With the #7 pick, the Portland Trail Blazers select....

[BonesJones]

Thanks, but I was curious with regard to the whole draft?

I think I'd still have to go with Daniels but Sochan, Beauchamp, and Jabari all make good cases. Unfortunately, I don't think there's a Herb Jones type of prospect in the 2nd round this year. Lots of solid defenders but not many standouts.

 

[BonesJones]

obviously, I don't agree with that

I get that for some, really long odds seem like the best odds, but betting a big chunk of what you own on rolling a hard eight is a bad bet. And right now, that 7th pick is one of the best things Portland owns. You may not like the sure bet (established) that Collins is, or the upside of a 24 year old player, but tossing that 7th-pick-chip on the poor odds section of craps table seems like a much worse bet to me

the last 'half of the lottery in the last 3 drafts:

7 Coby White
8 Jaxson Hayes
9 Rui Hachimura
10 Cam Reddish
11 Cameron Johnson
12 P.J. Washington
13 Tyler Herro
14 Romeo Langford

7 Killian Hayes
8 Obi Toppin
9 Deni Avdija
10 Jalen Smith
11 Devin Vassell
12 Tyrese Haliburton
13 Kira Lewis Jr.
14 Aaron Nesmith

7 Jonathan Kuminga
8 Franz Wagner
9 Davion Mitchell
10 Ziaire Williams
11 James Bouknight
12 Joshua Primo
13 Chris Duarte
14 Moses Moody

how many of those players are even as good as Collins. let alone better?

Considering they haven't had as much time I don't think this is a fair analysis. Id look at the players drafted in 2014-2016.

But the point isn't that he isn't a good player, just that he doesn't address our biggest weakness and we don't have the assets to use our biggest one on someone who doesn't address our biggest weakness (maybe even adds to it). It's the same reason I wouldn't trade 7 for Grant, but would be willing to trade 7 for Anunoby.

With 7, we might not get a good of a player but we could definitely get a better on-ball/perimeter defender with offensive upside and that's the bet I'd rather take for now and for the future.

 

[BonesJones]

And I'd rather bet on a a smaller chance of getting a star that fits them settling for a really good role player who doesnt.

 

[Hoopguru]

Considering they haven't had as much time I don't think this is a fair analysis. If lol at the players drafted in 2014-2016.

But the point isn't that he isn't a good player, just that he doesn't address our biggest weakness and we don't have the assets to use our biggest one on someone who doesn't address our biggest weakness (maybe even adds to it). It's the same reason I wouldn't trade 7 for Grant, but would be willing to trade 7 for Anunoby.

With 7, we might not get a good of a player but we could definitely get a better on-ball/perimeter defender with offensive upside and that's the bet I'd rather take for now and for the future.

I think Cronin makes several attempts to trade up to top 4 and if that doesn't pan out he'll use 7 for a package to acquire a vet and Collins could be a target, along with a couple more. If this team is going to sell Joe will be looking to broker a blockbuster of some sort. He knows he cant just be a status quo gm for now he has to serve up some sizzle.

 

[wizenheimer]

Considering they haven't had as much time I don't think this is a fair analysis. If lol at the players drafted in 2014-2016.

But the point isn't that he isn't a good player, just that he doesn't address our biggest weakness and we don't have the assets to use our biggest one on someone who doesn't address our biggest weakness (maybe even adds to it). It's the same reason I wouldn't trade 7 for Grant, but would be willing to trade 7 for Anunoby.

With 7, we might not get a good of a player but we could definitely get a better on-ball/perimeter defender with offensive upside and that's the bet I'd rather take for now and for the future.

Portland's biggest weaknesses are at forward and at wing. And that is on both ends of the floor. Collins is both a forward and wing and he would give Portland something they haven't had since Aldridge and that's some substantial scoring punch in the front court as well as a scoring threat at wing. I also think his defensive ability is underrated, and nobody knows how any of these 'available-at-7' players will be on defense; they could all suck and if they don't they might be Justice Winslow on offense. And, since Collins is still 24 he has plenty of upside potential left

And I'd rather bet on a a smaller chance of getting a star that fits them settling for a really good role player who doesnt.

you mean like CJ, Powell and RoCo?

 

[Natebishop3]

It's amazing how people still haven't lost their taste for treadmilling around Dame.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

I'm all in on Duren. He will be a star caliber player in the league.

Good to see you've taken a stand. Is it a hill you'd die on? Who cares. I like Duren, too. I liked what I saw (mostly) in really starting to study up on these guys, and he could become a star. He's currently more one end of the court than others I like (e.g., Daniels, Murray) and more like the D guys who could play both ends at a high level (e.g., Sochan). These are the 4 I've seen enough on (given what's out there) to want them on the Blazers. At least 2 (Duren, Sochan) are highly likely at 7. Improvement on D isn't something I'd mind on the Blazers.

