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TorturedBlazerFan said:
In some ways it definitely does. In some ways, it depends on what the goals are. If you're GS the last couple of years you lose in the WCF's, people would be questioning what's going on... If you're Portland getting swept in the WCF is a tremendous year. I'm not even knocking it, it was a good year, but I also, have mixed feelings about it.
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I fully understand both sides of the coin but the facts remain. His savvy acquisitions were the ones that pushed us over the “top.”

No one is beating GS so no need to compare situations.
 
e_blazer said:
Here's the list of every free agent signing that summer. Crabbe was bad, but that was Paul Allen not wanting to be outbid for his player. Turner probably tops the list of bloated contracts, but a lot of the signings that summer were off the charts bad:

https://www.oregonlive.com/nba/2016/07/nba_free_agency_2016_every_sig.html
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And just like I was saying at the time, we should let Crabbe walk. Now we still have dead money counting against our cap because we traded him for Nicholson.

I no one was clamoring for Meyers Leonard's services so please, don't act like his deal was due to the market and not due to NO's idiocy.

I liked and still like Moe's deal.

I fully believe Turner could've been had for less too. You don't think he would've taken 15 Mil? 13 Mil? 12?

Let's not absolve NO of his obvious wrongdoings.
 
dviss1 said:
And just like I was saying at the time, we should let Crabbe walk. Now we still have dead money counting against our cap because we traded him for Nicholson.

I no one was clamoring for Meyers Leonard's services so please, don't act like his deal was due to the market and not due to NO's idiocy.

I liked and still like Moe's deal.

I fully believe Turner could've been had for less too. You don't think he would've taken 15 Mil? 13 Mil? 12?

Let's not absolve NO of his obvious wrongdoings.
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OK--We all know that Olshey royally screwed the pooch July 2016. It was plainly evident within less than a year. He wasn't fired during the 16-17 season, though he probably deserved to be. If he were going to be impacted by his 2016 failures, it would have happened already.

When we're evaluating this extension, I think we have to look essentially at everything he's done since then. So here's my question: have his recovery efforts over the past 2 years earned him more time?
  • Trading Plumlee and a 2nd for Nurkic and a 1st
  • Trading up for Collins and drafting Swanigan
  • Trading Crabbe for Nicholson
  • Trading Vonleh for nothing
  • Drafting Simons
  • Trading 2 future 2nds Trent
  • Re-signing Nurk for 48M/4y
  • Trading Swanigan for Skal
  • Trading Stauskas/Baldwin/2 2nds for Hood
Now I'm not counting free agent signings that aren't carrying forward (Curry/Kanter), since they have no impact on the team's future. But looking at the past almost 3 years in totality, Olshey has turned Plumlee/Vonleh/Crabbe/4 1sts/5 2nds into Nurkic/Collins/Skal/Simons, and a WCF appearance.

Guess I have to agree with you. I did the work, and I'm still less than impressed.
 
e_blazer said:
Sometime I’m going to do a review of the contracts handed out that summer. Huge numbers given to mediocre talent.
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Timothy Mosgov tops the list that year in my view of huge unearned contracts
 
PtldPlatypus said:
OK--We all know that Olshey royally screwed the pooch July 2016. It was plainly evident within less than a year. He wasn't fired during the 16-17 season, though he probably deserved to be. If he were going to be impacted by his 2016 failures, it would have happened already.
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Some of us don't apparently because we got @e_blazer in here tryna rewrite history. :D
 
dviss1 said:
And just like I was saying at the time, we should let Crabbe walk. Now we still have dead money counting against our cap because we traded him for Nicholson.

I no one was clamoring for Meyers Leonard's services so please, don't act like his deal was due to the market and not due to NO's idiocy.

I liked and still like Moe's deal.

I fully believe Turner could've been had for less too. You don't think he would've taken 15 Mil? 13 Mil? 12?

Let's not absolve NO of his obvious wrongdoings.
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I'm not absolving him, but I'm not obsessing over the 2016 drunken spending binge either. I think that the spending was based on the notion that we had to spend the money that year because the cap space was going to be gone the following year anyway. My understanding (and I certainly could be wrong) is that the thought was that essentially banking the money in those contracts would allow for future trades for high dollar veterans by combining assets: Somebody wants to move a disgruntled star and they'll take one of our younger good players, an overpriced veteran and a pick. The problem is that line of thinking failed to pan out because everybody had bad contracts and wasn't interested in taking on another one. Olshey screwed the pooch, but he was far from the only one to do so.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
OK--We all know that Olshey royally screwed the pooch July 2016. It was plainly evident within less than a year. He wasn't fired during the 16-17 season, though he probably deserved to be. If he were going to be impacted by his 2016 failures, it would have happened already.

