Would you trade BRoy if there were a taker?

[BoomChakaLaka]

I think there is a chance for both. Maybe not all 82 games for Roy, (That is rare for most) but 85% of what he was. Which still means he can hit a pull up jumper unlike most players.

As for the new CBA I think they almost have to make that rule. If they want to lower the Cap for every team and make it hard for it to escalate, then they have to start with the newer contracts and create grandfather clauses for the old ones. They will have to ease it in or they will not get support from the players or owners who don't want to lose their stars.

Roy's contract is hardly the big issue for the Blazers in the off season.

Business is business. BRoy, is done. For him, I hope this is not the case and that he can somehow resolve his knee issues and make a successful return. But with both Roy and Oden with problems - how can the team move ahead without moving one or both? It is not pragmatic. Not good business.

Sometimes you must cut your losses. I truly believe that the team should cut their losses with both Roy and Oden. Move on. Move forward. Free up cap space and rebuild. It is the only direction that makes good business sense.

If this is accomplished, within three years we'll be back in the playoffs with a good, young team and with any luck - and we need luck! - we build another winner.

If this is not done (moving Roy and Oden) it is much like playing this weekend's PowerBall and buying 100 million tickets in attempts to win. There is a strong likelihood - even after buying 100 million tickets, that you would not win the jackpot.

Let other teams roll the dice on Roy and Oden. Perhaps they win the lottery by doing so? But this team can no longer waste money and cap space on a hope and 100 million lottery tickets.

 

[Rhal]

Wait...what? Trading him is no bueno, but cutting him outright is OK? What am I missing here?

Yea my brain works weird. Cutting him saves a lot of money now and you could turn it into good publicity while trading Roy, especially for another bad contract or pretty much nothing, would get a lot of bad rep no matter how you look at it.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Yea my brain works weird. Cutting him saves a lot of money now and you could turn it into good publicity while trading Roy, especially for another bad contract or pretty much nothing, would get a lot of bad rep no matter how you look at it.

I utterly fail to see the difference between waiving him and trading him from a PR standpoint. People that would be upset would be that way because he's gone, not how he was gotten rid of.

 

[Rhal]

I utterly fail to see the difference between waiving him and trading him from a PR standpoint. People that would be upset would be that way because he's gone, not how he was gotten rid of.

I just see people being able to swallow the "we waived him to save money" pill, easier then "we traded Roy for this horrible player because it was all we could get for him" pill.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I just see people being able to swallow the "we waived him to save money" pill, easier then "we traded Roy for this horrible player because it was all we could get for him" pill.

Maybe I'm projecting a little bit here, but somehow I get the feeling that most fans don't really look at the dollars and cents part of roster management. Creating cap room by waiving him with an amnesty clause certainly makes more sense to me than trading him for another bad contract, but on the other hand I don't much care if Roy stays or goes. If people are upset with Roy's departure I'm assuming it would be mostly about some kind of emotional attachment to Roy the player rather than some "bean counter" issue.

 

[STOMP]

We better hope for one of two things:

1.) There is a clause in the new CBA that allows a team to have a one time deal where a player's salary no longer counts against the cap.
2.) B-Roy comes back at 85% of what he was two years ago and plays every game next season.

The team will not trade the guy no matter what happens.

agreed... #2 would require a major medical breakthrough/miracle. I'm much more hopeful about #1

of course most likely neither happens. I fear occational spikes of offense counterbalancing overall meh play and no D keeping the team from finding a new identity. Unfortunately I expect more whining to the media about not knowing his role. It would be great if he would accept his fate as a peripheral player rather then the man or even hopes of being Robin to LA's Batman. About the smoothest way to transition away from that drama would be to have Greg or another player really step up and command the focus.

STOMP

 

[MARIS61]

This team is treading water at best as long as they continue to live in denial.

If The Choad values his job he needs to move Roy, and probably Oden, this summer.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Business is business. BRoy, is done. For him, I hope this is not the case and that he can somehow resolve his knee issues and make a successful return. But with both Roy and Oden with problems - how can the team move ahead without moving one or both? It is not pragmatic. Not good business.

Sometimes you must cut your losses. I truly believe that the team should cut their losses with both Roy and Oden. Move on. Move forward. Free up cap space and rebuild. It is the only direction that makes good business sense.

If this is accomplished, within three years we'll be back in the playoffs with a good, young team and with any luck - and we need luck! - we build another winner.

If this is not done (moving Roy and Oden) it is much like playing this weekend's PowerBall and buying 100 million tickets in attempts to win. There is a strong likelihood - even after buying 100 million tickets, that you would not win the jackpot.