 

[Hoopguru]

Sochan will be wanted by many teams. He's a very tenacious defender.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Sochan will be wanted by many teams. He's a very tenacious defender.

He definitely is that

 

[blazerfan11]

The problem is if he is an all star caliber player it probably won’t be in Dames prime.

Then trade Dame for the best young, two-way player that we can get, keep our pick and maybe get another one in the trade.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Which is why building around Dame is foolish

Maybe, but that’s what they have committed to. So drafting somebody like Duren that’s going to take a few years to develop in Dames prime years doesn’t make much sense to me.

 

[Hoopguru]

Then trade Dame for the best young, two-way player that we can get, keep our pick and maybe get another one in the trade.

Thats not the plan from what I understand.
Dame and the Organization want to re-engineer the team around Dame for the next 4/5 years.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Maybe, but that’s what they have committed to. So drafting somebody like Duren that’s going to take a few years to develop in Dames prime years doesn’t make much sense to me.

So what does?

 

[Natebishop3]

Thats not the plan from what I understand.
Dame and the Organization want to re-engineer the team around Dame for the next 4/5 years.

Of course that's not what the plan is.... but that's what the plan SHOULD be.

 

[blazerfan11]

obviously, I don't agree with that

I get that for some, really long odds seem like the best odds, but betting a big chunk of what you own on rolling a hard eight is a bad bet. And right now, that 7th pick is one of the best things Portland owns. You may not like the sure bet (established) that Collins is, or the upside of a 24 year old player, but tossing that 7th-pick-chip on the poor odds section of craps table seems like a much worse bet to me

the last 'half of the lottery in the last 3 drafts:

7 Coby White
8 Jaxson Hayes
9 Rui Hachimura
10 Cam Reddish
11 Cameron Johnson
12 P.J. Washington
13 Tyler Herro
14 Romeo Langford

7 Killian Hayes
8 Obi Toppin
9 Deni Avdija
10 Jalen Smith
11 Devin Vassell
12 Tyrese Haliburton
13 Kira Lewis Jr.
14 Aaron Nesmith

7 Jonathan Kuminga
8 Franz Wagner
9 Davion Mitchell
10 Ziaire Williams
11 James Bouknight
12 Joshua Primo
13 Chris Duarte
14 Moses Moody

how many of those players are even as good as Collins. let alone better?

You want something good. I want the chance at something great. No pain no gain. That's how the draft works.
You must surely see the irony in how we obtained Damian Lillard and your thought process.

 

[wizenheimer]

You want something good. I want the chance at something great. No pain no gain. That's how the draft works.
You must surely see the irony in how we obtained Damian Lillard and your thought process.

there is no irony because at that time, Portland didn't have Dame...they had a 6'10 Robin

but tell me who it is that will be available at 7 that will be "great"....I guess I'm just not seeing that player in this draft. I mean, in a post a little earlier I listed 7-14 in the last 3 drafts. None of those 24 players are better than Collins. That's 3 years of the 'chance at greatness' right there

 

[HailBlazers]

It's amazing how people still haven't lost their taste for treadmilling around Dame.

Terry Stotts says hello.

 

[Natebishop3]

there is no irony because at that time, Portland didn't have Dame...they had a 6'10 Robin

but tell me who it is that will be available at 7 that will be "great"....I guess I'm just not seeing that player in this draft. I mean, in a post a little earlier I listed 7-14 in the last 3 drafts. None of those 24 players are better than Collins. That's 3 years of the 'chance at greatness' right there

We don’t know who will drop to us. Sharp might be great or he might be a total bust. Nobody knows. Murray could be a really good player. There are a few guys that have a pretty high ceiling that might be there when we pick.

 

[BonesJones]

Portland's biggest weaknesses are at forward and at wing. And that is on both ends of the floor. Collins is both a forward and wing and he would give Portland something they haven't had since Aldridge and that's some substantial scoring punch in the front court as well as a scoring threat at wing. I also think his defensive ability is underrated, and nobody knows how any of these 'available-at-7' players will be on defense; they could all suck and if they don't they might be Justice Winslow on offense. And, since Collins is still 24 he has plenty of upside potential left



you mean like CJ, Powell and RoCo?

Their biggest weakness is on-ball defense as well. Only way to improve is to acquire defense at the forward spots.

Collins is a solid rim protector, but really bad on ball. It didn't work with RoCo defensively, and Collins wouldn't be any better. He doesn't have the footspeed to guard well on the perimeter.

And I thought we wanted the team to try something different other than CJ, Norm, and RoCo?

 

[wizenheimer]

Their biggest weakness is on-ball defense as well. Only way to improve is to acquire defense at the forward spots.

Collins is a solid rim protector, but really bad on ball. It didn't work with RoCo defensively, and Collins wouldn't be any better. He doesn't have the footspeed to guard well on the perimeter.