When we're evaluating this extension, I think we have to look essentially at everything he's done since then. So here's my question: have his recovery efforts over the past 2 years earned him more time?
  • Trading Plumlee and a 2nd for Nurkic and a 1st
  • Trading up for Collins and drafting Swanigan
  • Trading Crabbe for Nicholson
  • Trading Vonleh for nothing
  • Drafting Simons
  • Trading 2 future 2nds Trent
  • Re-signing Nurk for 48M/4y
  • Trading Swanigan for Skal
  • Trading Stauskas/Baldwin/2 2nds for Hood
Now I'm not counting free agent signings that aren't carrying forward (Curry/Kanter), since they have no impact on the team's future. But looking at the past almost 3 years in totality, Olshey has turned Plumlee/Vonleh/Crabbe/4 1sts/5 2nds into Nurkic/Collins/Skal/Simons, and a WCF appearance.

Guess I have to agree with you. I did the work, and I'm still less than impressed.
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He's been instrumental in the Culture that will keep Dame here for a few more years and possible CJ.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
OK--We all know that Olshey royally screwed the pooch July 2016. It was plainly evident within less than a year. He wasn't fired during the 16-17 season, though he probably deserved to be. If he were going to be impacted by his 2016 failures, it would have happened already.

When we're evaluating this extension, I think we have to look essentially at everything he's done since then. So here's my question: have his recovery efforts over the past 2 years earned him more time?
  • Trading Plumlee and a 2nd for Nurkic and a 1st
  • Trading up for Collins and drafting Swanigan
  • Trading Crabbe for Nicholson
  • Trading Vonleh for nothing
  • Drafting Simons
  • Trading 2 future 2nds Trent
  • Re-signing Nurk for 48M/4y
  • Trading Swanigan for Skal
  • Trading Stauskas/Baldwin/2 2nds for Hood
Now I'm not counting free agent signings that aren't carrying forward (Curry/Kanter), since they have no impact on the team's future. But looking at the past almost 3 years in totality, Olshey has turned Plumlee/Vonleh/Crabbe/4 1sts/5 2nds into Nurkic/Collins/Skal/Simons, and a WCF appearance.

Guess I have to agree with you. I did the work, and I'm still less than impressed.
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At the end you count the picks involved in the Trent trade but don't include Trent as someone we have.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
OK--We all know that Olshey royally screwed the pooch July 2016. It was plainly evident within less than a year. He wasn't fired during the 16-17 season, though he probably deserved to be. If he were going to be impacted by his 2016 failures, it would have happened already.

When we're evaluating this extension, I think we have to look essentially at everything he's done since then. So here's my question: have his recovery efforts over the past 2 years earned him more time?
  • Trading Plumlee and a 2nd for Nurkic and a 1st
  • Trading up for Collins and drafting Swanigan
  • Trading Crabbe for Nicholson
  • Trading Vonleh for nothing
  • Drafting Simons
  • Trading 2 future 2nds Trent
  • Re-signing Nurk for 48M/4y
  • Trading Swanigan for Skal
  • Trading Stauskas/Baldwin/2 2nds for Hood
Now I'm not counting free agent signings that aren't carrying forward (Curry/Kanter), since they have no impact on the team's future. But looking at the past almost 3 years in totality, Olshey has turned Plumlee/Vonleh/Crabbe/4 1sts/5 2nds into Nurkic/Collins/Skal/Simons, and a WCF appearance.

Guess I have to agree with you. I did the work, and I'm still less than impressed.
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  • Trading Plumlee and a 2nd for Nurkic and a 1st - Good. Nurk is the Bosnian Beast.
  • Trading up for Collins and drafting Swanigan - Good. Collins is going to be a stud.
  • Trading Crabbe for Nicholson - Good. Bailing the team out of Crabbe's horrible, Paul Allen instigated, contract, & delaying Lux Tax.
  • Trading Vonleh for nothing - Good. Delaying Lux Tax.
  • Drafting Simons - Good. Got a lottery pick talent at the end of a draft.
  • Trading 2 future 2nds Trent - Incomplete. Too soon to tell.
  • Re-signing Nurk for 48M/4y - Awesome. 2nd or 3rd best player at $12M per year is a bargain.
  • Trading Swanigan for Skal - Incomplete. Skal looked good in the last game of the season, but too soon to tell if that translates.
  • Trading Stauskas/Baldwin/2 2nds for Hood - Good. Even if it's just for this past playoff run, we don't get to the WCF without Hood.
Not sure why getting a year of Curry on the cheap isn't at least included as a good move. Probably doesn't do anything for the Blazers after this year, but he certainly helped in having the season that we did. Isn't it part of the GM's job to find short term solutions when needed?

