As someone who selected Gobert and Giannis in 2013, I see Sharpe as being a similar impact player that GMs will later regret not picking up when they had an opportunity.

I think Mathurin and Murray will be good to very good but not great. You want to draft great. It's no surprise to see a Sam Presti salivating over Ivey and Sharpe whereas inexperienced/lesser front offices are not. It would seem Masai is looking at Sharpe, as well, if he's asking for Portland's pick. Let's think logically here....if these two guys who have GREAT track records want Portland's pick, who do you think is the one who is going to get fleeced?

In other words, DO NOT trade the pick for OG. Speaking as someone who also spotted OG back in 2017 and had Portland selecting him at #20, OG will command money in two years and Portland will be without a future. Whereas, if Sharpe develops into a 20+ppg threat who can get his own shot up and command double teams? That's the future and that's a player who will be better than OG.
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I also wanted Gobert and Giannis in 2013! You can see my posts on it at Blazers Edge. I also agree Sharpe is the darkhorse mega-steal of this draft. I don't know if he is able to turn the corner and deliver, but he has the talent. What do you think about Sochan if we pick up a later pick? Sochan, Duren, and Jovic are my "after #7" picks in this draft to be real steals. Curious about your thoughts on these guys.
 
Thybulle for nothing? I know they want a 3rd team involved but defense for nothing... How do you say no?
 
BankTeller said:
Got a notification from Bleacher Report saying Blazers want to make a straight up deal for Thybulle, Sixers want Eric Gordon as part of the deal. Probably means that Bledsoe will have to be coming out. Does this mean we keep the pick most likely?

If so, please let this be true. Thybulle or Nas will likely be the day 1 starter I would assume.
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man i posted this EXACT trade idea a few days ago
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I reckon:
Orlando: Banchero
OKC: Chet (to pair with Pokusevski to form the tallest, whitest and lightest frontcourt duo)
Houston: Smith (unless they want to have an all-guard lineup, in which case Ivey)
Sacto: Imma go with Sharpe
Detroit: Ivey (not sure a Cunningham-Ivey backcourt works long term but it would fun as hell finding out)
Indiana: Murray
Portland: should be Sochan but probably Mathurin or Duren or some shit.
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Hey, I got the first three right...
 
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