Would you take a voluntary pay-cut in this economy?

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"Not to sound snobby, but I don't wipe my ass with less than $100,000"

Again, my point is simply that it is naive to assume that anyone earning over $100,000 can absorb the loss of 30% of their salary without any repercussions. I'm making no indication regarding whether I would accept such an offer. Thanks for being rude, though. For a minute there I had forgotten that I was on the Blazers OT forum.
 
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There is something you can do about it. I'm not sure what that something is, but since the majority of families in this country make less than $100K, it is obviously possible to get by in that circumstance.

In fact the median household income is only around $50k.

barfo


Yeah, and most americans eat frozen TV dinners and cup of noodles for dinner!
 
That being said, you live in Idaho. Your cost of living is dramatically different than someone who lives in NY, LA or San Francisco.

It's all the same, relatively speaking. Cost of living is proportionate to the salaries available.

The difference is if there were no incomes at all, Idahoans would live off the land and share with their neighbors to survive, while NYer's, LAer's and Bayfolks would rob and pillage each other to survive.

One more reason I love life in Beautiful Central Oregon.
 
I'm self-employed so I make what I'm worth.

When times are hard, I have to work harder, smarter, and longer to make what I'm worth, but I pretty much control my own destiny.

I've worked for companies huge and tiny, and public and private, but I'm by far the most qualified boss I've ever had. :drumroll:
 
I'm self-employed so I make what I'm worth.

When times are hard, I have to work harder, smarter, and longer to make what I'm worth, but I pretty much control my own destiny.

I've worked for companies huge and tiny, and public and private, but I'm by far the most qualified boss I've ever had. :drumroll:

Plus you can have sex with your boss at any time you want!
 
Again, my point is simply that it is naive to assume that anyone earning over $100,000 can absorb the loss of 30% of their salary without any repercussions. I'm making no indication regarding whether I would accept such an offer. Thanks for being rude, though. For a minute there I had forgotten that I was on the Blazers OT forum.

It's easier for someone making 100K a year vs someone making 35K a year in similar scenarios (children, house, car, etc).

If you want to act like that was being rude, so be it. But it just comes off as someone who makes more money than the average person on here (I would guess) acting like they're struggling pay-check to pay-check. Yes, a 30K loss in pay would hurt, but I'm sure there are a lot of people who would love to have that struggle on their hands instead of that of someone losing 10% of their pay (or their job).
 
Again, my point is simply that it is naive to assume that anyone earning over $100,000 can absorb the loss of 30% of their salary without any repercussions. I'm making no indication regarding whether I would accept such an offer. Thanks for being rude, though. For a minute there I had forgotten that I was on the Blazers OT forum.

I'm not saying you wouldn't feel any repercussions. Just that you'd adapt your lifestyle pretty damned quickly and within several months you'd be surprised that you thought you couldn't live with less.

For example, you'd probably ditch the private school for the kids. I know you say it's "required" in Florida, but the public school in Idaho isn't any great shakes either. But I came out all right, and my best friend did better with his Idaho public education than almost any privately educated kid in the state. You'd probably just look at moving to a school district that was better and find a cheaper house to live in.

My parents were oddballs. Always lived a $50k/year lifestyle, even though my dad owned his own law firm (with 15 associates). He drove a 25 year old beater Mercedes diesel with 300k on it, and when the engine blew he had the mechanic drop in a replacement used engine. We used to joke that his receptionist showed up to work in a better car than he did.

And it trickled down to me, somewhat. Nobody in my family has ever bought a car that was newer than 5 years old. I doubt there are more than a couple of people in my neighborhood (beside my wife and me) with a college education. My neighbor works at Albertsons. The kids who rent across the street throw a party every friday night....

But even with my spendthrift upbringing, I have a 42" plasma and 5 computers in my house and I eat out 2 nights a week. I don't owe a penny to anybody but the mortgage on my house, but I often feel guilty that as cheap as I am I have less than $40k in savings.