Let other teams roll the dice on Roy and Oden. Perhaps they win the lottery by doing so? But this team can no longer waste money and cap space on a hope and 100 million lottery tickets.

So you are suggesting we cut Oden to create cap space for what? Or do you think we can trade him for a top draft pick? Funny.

Same with Roy. You know we won't get shit in a trade, so you want to basically trade him for an expiring contract. News flash, we won't get top free agents. So go ahead and gamble with the NBA lottery, because cap space is worthless in terms of getting someone who will bring a championship. Role players are the only thing you will get. We have plenty of those.

 

[oldmangrouch]

This team is treading water at best as long as they continue to live in denial.

If The Choad values his job he needs to move Roy, and probably Oden, this summer.

This.

Why is the team worse today than it was 2 years ago? Most folks would say that "injuries" was the excuse. Time to remove that excuse.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

So you are suggesting we cut Oden to create cap space for what? Or do you think we can trade him for a top draft pick? Funny.

Same with Roy. You know we won't get shit in a trade, so you want to basically trade him for an expiring contract. News flash, we won't get top free agents. So go ahead and gamble with the NBA lottery, because cap space is worthless in terms of getting someone who will bring a championship. Role players are the only thing you will get. We have plenty of those.

Exactly! Roy will only be a role player - and one that actually hurts us than helps us (need me to elaborate?) and Oden....don't even remember him being a "role player" to date!

I don't care if we don't get anything in return - if we can move Roy and Oden, free up cap space, we can at least get bodies! And if we can get only draft picks - so be it.

What is funny (not) is hanging on to Roy and Oden.

 

[PapaG]

This.

Why is the team worse today than it was 2 years ago? Most folks would say that "injuries" was the excuse. Time to remove that excuse.

Because they traded away BLANKY and Outlaw?

 

[PapaG]

Exactly! Roy will only be a role player - and one that actually hurts us than helps us (need me to elaborate?) and Oden....don't even remember him being a "role player" to date!

I don't care if we don't get anything in return - if we can move Roy and Oden, free up cap space, we can at least get bodies! And if we can get only draft picks - so be it.

What is funny (not) is hanging on to Roy and Oden.

Yes, I do need you to elaborate. How do you get rid of these two yet improve the team?

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Yes, I do need you to elaborate. How do you get rid of these two yet improve the team?

Freeing up dollars (Roy and Oden) can get us healthy players; healthy players over injured players improves any team.

Roy will never be the same - and now hurts the team when he is on the floor (with the exception of one playoff game...and ONLY because HE made every shot) and Oden simply doesn't and probably will never play.

I think this speaks for itself.

Yes, I'd rather have a team of rookies (healthy) or wiley old veterans (healthy) than to go through another 2010-1011 Roy-Oden season!

Just my opinion

 

[magnifier661]

Freeing up dollars (Roy and Oden) can get us healthy players; healthy players over injured players improves any team.

Roy will never be the same - and now hurts the team when he is on the floor (with the exception of one playoff game...and ONLY because HE made every shot) and Oden simply doesn't and probably will never play.

I think this speaks for itself.

Yes, I'd rather have a team of rookies (healthy) or wiley old veterans (healthy) than to go through another 2010-1011 Roy-Oden season!

Just my opinion

I know you aren't a hater, but the two games we won against Dallas, Roy had a great game. All the games we lost; Roy was basically a "non-factor" in the game.

 

[STOMP]

I know you aren't a hater, but the two games we won against Dallas, Roy had a great game. All the games we lost; Roy was basically a "non-factor" in the game.

so you are a "hater" if you point out that Roy is a "non-factor" or worse more times then not?

STOMP

 

[PapaG]

so you are a "hater" if you point out that Roy is a "non-factor" or worse more times then not?

STOMP

That's not bad from a bench player, though. The real blame lies on the PG, IMO, who dominated the ball at times, and put up a terrible WS compared to his usage rate.

Roy put up a 16.5 PER off of the bench, which is perfectly acceptable for a role player.

So ... I think you're a hater.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Exactly! Roy will only be a role player - and one that actually hurts us than helps us (need me to elaborate?) and Oden....don't even remember him being a "role player" to date!

I don't care if we don't get anything in return - if we can move Roy and Oden, free up cap space, we can at least get bodies! And if we can get only draft picks - so be it.

What is funny (not) is hanging on to Roy and Oden.

That's not being a hater, that's being ridiculous. What do you think you will win with "bodies". I agree with Papa G, PG is still the key. And cap space is not going to get you Deron Williams or Chris Paul. 25 teams need a better PG. We are not alone. But all this fucking BRoy talk is absurd. You guys think if we shed some salary we will get better? When has that happened? Once or twice in 4 decades?

