Would someone explain to me why Judgement Day is supposed to be this Sunday?

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Apparently the Rapture is on the 21st. How was this determined? Do any of you believe it?
 
If it's on the interwebs it's true.

Be afraid!

:MARIS61:
 
Harold Camping determined that the rapture was going to happen on May 21st, and then the universe will actually end on October 21st. He predicted much of the same nonsense in 1994 and blamed a "mathematical error" when the world didn't end.

Here's the "math" for the current prediction (via wikipedia):

According to Camping, the number five equals "atonement", the number ten equals "completeness", and the number seventeen equals "heaven".

Christ is said to have hung on the cross on April 1, 33 AD. The time between April 1, 33 AD and April 1, 2011 is 1,978 years.

If 1,978 is multiplied by 365.2422 days (the number of days in a solar year, not to be confused with the lunar year), the result is 722,449.

The time between April 1 and May 21 is 51 days.

51 added to 722,449 is 722,500.

(5 × 10 × 17) squared or (atonement × completeness × heaven) squared also equals 722,500.

Thus, Camping concludes that 5 × 10 × 17 is telling us a "story from the time Christ made payment for our sins until we're completely saved."
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i am willing to have sex with whomever before the world ends, pm me
 
Sunday is the 22nd, not the 21st. We have one less day to live! :MARIS61:
 
Because some jerk thought he could make money selling books saying so.

Don't give away your worldly goods yet.
 
I'm reminded of a biblical passage...
In Matt. 24:35-36 Jesus said, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away. 36"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone
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I'm thinking that if the incarnate Christ didn't know when the world was ending until He was resurrected and glorified, some numerologist isn't going to figure it out on his own.

For example, why just square the product when in the hebrew repetition 3x is what makes something superlative? "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord GOD Almighty". Et cetera.
 
crandc said:
Because some jerk thought he could make money selling books saying so.

Don't give away your worldly goods yet.
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Well, you can give some away to those in need. That's always acceptable, whether or not some jerk is writing books.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I'm reminded of a biblical passage...


I'm thinking that if the incarnate Christ didn't know when the world was ending until He was resurrected and glorified, some numerologist isn't going to figure it out on his own.

For example, why just square the product when in the hebrew repetition 3x is what makes something superlative? "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord GOD Almighty". Et cetera.
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That world will eventually end due to either natural causes or our own destruction. That quote is just a good way of predicting that without giving it a solid time frame. Nicely done, Christians!
 
it's more to say "Stop worrying about when the world ends or eschatology or what the 'third heaven' means...live the way Jesus said to live and the rest will happen as it happens without intervention or prompting from us"
 
no one's stopping you. The Bible is the guidebook for Christians. It's not my place as a Christian to tell you to change what you're doing. The Bible tells me to tell you about what Christ did and said, and what that means as the Bible relates it. If you choose to believe, great. If not, no skin off my nose. But you cannot reconcile "living the way (you) want to live" with "the only way to heaven is by confessing Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and believing that God raised him from the dead". Either live like Jesus is the boss of your life, or that you are. My salvation isn't dependent on if I can car-salesman you into believing my hocus-pocus. My salvation is dependent on living like Jesus is the boss of my life, and believing that God did what He says He did. :dunno:
 
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BrianFromWA said:
no one's stopping you. The Bible is the guidebook for Christians. It's not my place as a Christian to tell you to change what you're doing. The Bible tells me to tell you about what Christ did and said, and what that means as the Bible relates it. If you choose to believe, great. If not, no skin off my nose. But you cannot reconcile "living the way (you) want to live" with "the only way to heaven is by confessing Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and believing that God raised him from the dead". Either live like Jesus is the boss of your life, or that you are. My salvation isn't dependent on if I can car-salesman you into believing my hocus-pocus. My salvation is dependent on living like Jesus is the boss of my life, and believing that God did what He says He did. :dunno:
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So what do you believe will happen to me when I die? Or when this Rapture shit happens?
 
Colonel Ronan said:
So what do you believe will happen to me when I die? Or when this Rapture shit happens?
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I don't get much into the "Left Behind" stuff...I don't know how the 1000 year reign will go or what for the armies of Gog and Magog may take or whether "My Car Will Be Unmanned in Case of Rapture". I trust the Holy Spirit when He details that Jesus wins the battle in Revelation 20, and the glory of Revelation 21.