And I thought we wanted the team to try something different other than CJ, Norm, and RoCo?

you believe that Collins is like CJ, Norm, and RoCo?

 

[HailBlazers]

you believe that Collins is like CJ, Norm, and RoCo?

Defensively he ain't nothing to write home about.

 

[wizenheimer]

Defensively he ain't nothing to write home about.

I don't believe his defense is nearly as bad as some are claiming. He has pretty consistently had a better defensive rating that his team. On average he's been +1.8 points better and he's not going to that being a bad defender

 

[BonesJones]

you believe that Collins is like CJ, Norm, and RoCo?

He's a worse on-ball defender than the latter two, and arguably CJ as well. He is not a good on-ball defender at all.

 

[BonesJones]

I don't believe his defense is nearly as bad as some are claiming. He has pretty consistently had a better defensive rating that his team. On average he's been +1.8 points better and he's not going to that being a bad defender

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RPM? CJ's DRPM is a good 1.5 points better than Collins', so if that's what we're putting stock in...

You're talking about his overall defense, I'm talking about on-the-ball. You need multiple POA defenders in the NBA.

Just checked Bball-Index (Synergy-Based) has Collins as a B-grade rim protector and an F-Grade perimeter defender, for what it's worth.

 

[illmatic99]

Eason has yet to receive a green room invite. Man, the feedback on him must be terrible-- and he's worked out for like 11 teams.

 

[TBpup]

Eason has yet to receive a green room invite. Man, the feedback on him must be terrible-- and he's worked out for like 11 teams.

It is not good. Great motor, hustle, athleticism.....but there are some major holes in other places.

 

[theprunetang]

RPM? CJ's DRPM is a good 1.5 points better than Collins', so if that's what we're putting stock in...

You're talking about his overall defense, I'm talking about on-the-ball. You need multiple POA defenders in the NBA.

Just checked Bball-Index (Synergy-Based) has Collins as a B-grade rim protector and an F-Grade perimeter defender, for what it's worth.

Collins is really just a glorified, better version of Kyle Kuzma.

 

[illmatic99]

this is Daniels' coach from GLeague Ignite.



Not exactly an impartial observer, but some insight to be gained. it's interesting how he projects Dyson to be a "true PG" as his natural position. I know we all want to stick to the BPA tenet, but does this give any of his fans pause?

Still think taking him 7 would be an overdraft.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

this is Daniels' coach from GLeague Ignite.



Not exactly an impartial observer, but some insight to be gained. it's interesting how he projects Dyson to be a "true PG" as his natural position. I know we all want to stick to the BPA tenet, but does this give any of his fans pause?

Still think taking him 7 would be an overdraft.

Personally, I'd prefer to pick up a pick later in the draft & select his teammate:

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Latest Givony opinions:
In his latest 2022 mock draft, ESPN’s Jonathan Givony (Insider link) still has Jabari Smith going to the Magic, Chet Holmgren to the Thunder, and Paolo Banchero to the Rockets.

Givony says the Magic continue to cast a wide net as they evaluate their options at No. 1, but rival executives “overwhelmingly” expect them to ultimately land on Smith. The Rockets, meanwhile, watched Banchero work out in Memphis and then brought him to Houston for an individual workout, according to Givony, who writes that the team seems “high on (his) talent, skill, and fit.”

While Givony’s newest mock doesn’t include a shake-up in the top three, there are some changes elsewhere in the lottery and further down in the first round. ESPN’s draft guru also shares a handful of draft-related tidbits. Here are some of the highlights:

• According to Givony, Keegan Murray‘s chances of being the No. 4 pick may be gaining momentum, since Kings owner Vivek Ranadive and incoming head coach Mike Brown reportedly like him and Sacramento isn’t Jaden Ivey preferred landing spot. However, Givony notes that the Kings have been willing in past years to draft players they haven’t worked out — plus, the pick is considered to be available via trade if there’s a team that wants to move up to snag Ivey.
• Although Shaedon Sharpe is viewed as a legitimate candidate to be selected at No. 5 by the Pistons, he didn’t separate himself in a recent 3-on-3 workout that also included Bennedict Mathurin and Dyson Daniels, Givony writes. ESPN’s new mock has Mathurin and Daniels going sixth and seventh overall, ahead of Sharpe at No. 8.
• The Wizards‘ lottery pick (No. 10) is widely thought to be available in a deal that would send a “proven backcourt player” to D.C., per Givony.
• The Thunder are reportedly looking to trade up from No. 12 to acquire another pick in the top half of the lottery, according to Givony, who says Ivey and Sharpe may be among Oklahoma City’s targets.
• Rival teams don’t believe the Hornets will keep both the 13th and 15th overall picks. Givony has also heard from rival clubs that the Bulls don’t love their options at No. 18 and are open to trading that pick, possibly in a package with guard Coby White.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/06/draft-rumors-top-3-kings-sharpe-wizards-okc-hornets-bulls.html#