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illmatic99 said:
i do too. i was kinda shocked to see Dame suddenly following him.

Murray is such a boring candidate but he also has historical advanced stats. my hesitation with him was always his high usage at Iowa (and how Luka Garza had similar ridiculous numbers the year prior), but Murray's game and strengths make so much sense for this team.
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Murray is said to be a guy that doesn't need plays run for him to score. He's an opportunistic scorer. He knows where to be on the floor. Sounds like a good fit for the Trail Blazers.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Murray is said to be a guy that doesn't need plays run for him to score. He's an opportunistic scorer. He knows where to be on the floor. Sounds like a good fit for the Trail Blazers.
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they ran almost every play for him, so not sure how you came to this conclusion. he very well could be a guy who makes the most of his touches, but that certainly was not the case at Iowa.
 
Natebishop3 said:
We need a legit second star and I'm not really convinced that either of those guys are it.

The draft pick constitutes our best chance at adding a legit second star.
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Agreed.
It doesn't have to be either/or.... Why not do both?
Outside of Murray (who I'd take @ #7) I don't see a large talent gap between #7 and #12. Trade down a few spots, get an asset, & use that new asset to acquire a vet.
 
illmatic99 said:
they ran almost every play for him, so not sure how you came to this conclusion. he very well could be a guy who makes the most of his touches, but that certainly was not the case at Iowa.
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That’s what I was about to say too. They had him work in the post or coming off screens to get an open 3. They definitely ran plays for him. The reality is he will need to have plays for him since he can’t create his own shot and not necessarily tall or strong enough to get offensive rebounds. Which isn’t a bad thing if he excels at other aspects of the game. Think of a taller Klay Thompson basically
 
damianlillard said:
That’s what I was about to say too. They had him work in the post or coming off screens to get an open 3. They definitely ran plays for him. The reality is he will need to have plays for him since he can’t create his own shot and not necessarily tall or strong enough to get offensive rebounds. Which isn’t a bad thing if he excels at other aspects of the game. Think of a taller Klay Thompson basically
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I would prefer to have someone who needs plays run for him at this point. I would rather not have guys who need the ball in their hands to create their own shot.
 
Mathurin, Murray, Sharpe or Ivey will be available at the 7th pick.
 
Rumors on Pacers subbredit that Pritchard might have promised a "Pac 12 player" (Mathurin). Take it as you would any rumor.

And there's this: look at him smirk a bit when asked about his meeting with Carlisle and KP


around the 5:30 mark. Not much of a poker face.
 
I've been saying this for a while now but this draft is madness as far as the order goes. Draft boards have these guys all over the place so the best move seems to be to trade back if the Hornets are willing, to 13 and 15 then see who drops to us. People who think that the draft is the best and possible only way to get a second allstar next to Dame should see the parity in this draft and hope that we trade back and possibly get two allstars.
 
The draft seems deep, so I think the draft order could be flipped upside down fairly easily if someone falls in love with a guy like Sochan.
 
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My comps for Daniels are MCW, Dante Exum, or even Ntilikina. All long non-shooting PGs who were taken in the lottery but never blossomed.

I'm not buying the hype. Defensive instincts look terrific but leaves a lot to be desired in other areas. Even while his passing is good, he makes basic reads and isn't going to be near the kind of playmaker he's hyped up to be right now with his shaky handle and poor first step. I can't see him getting past his initial defender to be able to create much in the NBA.

Kinda hoping Indy or Detroit buy the hype and allow someone with a more proven track record to fall to us.
 
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illmatic99 said:
My comps for Daniels are MCW, Dante Exum, or even Ntilikina. All long non-shooting PGs who were taken in the lottery but never blossomed.

I'm not buying the hype. Defensive instincts look terrific but leaves a lot to be desired in other areas. Even while his passing is good, he makes basic reads and isn't going to be near the kind of playmaker he's hyped up to be right now with his shaky handle and poor first step. I can't see him getting past his initial defender to be able to create much in the NBA.

Kinda hoping Indy or Detroit buy the hype and allow someone with a more proven track record to fall to us.
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cool analysis, look forward to the one in two weeks where you call him the best player in the draft.
 
Scalma said:
cool analysis, look forward to the one in two weeks where you call him the best player in the draft.
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Care to counter even a single one of my points without snark? Oh wait nvm you only talk shit.