I really think my family needs to tighten the belt up more. The coming couple of years are only going to get worse, and I think there's going to be in for a run on inflation that'll make us nostalgic for the 1970's. I wish I'd saved more during the fat years....
 
I'm so upset about 97.1. It was my favorite station. Leykis and John/Jeff are wrong on so many issues in my opinion but they were also fun to listen to.
 
But, should he need to look for a job, so are his employment possibilities.

To the original question, it would depend on what the company's plans for the future were. I could certainly live on 30% less; I currently save around that much. If it happens this Monday, my choice would most likely be to retire. But, again, it depends on the specifics.

Edit: I guess my math was a little imprecise. I saved 41% of my gross salary last year. So if I took a 30% salary cut, I'd still be able to save something at my current standard of living. But, I'm obviously an exception, most people don't have as large a gap between earnings and spending as I do. Being a cheap bastard does have its advantages.

barfo

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"
 
It's easier for someone making 100K a year vs someone making 35K a year in similar scenarios (children, house, car, etc).

If you want to act like that was being rude, so be it. But it just comes off as someone who makes more money than the average person on here (I would guess) acting like they're struggling pay-check to pay-check. Yes, a 30K loss in pay would hurt, but I'm sure there are a lot of people who would love to have that struggle on their hands instead of that of someone losing 10% of their pay (or their job).

This would be true if the $35K earner and $100K earner both owned $100K homes. More likely, the $100K earner owns a $600K or $1M home, and those get foreclosed on when the owner can't make his $4K/mo mortgage payments just as a $100K home would be when the owner can't make his $600/mo mortgage payments.
 
It's easier for someone making 100K a year vs someone making 35K a year in similar scenarios (children, house, car, etc).

If you want to act like that was being rude, so be it. But it just comes off as someone who makes more money than the average person on here (I would guess) acting like they're struggling pay-check to pay-check. Yes, a 30K loss in pay would hurt, but I'm sure there are a lot of people who would love to have that struggle on their hands instead of that of someone losing 10% of their pay (or their job).

No, please don't get me wrong; I'm very fortunate, and very grateful for everything that I have. I am just willing to serve as a case study for the purposes of this thread. But if I'm going to serve as a case study, I should probably add a couple of addendums: (1) I did go to school for a very long time, at VERY great expense; (2) I did struggle for a long time, because I loved my job more than I wanted a larger paycheck, and over time my salary gradually increased; and (3) my family income DID decrease by a lot more than that 30% threshold when my wife left her job and returned to school, so in a sense I've already gone through this once. Yes, I did take offense with the "I wouldn't wipe my ass for less than 100k" remark, because, again, I'm just willing to use myself as a case study, and you're basing that on a very small picture of me, and it isn't accurate at all. [I'm also assuming that the hypothetical person in my situation doesn't have any money saved for an emergency, but wants to continue to pay all his expenses through his take-home income]

All that said, many of my expenses relate to my home. Now, I carefully chose to purchase the house I did based on a thorough analysis of my income and expected expenses, and what qualities the house had to have (for instance, I work at home for the time being, so I needed a dedicated home office). I calculated exactly what I could afford, and I purchased an appropriate house. If only everyone else did this, we wouldn't be in this mortgage mess we're in right now. However, those expenses are now part of by basic cost structure, and are impossible to reduce. I pay a certain amount in property tax, home insurance, upkeep, utilities, etc., and there isn't much I can do about it. If I thought that there was a chance that my income would drop by 30% in the future, I would have certainly taken that into account and purchased a different house in a less expensive area. However, I can't simply trade my house for a smaller, less expensive one. That's just reality.

