WOJ: Dame wants the super max extension

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handiman said:
Gretzky? Can anything bad be said about him other than leaving Edmonton after a glorious run? I'm not sure they would even view that as a negative, all things considered.
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Someone, somewhere, hated Wayne Gretzky. I guarantee it.
 
I never had an issue with Roy until he started whining in the media about getting an extra year on his contract. He kept saying he wanted to get the extra year so that he could go and recruit other players to Portland, and I thought that was pretty self-serving since he should be recruiting etc anyway, as the team's highest-paid player. It ended up that he had a hurt knee all the time that he was negotiating. Dame has taken that to another level though, leaking to the media that he might ask for a trade if the Blazers don't trade away draft picks for player rentals so that he can win now. I am a fan of the team, not one player, so I naturally am bothered by someone who demands to mortgage the future of my favorite team so that he can get more money and notoriety. That's why I call him selfish. I'm sure his teammates like him, etc. and he gets plenty of assists, so he involves his teammates. He doesn't play defense, but I don't know if that is selfish or just a lack of ability. He certainly got punked by Jrue Holiday in that series sweep vs. the Pelicans. How anyone can call him a generational superstar after that performance is beyond me - it takes some serious mental gymnastics to explain that away.

Somebody above pointed out that critics of Lillard are pointing out facts, and I agree with that. The facts are, Lillard has never led a contender, and that deferring to him, paying him supermax contracts and bringing in personnel that he wanted, etc has not led to winning. Quite the opposite in fact; the team has been in steady decline for some time, culminating in last year's lottery season. When a team flirts with the luxury tax every year and then finds itself in the lottery, there is something very seriously wrong. To not put some blame on the supposed team leader, especially when his whining has led to a lot of the moves that caused the problems is disingenuous. I get that people want to be fans of the players, but seriously, don't you like winning? Lillard and his program don't win. It's long since time to do something different. Giving him another supermax extension is not different - it's more of the same.
 
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John Law said:
I never had an issue with Roy until he started whining in the media about getting an extra year on his contract. He kept saying he wanted to get the extra year so that he could go and recruit other players to Portland, and I thought that was pretty self-serving since he should be recruiting etc anyway, as the team's highest-paid player. It ended up that he had a hurt knee all the time that he was negotiating. Dame has taken that to another level though, leaking to the media that he might ask for a trade if the Blazers don't trade away draft picks for player rentals so that he can win now. I am a fan of the team, not one player, so I naturally am bothered by someone who demands to mortgage the future of my favorite team so that he can get more money and notoriety. That's why I call him selfish. I'm sure his teammates like him, etc. and he gets plenty of assists, so he involves his teammates. He doesn't play defense, but I don't know if that is selfish or just a lack of ability.

Somebody above pointed out that critics of Lillard are pointing out facts, and I agree with that. The facts are, Lillard has never led a contender, and that deferring to him, paying him supermax contracts and bringing in personnel that he wanted, etc has not led to winning. Quite the opposite in fact; the team has been in steady decline for some time, culminating in last year's lottery season. When a team flirts with the luxury tax every year and then finds itself in the lottery, there is something very seriously wrong. To not put some blame on the supposed team leader, especially when his whining has led to a lot of the moves that caused the problems is disingenuous. I get that people want to be fans of the players, but seriously, don't you like winning? Lillard and his program don't win. It's long since time to do something different.
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First I need your sources that say Lillard leaked to the media that he would demand a trade period... I know of one source that everyone ran with and when Lillard went on his show and confronted him about it, admitted that it wasn't a real report but conjecture from a fourth party source. Also that guy didn't even say that draft picks needed to be traded. So you're just making shit up unless you have some valid report I'm unaware of. That addresses the bullshit in your first paragraph.

As for your facts. Lillard has never had anyone building a team around him besides Olshey and he's never had a coach besides Stotts (if we can all agree that he didn't really play this last season). So if you think Olshey did a great job or if you think the GM doesn't matter because Dame is pulling all of the strings then cool... I think that both of those are absolutely wrong but cool. If you think that Stotts did the best job possible maximizing Dame's potential then again, cool... I think that's absolutely wrong. If you don't think those people did a good job then the fact that Dame hasn't led a team past the conference finals has no reflection on the level of player he is.

The fact is he has been a top player in points created for over half a decade. The fact is that those who vote for all nba teams disagree with your opinion that he's not a superstar and top player in this league. So you are obviously in the minority in your opinion that Dame has always been overpaid. The opinion that the seemingly impending extension is a mistake seems to have a good amount of people on both sides but your facts aren't facts they are correlations that you are saying make sense and I'm saying are very spurious. So they are in fact opinions.
 
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I had this at around 2 yrs, 107. Guessing the 15 might be incentives.
 
Also 122???? Holy fuck that’s more in two years than Ant in 4.
 
Everyone is reporting this now. How are they getting to this 120 number? Literally thought the max amount eligible was 35% of the cap with 8% raises even for a 10yr supermax.
 
illmatic99 said:
fine with that. just hope there's no no-trade clause.
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So he's got 4 years on his deal before the PO. Ant and Nurk do as well. I guess the Blazers can technically pivot to Ant completely at that point? I doubt Dame would turn down 64 million dollars at age 36 though...
 
illmatic99 said:
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I had this at around 2 yrs, 107. Guessing the 15 might be incentives.
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Chris Haynes has built his reputation well and gone far in the last few years. I think he’s well respected by players around the league.

Cool to see him get the news like Woj
 
B-Roy said:
So he's got 4 years on his deal before the PO. Ant and Nurk do as well. I guess the Blazers can technically pivot to Ant completely at that point? I doubt Dame would turn down 64 million dollars at age 36 though...
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I had his numbers at:

22-23: 42.492
23-24: 45.64
24-25: 48.79
25-26: 52.69
26-27: 56.91 (PO)

Not sure how they're getting to 122. This comes to 5yr, 247.
 
BlazerBeav said:
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Love Dame, but there is no way he is worth that at age 35/36. I know, loyalty, leadership, and all that, but at some point, for it to be worth it, doesn't that need to translate into post-season success? Likely, I'll take a bashing for this, but I've just seen too many franchises hang on to their players and the contracts end up hamstringing the franchise. I suppose it is one thing if that player has brought relevance and titles, but that isn't close to being the case here.
 
Your wrong TB -- Players are able to keep themselves much more fit and in shape then EVER before -- well right and wrong -- NO PLAYER is worth this but in terms of the NBA and how things go -- he is worth every Dame Dolla
 
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