With the #7 pick, the Portland Trail Blazers select....

[Hoopguru]

Cept that I'm not wrong. Basically boils down to this.

Would you trade Grant for Simons? Because 5 and 7 isn't a massive difference.

Why would it have to be Simons?

 

[Natebishop3]

I just don't buy the Dame/Simons backcourt, and I'd like to see them move on from it sooner rather than later. "Downgrading" (debatable) from Simons to Grant while swapping (for example) Murray for Sharpe (since it would have to be done in July) could be a good move.

Yup. We either go all-in on Dame and trade Simons for a player at a position of need....... or we go all-in on the future and trade Dame.

I'm not sure yet which direction I would go. If we can get a decent haul for Simons, it might make sense to trade him, start Hart at the two, and then draft a player that has a high ceiling for the future.

 

[wizenheimer]

Cept that I'm not wrong. Basically boils down to this.

Would you trade Grant for Simons? Because 5 and 7 isn't a massive difference.

would I trade a decent 6'3 SG for a pair of decent 6'8 wings? yes, absolutely

and I say that as somebody who isn't fond of the idea of trading for Grant

 

[JDC]

Givony has been tweeting official combine measurements

I was talking about the 6'8" wingspan listing he was seeing

 

[damianlillard]

would I trade a decent 6'3 SG for a pair of decent 6'8 wings? yes, absolutely

and I say that as somebody who isn't fond of the idea of trading for Grant

Simons is quietly becoming a PG, you people are forgetting that. Only reason why he still a SG is because of Dame. The difference between 5 and 7 isn’t much. We are getting a forward either way. The question become if it worth gambling on Simon and his potential over a decent forward who by the way only has one more year left on his contract. Simons can easily become O’Neal 2.0 as soon as we trade him. I say trade for Grant with other asset. Resign Simons. Draft a forward. Bam we have Simons, Grant, and a rookie forward. What a dumb question to ask if we should trade up for #5

 

[Predator]

 

[Natebishop3]

Could Simons/7th get us into the top 2?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I can't wait for @Rastapopoulos recommendation of a small forward from Luxembourg who has been taking the Mongolian league by storm.

I'm slipping. I wasn't able to get to as many Mongolian League games as usual.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Sharpe

Sharpe is going top 5, possibly to Sacto. Orlando might even want him, so I wouldn't be surprised by an Orlando-Sacto trade.

Duren plan b

Because if this playoffs has taught us anything, it's the value of a non-shooting center...

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Granted it's highlights, but he's real impressive. Two way player with size and athleticism who can shoot from 3 and be imposing in the paint. He looks to be a great finisher at the hoop. Thanks for enlightenment on this talented player.

He's the Scottie-Barnes-est player in this draft.

 

[Ed O]

I'm in the same camp but I've got to think all parties (that matter) see the writing on the wall with his career window. Publicly building around him this offseason will drive season ticket sales better then moving him for unknown young assets & picks. If he is healthy and producing like Dame time again, I still don't think Portland is going to be close to contending. Moving him to a good team who feels they're a piece away & willing to mortgage their future at the midseason trade deadline seems like the sublime solution.

STOMP

I hear you. Moving on in a classy, efficient way would be ideal.

I also TOTALLY UNDERSTAND that my desires as a fan have precious little to do with what the franchise should do... how many tickets should be purchased by fans watching a bad (as opposed to even mediocre) team so that I can feel better about the team's future on the court? How much money should the Blazers sacrifice so I can get excited about another lotter pick or two?

It's reasonable that their goals don't align with mine... so I guess I'm gonna disagree with my "I can't believe..." statement. But it's all disheartening.