But to answer your question, I believe that everyone who confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that God raised Him from the dead for the forgiveness of sins will live eternally with Him. I believe that those who do not are judged for their sins, having not accepted the gift of Christ's atonement, will be eternally separated from God. Some believe (and I'm not sure...I don't like to think much about it, to be honest) that they will be cast with Satan into a literal Lake of Fire (Rev. 20, 14-15) to be tormented forever. I believe the torment comes from living in a place eternally without any semblance of God's grace.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I don't get much into the "Left Behind" stuff...I don't know how the 1000 year reign will go or what for the armies of Gog and Magog may take or whether "My Car Will Be Unmanned in Case of Rapture". I trust the Holy Spirit when He details that Jesus wins the battle in Revelation 20, and the glory of Revelation 21.

But to answer your question, I believe that everyone who confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that God raised Him from the dead for the forgiveness of sins will live eternally with Him. I believe that those who do not are judged for their sins, having not accepted the gift of Christ's atonement, will be eternally separated from God. Some believe (and I'm not sure...I don't like to think much about it, to be honest) that they will be cast with Satan into a literal Lake of Fire (Rev. 20, 14-15) to be tormented forever. I believe the torment comes from living in a place eternally without any semblance of God's grace.
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I know you can't answer these questions because you're just a mortal (lol) but whatever... Don't you think the whole "cast into a fiery pit" stuff should be for Christians that sin? I don't understand why the non-believers are dragged into this. Surely if they don't believe in God, Jesus, Heaven, Hell then they are immune to SATAN!
 
i asked a pastor once when i was younger what happens to 1 year old chinese babies when they die, or jungle tribesman...he said that the babies go straight in to heaven and the tribesman will get a chance to accept jesus into their hearts after they die. and then he raped me.

ok, heres the thing....if the tribesman was raised his whole life to believe in dookoo the dung god, why would he just blindly accept jesus after his death? maybe it is dookoo trying to test his faith with a false prophet? hmmmmmmmmm, fucked

i say, just do the ol' golden rule, and believe in something, something kind, and if there is something after all this, it would take a cruel god to exclude you.
 
What if you believe in Dookoo, but you've never heard of Satan? When a non-Christian from Borneo dies, does he live with Dookoo or Satan? He'd live in a different culture. Satan might make you eat dung beatles, while in Borneo they might love eating them.
 
What if in Borneo, Dookoo's enemy god is Vookoo, like in voodoo. What happens if I am born in Borneo and I rebel all my life against Dookoo. Do Dookoo and Vookoo agree on where to send me? Do I wind up in Vookoo's hell or Satan's hell? Is Satan just for honkies or is he the bad god outside of Christianity, too?

Have any of these rules been worked out in Judaism? Maybe they can give Christianity some guidance.
 
BrianFromWA said:
it's more to say "Stop worrying about when the world ends or eschatology or what the 'third heaven' means...live the way Jesus said to live and the rest will happen as it happens without intervention or prompting from us"
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I'm no Christian but if the so called Christians would spend more time feeding the hungry, welcoming the strangers, sheltering the homeless, visiting the sick and prisoners, et al instead of cutting food stamps, union busting, demonizing immigrants, ending medicare, outlawing familly planning and hating gays, I could agree with that.
 
crandc said:
I'm no Christian but if the so called Christians would spend more time feeding the hungry, welcoming the strangers, sheltering the homeless, visiting the sick and prisoners, et al instead of cutting food stamps, union busting, demonizing immigrants, ending medicare, outlawing familly planning and hating gays, I could agree with that.
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It's partially because of what you're seeing. You've not responded to a single post of mine where I talk about all of those other things (except "welcoming strangers"...I don't exactly know what that means). When I've watched Anderson Cooper and Rachel Maddow talking about Christians it's almost invariably some whack-o who claims to be a Christian yet thinks he sees blood dripping from his statue or Jesus' face on his waffles. Our ministry was featured on King 5 news in Seattle b/c one of the Saturday nights that we fed about 300 homeless people was the last night of that shelter--their funding had not come through and the mission had to close. But that wasn't commented upon, either.

I personally don't know what wanting to stop people from being allowed to break the law has to do with the Revelation Lake of Fire, but sure.

I'm also confused about which passage in the Bible (or Constitution) states that people are entitled have subsidized medical coverage from the best doctors in the world and that my paycheck is allowed to be taxed for abortion purposes. I guess if one is able to change worldviews based upon how it appeals to what one wants to do at that particular moment, it makes sense. I can see how it's hard to understand someone with firm principles based on a worldview revolving around a sovereign God.
 
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