I am not saying Oden and Roy should never be traded, I am just saying dumping their contracts for nothing is insane. We do need another star besides LMA to win anything. But dumping those two will not get you that star. So stop fixating on their salaries until it is an issue. We are not players in free agency. We never have been. If you really care about Paul Allen's money than worry what will happen if we got rid of Roy and Oden for more worthless rookies or old vets that are long past their prime.

 

[Drttimmy]

I know you aren't a hater, but the two games we won against Dallas, Roy had a great game. All the games we lost; Roy was basically a "non-factor" in the game.

I was thinking the same thing. It may be irrelevant, but we would have been swept in the first round with no Roy. Relieving his contract doesnt put us under the cap with any hope of being a free agent player. The Paul Allen advantage is allowing us to overpay/absorb toxic contracts; not much more. I'm as realistic as anyone about his condition, but I think it's a good risk seeing how he plays out at least one more season. Same with overpaying to retain Oden.

 

[magnifier661]

so you are a "hater" if you point out that Roy is a "non-factor" or worse more times then not?

STOMP

Actually no. But many seem to label people a "hater" if they are quick to point out problems with certain players. So that is why I explained I knew he wasn't. But FYI, we only won when he was a factor and lost miserably when he wasn't. That's a fact.

 

[magnifier661]

I was thinking the same thing. It may be irrelevant, but we would have been swept in the first round with no Roy. Relieving his contract doesnt put us under the cap with any hope of being a free agent player. The Paul Allen advantage is allowing us to overpay/absorb toxic contracts; not much more. I'm as realistic as anyone about his condition, but I think it's a good risk seeing how he plays out at least one more season. Same with overpaying to retain Oden.

100% agree with this. What I think we've learned (Zach) is let's be patient and not cash in just yet. Who knows how Roy will adapt to his new condition. If he will never contribute, then make that decision. It would really suck if we released him, have no benefit in cap, only to see him doing great on another team.

 

[oldmangrouch]

so you are a "hater" if you point out that Roy is a "non-factor" or worse more times then not?

STOMP

No, no.....that rule only applies to Oden.

 

[STOMP]

That's not bad from a bench player, though. The real blame lies on the PG, IMO, who dominated the ball at times, and put up a terrible WS compared to his usage rate.

Roy put up a 16.5 PER off of the bench, which is perfectly acceptable for a role player.

So ... I think you're a hater.

well, I'm sure you're already aware that I don't really give the smallest shit what you think about anything, yet you keep responding to my posts...

STOMP

 

[STOMP]

Actually no. But many seem to label people a "hater" if they are quick to point out problems with certain players. So that is why I explained I knew he wasn't. But FYI, we only won when he was a factor and lost miserably when he wasn't. That's a fact.

true, though it could easily be argued that since his D is now always horrible while his offense is only sometimes a bonus, that only when his shot is on is he not a drag on the team's chances of winning. If you include his defense, he was definitely a factor in the losses too

STOMP

 

[magnifier661]

true, though it could easily be argued that since his D is now always horrible while his offense is only sometimes a bonus, that only when his shot is on is he not a drag on the team's chances of winning. If you include his defense, he was definitely a factor in the losses too

STOMP

Well as long as you factor in that without Roy, we would have been swept than i guess we can agree.

 

[MARIS61]

PA will have to eat much of Roy's salary to rid us of him, and needs to do so.

 

[STOMP]

Well as long as you factor in that without Roy, we would have been swept than i guess we can agree.

guess we aren't going to agree then. Oh well. In the losses he averaged 4 points on 33% shooting. In those 4 losses he worked his way to the line a grand total of 5 times (making 1). He also messed around and averaged 2 assists and 2 boards in his 22+ MPG... I doubt anyone would have done worse.

Again thats on top being the club's worst defender every game. I tend to think that factored. But then you seem to root for a player while I root for the team.

STOMP

 

[magnifier661]

guess we aren't going to agree then. Oh well. In the losses he averaged 4 points on 33% shooting. In those 4 losses he worked his way to the line a grand total of 5 times (making 1). He also messed around and averaged 2 assists and 2 boards in his 22+ MPG... I doubt anyone would have done worse.

Again thats on top being the club's worst defender every game. I tend to think that factored. But then you seem to root for a player while I root for the team.

STOMP

I like how you think. Obviously you have no idea what I actually believe. Unlike some, I actually have proven loyalty to the entire team. Obviously you don't, but that's all good. So when Roy's gone, will you work your way to Oden? Maybe Aldridge. I mean who are you going to complain about next? Without Roy, we get swept. Pure and simple. You believe what you want.