 

[Ed O]

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yeah, I know people are bummed about the lottery and the trade deadline, but some people are just going out of their way to see everything in a really weird negative light

so, not counting this season, since 2014, Dame has played 82, 75, 75, 73, 80, 66 (in a 74 game season), and 67 (in a 72 game season). That's 40 missed games in 7 years....But wait!!....He was rested in 4 games at the end of the season so that's only 36 missed games in 7 years

that's an average 5.1 games a year. He also played in 61 of 62 playoff games

Like I said: other than one season since 2014, he's played nowhere near a full season. You decided to include that one season and still didn't disprove my point.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I reckon:
Orlando: Banchero
OKC: Chet (to pair with Pokusevski to form the tallest, whitest and lightest frontcourt duo)
Houston: Smith (unless they want to have an all-guard lineup, in which case Ivey)
Sacto: Imma go with Sharpe
Detroit: Ivey (not sure a Cunningham-Ivey backcourt works long term but it would fun as hell finding out)
Indiana: Murray
Portland: should be Sochan but probably Mathurin or Duren or some shit.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

If the Blazers were able to say, move the #7 for #13 and #15 and trade one of those picks for Grant and take one of Sochan/Eason/Williams with the other, that wouldn't seem to be too bad. Much needed size/length at the very least.

I'm down with the Charlotte trade, but I say keep both and take Sochan and Dieng and I'll be very happy.

 

[Idog1976]

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yeah, I know people are bummed about the lottery and the trade deadline, but some people are just going out of their way to see everything in a really weird negative light

so, not counting this season, since 2014, Dame has played 82, 75, 75, 73, 80, 66 (in a 74 game season), and 67 (in a 72 game season). That's 40 missed games in 7 years....But wait!!....He was rested in 4 games at the end of the season so that's only 36 missed games in 7 years

that's an average 5.1 games a year. He also played in 61 of 62 playoff games

I thought that was a pretty wildly inaccurate statement like WUT? Dame was practically an ironman while carrying a herculean load and he was playing injured many of those years as we now know.

 

[Idog1976]

Trade Ant in the Grant trade and draft Mathurin or Davis?

Trading Ant for anything other than a current All-Star is an absolutely horrid idea. It would be like trading Jermaine O'Neal only much, MUCH worse. Horrible idea. I'd almost rather trade Dame over Simons. Unreal.

 

[Idog1976]

Grant and 5 for Simons and 7 wouldn't be the worst result.

Why are people wanting to trade our second best piece and the only one that makes sense to build around long term? Horrible trade. Trade Nurk if you want to trade a core piece, Simons should be untouchable for less than an All-Star two way player. Have you guys already forgotten his stats after the break were better than Dame's rookie season (Simons same age) with more 30 point games in about 1/3 as many overall games. Trading Simons would be wildly, wildly stupid unless we are getting LeBron or some other All-star two way player that gives us a legit immediate shot at a title.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

If I couldn't trade up I would trade down with Charlotte for 13 & 15 and those picks I would draft Williams for Duke.

Along with Eason.

 

[Jelloman]

Why are people wanting to trade our second best piece and the only one that makes sense to build around long term? Horrible trade. Trade Nurk if you want to trade a core piece, Simons should be untouchable for less than an All-Star two way player. Have you guys already forgotten his stats after the break were better than Dame's rookie season (Simons same age) with more 30 point games in about 1/3 as many overall games. Trading Simons would be wildly, wildly stupid unless we are getting LeBron or some other All-star two way player that gives us a legit immediate shot at a title.

Dame's rookie season was playing with LMA, Batum and Mathews. Simons was playing along side G-League players, if he couldn't get to 30 point with all the shots he can have, he shouldn't be a rotational player in the NBA.

 

[blazerfan11]

Why are people wanting to trade our second best piece and the only one that makes sense to build around long term? Horrible trade. Trade Nurk if you want to trade a core piece, Simons should be untouchable for less than an All-Star two way player. Have you guys already forgotten his stats after the break were better than Dame's rookie season (Simons same age) with more 30 point games in about 1/3 as many overall games. Trading Simons would be wildly, wildly stupid unless we are getting LeBron or some other All-star two way player that gives us a legit immediate shot at a title.

The only answer that makes sense is that these people think Simons has maxed out his ceiling already at 22 years old and didn't like what they saw from Simons when he was a starter in the second half of the season.

 

[OneSport3]

Could Simons/7th get us into the top 2?