At least i admit when im wrong unlike literally everyone else here and dont pretend like my word is gospel. You feel the need to attack that for reasons only you can fathom
 
illmatic99 said:
My comps for Daniels are MCW, Dante Exum, or even Ntilikina. All long non-shooting PGs who were taken in the lottery but never blossomed.

I'm not buying the hype. Defensive instincts look terrific but leaves a lot to be desired in other areas. Even while his passing is good, he makes basic reads and isn't going to be near the kind of playmaker he's hyped up to be right now with his shaky handle and poor first step. I can't see him getting past his initial defender to be able to create much in the NBA.

Kinda hoping Indy or Detroit buy the hype and allow someone with a more proven track record to fall to us.
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illmatic99 said:
Care to counter even a single one of my points without snark? Oh wait nvm you only talk shit.

At least i admit when im wrong unlike literally everyone else here and dont pretend like my word is gospel. You feel the need to attack that for reasons only you can fathom
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You have incredibly insightful and informative posts.
Please do not stop. The thread you created about prospects is a true treasure of information.
Some people just like to hate. Please just continue to do what you do. After reading up, i have found your posts to be elite in comparison to many. I knew so little about the players outside of the top three. You have educated me in a massive way. I am forever thankful for your informative posts.
 
"... unlike literally everyone else here ..."
Really?
I like the difference of opinion of yours regarding Daniels. You're correct, IMHO, in noting the hype that flared up for him. What I like about him (from watching a bit of video) is his size, quickness of foot (not speed or even first step), noted defense, and court awareness. I'm a fan of the point-forward who with time gets enough core strength to defend any of 1 through 3 and who makes the options open up even with shorter guards on a roster. He's young, has played against better than college competition and has markedly improved ... though the sample size/duration is small. I'm more of a Keegan Murray fan ... and Nikola Jovic. I can be convinced other options at the Blazers pick would be better ... perhaps.

As to the hype machine, I expect that will happen with several other players. It's practically a competition at this time of year that is a good time for all. Even better is how whoever is drafted for the Blazers will be portrayed as a really good pick ... utterly ignoring the guys I want who the Blazers pass on but are inevitably drafted by the Spurs, OKC, or the Raptors.
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
"... unlike literally everyone else here ..."
Really?
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an exaggeration for sure. I got triggered because that guy talks down to everyone he disagrees with and has for yrs.

I like the difference of opinion of yours regarding Daniels. You're correct, IMHO, in noting the hype that flared up for him. What I like about him (from watching a bit of video) is his size, quickness of foot (not speed or even first step), noted defense, and court awareness. I'm a fan of the point-forward who with time gets enough core strength to defend any of 1 through 3 and who makes the options open up even with shorter guards on a roster. He's young, has played against better than college competition and has markedly improved ... though the sample size/duration is small. I'm more of a Keegan Murray fan ... and Nikola Jovic. I can be convinced other options at the Blazers pick would be better ... perhaps.

As to the hype machine, I expect that will happen with several other players. It's practically a competition at this time of year that is a good time for all. Even better is how whoever is drafted for the Blazers will be portrayed as a really good pick ... utterly ignoring the guys I want who the Blazers pass on but are inevitably drafted by the Spurs, OKC, or the Raptors.
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I think the social media posts about Dyson fron Schmitz and DX are at the forefront of the hype machine. He made a bunch of shots in a row and measured out extremely well at all the anthro stuff at the combine. But in the videos ive seen of him, the dude really struggles to get past his man and rarely reads the backline defenses to be a better playmaker. And his shot release seems slow. The improvement in his shot came in three games to end his short season so as you say... Small sample size. I like the deflections and his smarts on defense so he fits the template of what people think we need, but i dont think he's it.

And are you sure the GLeague is better thanl some D1 competition on a nightly basis?
 
illmatic99 said:
My comps for Daniels are MCW, Dante Exum, or even Ntilikina. All long non-shooting PGs who were taken in the lottery but never blossomed.

I'm not buying the hype. Defensive instincts look terrific but leaves a lot to be desired in other areas. Even while his passing is good, he makes basic reads and isn't going to be near the kind of playmaker he's hyped up to be right now with his shaky handle and poor first step. I can't see him getting past his initial defender to be able to create much in the NBA.

Kinda hoping Indy or Detroit buy the hype and allow someone with a more proven track record to fall to us.
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Agree with a lot of this.

Still like Daniels, but moreso when he was a late lotto / mid first guy.
 