MAGS

 

[STOMP]

I like how you think. Obviously you have no idea what I actually believe. Unlike some, I actually have proven loyalty to the entire team. Obviously you don't, but that's all good. So when Roy's gone, will you work your way to Oden? Maybe Aldridge.

I root for whats in the best interest of my fav team winning championship(s), not a single broken player saving face. When (not if) LA is no longer a positive towards achieving this goal, I hope to be able recognize the harsh truth and not hang on to days gone bye-bye. I don't hate BR any more then I hate Kelvin Ramsey or Calvin Natt... just recognizing what is

Without Roy, we get swept. Pure and simple. You believe what you want.

sorry to be the guy throwing the cold pale of water, but thats your opinion not the truth. We don't know what Patty Rudy Nic Gerald and Wesley might have done with the extra opportunities that Brandon shit the bed on, only that BR shit the bed with those opportunities. It must be nice to be so oblivious.

The results for the new reality of Brandon are pretty established. He can't play at a high level on a regular basis. Not much but prayer gives us hope of things changing with his physical state. Dude's knees are shot barring a medical leap. Harsh reality of injury has struck down umpteen quality players before him... it's not like the medical community is just now putting their collective eggheads towards regenerating cartilage or developing something that could suffice in it's place. Reality is that Roy has a condition that won't be improving unless this miracle breakthrough happens... I'm for developing another plan then hoping for a miracle as it probably doesn't happen tomorrow for the same reasons it didn't happen yesterday

STOMP

 

[magnifier661]

I root for whats in the best interest of my fav team winning championship(s), not a single broken player saving face. When (not if) LA is no longer a positive towards achieving this goal, I hope to be able recognize the harsh truth and not hang on to days gone bye-bye. I don't hate BR any more then I hate Kelvin Ramsey or Calvin Natt... just recognizing what is

sorry to be the guy throwing the cold pale of water, but thats your opinion not the truth. We don't know what Patty Rudy Nic Gerald and Wesley might have done with the extra opportunities that Brandon shit the bed on, only that BR shit the bed with those opportunities. It must be nice to be so oblivious.

The results for the new reality of Brandon are pretty established. He can't play at a high level on a regular basis. Not much but prayer gives us hope of things changing with his physical state. Dude's knees are shot barring a medical leap. Harsh reality of injury has struck down umpteen quality players before him... it's not like the medical community is just now putting their collective eggheads towards regenerating cartilage or developing something that could suffice in it's place. Reality is that Roy has a condition that won't be improving unless this miracle breakthrough happens... I'm for developing another plan then hoping for a miracle as it probably doesn't happen tomorrow for the same reasons it didn't happen yesterday

STOMP

Everything about this post is purely your opinion. Cause those two games BRoy played well, the rest of the team wasn't. Those two wins were because Roy had a stellar game. You can spin it all you want. But you said you want your team to win. They did and it was because of Roy, pure and simple. So give me all your "PER" and statistical gargabe. Portland would have been swept by Dallas without Roy having those great games. I think we're done here. You won't give two shits if Roy scored 500 points and won. You still will toss your hate. For me, I'm glad this team has Roy and his heart. I'm glad the entire team supports Roy and Roy. I will be even more glad when Roy actually proves you wrong once again.

I seem to remember you making a call out that Roy will never have a game like he did in game 4. You were wrong then, and you are wrong now. NEXT...

MAGS

 

[Masbee]

I'd like to first state that BRoy ranks among my top five Blazers of all-time. But with his knee problems, would you trade him, simply to berid the team of his crippling contract?


Right now, I would trade BRoy for a team's number one pick and take back expiring contracts (provided they expired at the end of the 2011-2012 season) simply to make cap room for pursuing one of the 2012 free-agents.

I'd use the number one pick on the best available big (PF or Center) for insurance in case Oden never does pan out.

In 2012, I'd go hard for CP3 with the BRoy cap space we'd be freeing up.


What team(s) might gamble on BRoy? Would NJ give up their number one pick to unload other bad contracts? Doubtful. Would a team like Cleveland be interested in doing the same? Maybe! Antawn Jaimison + Pick for Roy?

We can't trade Roy in a deal that will make any kind of sense for the Blazers. We will have to "pay" through the nose for another team to eat his contract. Not worth it imo.

Additionally, the idea of attempting to dump Roy, so we can have his salary slot as cap space is misguided. The team won't have cap if only Roy is off the books. Several other useful players will also have to be dumped or allowed to walk for nothing. The process of attempting to create cap space would gut the roster of what little depth it has and send the team straight to the lottery.

The only smart move for the Blazers for the next year or two in regards to Roy - Amnesty. An amnesty provision is likely in the next CBA. Depending on the details, this is probably the only and best way for the Blazers to help themselves with roster salary flexibility.