Definitely would rather have Cronin as GM than you.

 

[Idog1976]

Dame's rookie season was playing with LMA, Batum and Mathews. Simons was playing along side G-League players, if he couldn't get to 30 point with all the shots he can have, he shouldn't be a rotational player in the NBA.

Yes, I agree Dame had far more open shots due to playing off LMA and Simons was very efficient despite seeing double teams all the time due to being the only offensive threat on the floor. Thanks for proving my point!

 

[Mediocre Man]

The only answer that makes sense is that these people think Simons has maxed out his ceiling already at 22 years old and didn't like what they saw from Simons when he was a starter in the second half of the season.

I think some people see another Dame/CJ situation. Two undersized, ball dominant, non defense playing guards. So if you think that then trading him for a two way forward that better compliments Dame would be a good thing. Then move Hart to SG and have better roster construction

 

[Idog1976]

I think some people see another Dame/CJ situation. Two undersized, ball dominant, non defense playing guards. So if you think that then trading him for a two way forward that better compliments Dame would be a good thing. Then move Hart to SG and have better roster construction

If we can get a borderline all-star two-way wing then sure. But for Jerami Grant and moving up two spots? Hell naw to the naw naw NAW, HELL NAW!

 

[blazedanugz]

So who are wing players that people would trade for #7?
Players that might actually be available via trade

 

[blazerfan11]

Dame's rookie season was playing with LMA, Batum and Mathews. Simons was playing along side G-League players, if he couldn't get to 30 point with all the shots he can have, he shouldn't be a rotational player in the NBA.

In his rookie season (2012-2013) Lillard averaged 15.7 shots per game and had a true shooting percentage of 54.6 %. He was 22 years old for the duration of the season.
This past season, Anfernee Simons averaged 14.0 shots per game and had a true shooting percentage of 58.3 percent. He was 22 years old for the duration of the season.

Lillard takes a lot more free throws than Simons, but didn't reach Simons 58.3 true shooting percentage until his 5th season at age 26 (2016-17, 58.6%).
Lillard surpassed the 60% true shooting mark in his career in his 8th season at age 29 in the 2019-2020 season.

Simons was obviously not simply chucking the ball (overall) to get whatever his point totals were.

 

[wizenheimer]

And realistically, Grant would probably perform and be as inconsistent as Gordon is on the Nuggets. But not shoot nearly as well.

Gordon is a decent comp although Gordon is a much better rebounder. Their eFG% marks are the same

Gordon has a little better 2ptFG% for his career. But Grant has a much better 3ptFG%, a better FT%, and a better TS%

Grant is a better shooter and he hasn't had the advantage of playing off of, and with, Jokic

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Gordon is a decent comp although Gordon is a much better rebounder. Their eFG% marks are the same

Gordon has a little better 2ptFG% for his career. But Grant has a much better 3ptFG%, a better FT%, and a better TS%

Grant is a better shooter and he hasn't had the advantage of playing off of, and with, Jokic

To be fair, he played over 1000 minutes with Jokic in 19-20



He also shot 39% from 3 that year.

 

[Propagandist]

Could Simons/7th get us into the top 2?

Dame wouldn't like it, but moving Hart or Nas to the 2 and picking up Smith Jr or Banchero would be something new and potentially special.

And yes, although Ant is swell at catch and shoots, I am one of those that without much squinting sees the pointing Spiderman meme when it comes to Dame/CJ and Dame/Ant...

 

[wizenheimer]

Like I said: other than one season since 2014, he's played nowhere near a full season. You decided to include that one season and still didn't disprove my point.

I found "your point", which appeared to say that Dame was injury prone, to be kind of bizarre. He's going to be 32 years old, you got that right at least, but prior to this season, over a 9 year career, he had missed 36 games to injury (not rest games). That's 4 games a year. And in the 3 years prior to this season, he had missed 1, 8, then 5 games; that's while playing in 24 of 25 playoff games.

you were acting like his 'missed' games record was a negative, when in fact his played games record was a significant positive factor. He's a durable NBA payer