I think Hood and/or Kanter may be back next year and that's at least in part because Olshey brought them in for the playoff run and they got to learn about the team and it's culture. We heard the exit interviews and both want to be back. No way that they listen to a deal for the money the Blazers can offer if they hadn't first had the experience of this season and playing with the team.
 
Back in 2016 Olshey mentioned that in order to do big trades you had to have salary to match. He obviously isn't interested in trading Dame or CJ so he thought having players at those contracts would lead to him being able to wheel and deal. Unfortunately those contracts were all a massive overpay and led to no trade value. However, that could all change between now and the next trade deadline. If Olshey is able to pull off a trade using those contracts that brings in a difference maker then the last three years could still go from being his biggest blunder to something really positive.

Now it remains to be seen if he can pull it off but I'm going to reserve judgement until I see the final results. If those contracts are still on the books after the trade deadline then we just wasted 4 years of Dame's career. Let's hope Neil can pull something off.
 
e_blazer said:
I think Hood and/or Kanter may be back next year and that's at least in part because Olshey brought them in for the playoff run and they got to learn about the team and it's culture. We heard the exit interviews and both want to be back. No way that they listen to a deal for the money the Blazers can offer if they hadn't first had the experience of this season and playing with the team.
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Yeah, I'd have included their short contributions as positives for Neil.

I'm simply referring to his 2016 where he completely shit the bed.
 
hoopsjock said:
Back in 2016 Olshey mentioned that in order to do big trades you had to have salary to match. He obviously isn't interested in trading Dame or CJ so he thought having players at those contracts would lead to him being able to wheel and deal. Unfortunately those contracts were all a massive overpay and led to no trade value. However, that could all change between now and the next trade deadline. If Olshey is able to pull off a trade using those contracts that brings in a difference maker then the last three years could still go from being his biggest blunder to something really positive.

Now it remains to be seen if he can pull it off but I'm going to reserve judgement until I see the final results. If those contracts are still on the books after the trade deadline then we just wasted 4 years of Dame's career. Let's hope Neil can pull something off.
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The next year is the time that Olshey should've been evaluated for being worthy of an extension or not.
 
hoopsjock said:
Back in 2016 Olshey mentioned that in order to do big trades you had to have salary to match. He obviously isn't interested in trading Dame or CJ so he thought having players at those contracts would lead to him being able to wheel and deal. Unfortunately those contracts were all a massive overpay and led to no trade value. However, that could all change between now and the next trade deadline. If Olshey is able to pull off a trade using those contracts that brings in a difference maker then the last three years could still go from being his biggest blunder to something really positive.

Now it remains to be seen if he can pull it off but I'm going to reserve judgement until I see the final results. If those contracts are still on the books after the trade deadline then we just wasted 4 years of Dame's career. Let's hope Neil can pull something off.
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Yeah... Let's see him pull off the trick of getting someone to take Turner's contract...

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hoopsjock said:
For your boy Blake Griffin!
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Sorry but I'm really tired of hearing of this... Do we REALLY want this GARBAGE contract when we already KNOW what's gonna happen??

Age Year Base Salary

30 2019-20: $34,234,964

31 2020-21: $36,595,996

32 2021-22: $38,957,028 ******(player option)******
 
dviss1 said:
Sorry but I'm really tired of hearing of this... Do we REALLY want this GARBAGE contract when we already KNOW what's gonna happen??

Age Year Base Salary

30 2019-20: $34,234,964

31 2020-21: $36,595,996

32 2021-22: $38,957,028 ******(player option)******
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This was the first year he had played over 67 games in a season in 6 years. He was also injured in the playoffs and has played an average of 58.5 games over the last 6 years as well.
 
Rhal said:
This was the first year he had played over 67 games in a season in 6 years. He was also injured in the playoffs and has played an average of 58.5 games over the last 6 years as well.
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Exactly why I'm saying fuck that.

Nope, I would rather be rid of Turner's contract sooner, than to trade it for Blake's more HORRIBLE one.
 
dviss1 said:
Exactly why I'm saying fuck that.

Nope, I would rather be rid of Turner's contract sooner, than to trade it for Blake's more HORRIBLE one.
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Blake Griffin with how physical he played it just seems like his body is breaking down and while his game has become better and less reliant on his athleticism, the miles he put on his body with how he played is going to come back to end his career short much like Gerald Wallace.
 
Rhal said:
This was the first year he had played over 67 games in a season in 6 years. He was also injured in the playoffs and has played an average of 58.5 games over the last 6 years as well.
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Hes played in over 72% of his games the last 5 years. Not great but not terrible. I'd take a 60 game season and a 72% chance of BG playing in the playoffs.
 
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