As for children, first, you can't do anything about the cost of daycare if your children are not school-age. however, in different parts of the country these costs can differ wildly. In some areas you couldn't find a day care for less than $18-20,000, but I'll bet it is a bit less than that in Oregon. Here in Florida, such expenses are at about the national average rate. There's no way I'd put my children in public school here, but that attitude would change once we move out of this state in a few years. It's unfair to them, and it is something I'd be willing to go into debt to avoid if I had to. [it's less than the cost of day care in suburban DC, though]. For one thing--and this is something for those without kids to think about--many states have a cut-off birth date for entering kindergarten. That is, if you are born after a certain date, you are ineligible to enter school. Many states have waiver provisions (if you can prove you're smart, you can still get in), but some, like Florida, refuse to make any exceptions. So, for example, my oldest daughter, who reads on a third-grade level, would be fingerpainting in kindergarten right now if she was in public school. It's something people don't think about, but if your child is born just a few weeks earlier, she can start school sooner, and you can avoid an entire year of child-care expenses. It's nothing to sneeze at. If my kids could be placed at an appropriate grade for them, I'd have no problem with public school (although I have some worries about how the sciences are taught here in Florida).

If I HAD to take a reduction in pay, I'd probably start by reducing my contributions to my retirement plan, if my employer allowed me to adjust the figure in the middle of the year. If you can only adjust the figure at the end of the year, then it would be quite unfair for an employer to allow you to lock yourself in and then tell you that you have to take a paycut. At some point, my wife would have to drop out and get a job.

Mook, you have some good suggestions, but again, the reality is that you can't simply put your house on the market right now and expect to sell it in a few weeks. And, of course, basic cost structure is very different in different parts of the country. Expenses like utilities and insurance vary greatly across the country.

But back to the example: Things would be different if the employees were given large raises over the past few years, though. Then obviously it shouldn't be as difficult for them to reduce their wages back to an earlier point. That's a piece of information we don't have. Also, if the employees already get paid less than their counterparts in the rest of the industry, it would be difficult as well.

Of course, a good chunk of that 30% reduction would be recovered through a reduction in taxes, so taht would have to be taken into account when figuring out what you could or couldn't afford.
 
Actually, it does. At least if you manage it properly.

The problem is that lifestyle always seems to expand to income. Nearly everybody who is employed thinks that if they could double their current income they'd be happy, but if/when they eventually do, the spending has expanded at the same pace. So they aren't "rich."

However, lifestyle can also contract to income. If the economy goes further down the crapper and we all lose 30% of our income due to spiraling inflation, it'd be tough for a while but most of us would get by. We'd drive more Hondas and fewer Mercedes. Maybe take public transportation. We'd buy less Xboxes and ditch the Netflix subscription and maybe the land line. We'd tell our kids to wait a few years for college, driving down enrollment and forcing universities to finally do something to contain costs. We'd move to cheaper houses, renting more.

For the working poor it'd absolutely suck, but for much of the middle and upper class it'd just be something we'd deal with, and probably come out the better on the other side.

Fair enough. I don't claim to have made the greatest money decisions for my family in the past, but if someone would buy the upside-down car I have, sure, I'd trade in the convertible for a Honda and a 30% reduction in car payment.

And yeah, I already go to Safeway and Trader Joes less and WinCo and Grocery Outlet more. Doesn't save me 30% on food.

And the mortgage I'm upside down on? Sure, due to the new forecasts I'll sell my house to you for just what I owe, not make a dime of profit and live in an apartment for a 30% savings. But I don't think you'll buy it for that. Buying high and selling low doesn't seem to be anywhere in Rich Dad, Poor Dad.

I bought a new suit at Macy's last week for 70% off, b/c the 3 I had were getting pretty worn from 3 years of wearing them a lot at the job I'm in. I just bought 3 pairs of trousers at Goodwill last week for a total of 14.97. But since I didn't buy anything last year, I can't say that's a 30% reduction.

I don't argue that lifestyle can expand to fit income. I'm telling you from experience that it's a lot harder to go the opposite. And if you doubled my salary, I would be quite happy. I'd be out of debt quicker, have the nest egg built faster, and still do the things I am currently doing. That's called "experience".
 
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I live cheaply in general (rent, don't buy new gadgets, don't decorate really, etc), although I do blow a lot of money travelling and partying. I'd probably cut that down if I lost 30%.
 
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