If you think we're making and keeping our pick at 7, you either think that Cronin has something else up his sleeve in regards to moving the Bucks pick, our 36th pick and/or one or two of our young players while utilizing the TPE to get an impact vet... or I think you're not paying attention.
 
I really think the Blazers should try to trade down for two firsts. Use the later of the two with Bledsoe and go after Grant.
Use the better of the two(10-12?) and go after the best player available that is not a Guard, imo.
I would like to know more about the Blazers scouting staff. Im sure most agree that this is an essential part of drafting the right players.
 
illmatic99: "[...] And his shot release seems slow. The improvement in his shot came in three games to end his short season so as you say... Small sample size. I like the deflections and his smarts on defense so he fits the template of what people think we need, but i dont think he's it.
And are you sure the GLeague is better thanl some D1 competition on a nightly basis?"

"release seems slow" ... that's being kind. It is slower than it should be but with reps should be fine. As to the League ... I haven't checked on the ages of guys, but they are pros, grown-@$$ men, and coached more like what they'll see in the NBA. And then in practice there's a better chance to improve as it's about competition for $$$ and minutes to get noticed by the NBA. Limitations on college players and coaches -- while understandable for students -- dramatically changes for pros who are driven to improve.
 
BlazerBender said:
I really think the Blazers should try to trade down for two firsts. Use the later of the two with Bledsoe and go after Grant.
Use the better of the two(10-12?) and go after the best player available that is not a Guard, imo.
I would like to know more about the Blazers scouting staff. Im sure most agree that this is an essential part of drafting the right players.
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I really think that San Antonio might be willing to give up pick 25 to move up two spots with the new idea that Daniels might have expanded the top 6 into a top 7 situation. I don't think 25 is enough to get us Grant, especially if you're sticking the Pistons with Bledsoe. I think we might be able to get Grant with 25, 36 or the Pistons' 2025 second, while utilizing the TPE but given what we know about our GM I could really see it being 25, the Bucks 2025 first and the TPE. Still if we came away from draft night with Grant, Sochan and the 36th pick, I'd be far more OK with this overpay than the underpay we accepted for our non-allstar veteran starters.

I will say that if Jovic impresses in some workouts we might see his name jump way up there too.
 
illmatic99 said:
Care to counter even a single one of my points without snark? Oh wait nvm you only talk shit.

At least i admit when im wrong unlike literally everyone else here and dont pretend like my word is gospel. You feel the need to attack that for reasons only you can fathom
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It was a joke (since you did the same exact thing with Ivey) but go off.
 
Tari Eason is the most Billups type player in this class btw. 7 seems a bit high though. Maybe they trade down, pick up another first (which they can trade for Grant) and then pick him up.
 
Jovic measurables are tantalizing. I liked him a few months ago but i havent paid much attn since. I will admit.... Those hot pink tshirt jerseys he plays in are tough on the eyes.
 
blazerkor said:
If you think we're making and keeping our pick at 7, you either think that Cronin has something else up his sleeve in regards to moving the Bucks pick, our 36th pick and/or one or two of our young players while utilizing the TPE to get an impact vet... or I think you're not paying attention.
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I agree. Not that I'm right about this, but if Murray is there, I'm guessing Cronin makes it Murray and Jerami Grant. I could see moving up to the 5 spot to get Murray (or Sharpe if Cronin, et.al. just love hime) and swap picks with Detroit ... 7, 36, MIL 2025, Little.
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
illmatic99: "[...] And his shot release seems slow. The improvement in his shot came in three games to end his short season so as you say... Small sample size. I like the deflections and his smarts on defense so he fits the template of what people think we need, but i dont think he's it.
And are you sure the GLeague is better thanl some D1 competition on a nightly basis?"

"release seems slow" ... that's being kind. It is slower than it should be but with reps should be fine. As to the League ... I haven't checked on the ages of guys, but they are pros, grown-@$$ men, and coached more like what they'll see in the NBA. And then in practice there's a better chance to improve as it's about competition for $$$ and minutes to get noticed by the NBA. Limitations on college players and coaches -- while understandable for students -- dramatically changes for pros who are driven to improve.
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Dude we need to work on your quoting skills.
 
One guy i’d like to target in the second is Kenny lofton jr. That dude is gonna fall cuz he’s fat but he can move (unlike a Swanigan for example) and is super skilled. Also, coached by Edniesha Curry at the combine.
 
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