Would you trade Lillard?

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WillG said:
I think the team would be better off.
Despite what rose colored glassed fans will say, Lillard is not a SuperStar (though his branding would like to have you think so). He is a fringe All-Star (and that's a very good player still).
Ultimately, he gives up too much on the defensive side of the ball.

Lillard = 45/50 for offense, only 10/50 for defense = 55/100 rating.
We look much better with CJ at point - a bigger guard who has more defensive potential but has much less experience and therefore room to grow into the role.

If the Blazers are serious about winning, they wont care about backlash from trading him and will let the win column translate into fan approval of it's own accord.
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And if we don't win much more or do much better than last year?
 
Orion Bailey said:
Maybe I am wrong, but we gave him that contract after his first issue with his knees?

Also, couldn't he have come back to us and say I think I can play again, come back and help?
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Brandon had multiple issues before his big contract. It was known by management "his wheels were coming off" before his big contract. I heard that exact phrase from insiders, before his big contract. He certainly had to know it if the team trainers did. His contract was a reward for his contributions to the team and to the franchise, plus I think they expected to get at least a couple more years out of him than they did. He also used the media to coerce the team into capitulating. I can't blame him for cashing in, I suppose, especially knowing his career was probably going to be a short one. It's all water under the knee now.
 
Dame's a keeper.

I feel pretty strongly we couldn't get any player back that would mean as much to the team, to the franchise, and to the city.

So...yeah...no.

Nothing wrong with asking the question though.

:cheers:
 
Orion Bailey said:
And if we don't win much more or do much better than last year?
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Well we're doing that right now, so. . .
Dame/ CJ/ Stotts - somethings got to change, else it's definition of insanity time.
 
Another point to consider is longevity.

Dame has an explosive first step and his game is predicated on athleticism.
At 27 it's only a handful of years till his early 30's where that speed may start to diminish.

CJs game is based on skill moves.
I could see Cj having a Jamal Crawford type timeline - where his skills facilitate a lengthy career.
 
WillG said:
Well we're doing that right now, so. . .
Dame/ CJ/ Stotts - somethings got to change, else it's definition of insanity time.
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Hmmm and it has to be one of the three? It cant be a combination of...

Leonard/Crabbe/Turner/Harkless/Davis/Vonleh/Layman/Aminu/Napier/Expiring Ezeli/Draft Picks?

to net us the RIGHT players to surround Dame/CJ/Stotts?

Maybe NO, TS ANd PA all knew going into this season it would be a struggle because they plugged holes the first year, signed their assets the second year and for year three then trade those assets for position players that will fit better? Trades are easier to get that guy than FA. We had to sign who we could, but we can now seek out the right guys and trade for them.
Sounds simple and its not, but there is a long term plan here.
If anyone really thought that NO and Stott's had the roster to win and didn't know they would need to make changes/improvements, then you don't know much about basketball.
Owners spend millions on these guys. They aren't gonna put chump, short term thinkers in control of their millions of dollars.
However, since the NBA is static and ever changing, you cant say last year what the next step is for this coming year without going through this year.
Follow me?

We all want answers. Those answers are unknown to even them until time elapse and weakness are dissected and the right player in the league is found and scouted and then gone after.

NO had more than one plan for the LMA FA Glam ride, and I guarantee you he entered this season with more than one option depending on how things go.

Patience my friends... patience....changes will come, however major or minor. We are on a good position to go several ways and that's a GM's job in an ever evolving world.
 
WillG said:
Another point to consider is longevity.

Dame has an explosive first step and his game is predicated on athleticism.
At 27 it's only a handful of years till his early 30's where that speed may start to diminish.

CJs game is based on skill moves.
I could see Cj having a Jamal Crawford type timeline - where his skills facilitate a lengthy career.
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There is some truth to this.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Hmmm and it has to be one of the three? It cant be a combination of...

Leonard/Crabbe/Turner/Harkless/Davis/Vonleh/Layman/Aminu/Napier/Expiring Ezeli/Draft Picks?

to net us the RIGHT players to surround Dame/CJ/Stotts?
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Owners spend millions on these guys. They aren't gonna put chump, short term thinkers in control of their millions of dollars.
However, since the NBA is static and ever changing, you cant say last year what the next step is for this coming year without going through this year.
Patience my friends... patience....changes will come, however major or minor. We are on a good position to go several ways and that's a GM's job in an ever evolving world.
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Absolutely the shite play of the support cast is a major difference this year. But in the NBA talent level of your starters is so important (comparatively to other team sports).
You can't have 40-60% of your starter minutes playing sub NBA average defense and expect to compete at the top tier.
Simple as that.

Till that changes we'll see similar results. Plugging role players in and out wont change that.
Ergo we need to make a change to our most prominent players/coach as at the moment (even last season with everything going right) as currently constructed this team is not going anywhere.
 
WillG said:
Absolutely the shite play of the support cast is a major difference this year. But in the NBA talent level of your starters is so important (comparatively to other team sports).
You can't have 40-60% of your starter minutes playing sub NBA average defense and expect to compete at the top tier.
Simple as that.

Till that changes we'll see similar results. Plugging role players in and out wont change that.
Ergo we need to make a change to our most prominent players/coach as at the moment (even last season with everything going right) as currently constructed this team is not going anywhere.
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Do you then think that With the right coach Dame and CJ could win together?
If not, then Stotts isn't the issue, correct?
 
WillG said:
I think the team would be better off.
Despite what rose colored glassed fans will say, Lillard is not a SuperStar (though his branding would like to have you think so). He is a fringe All-Star (and that's a very good player still).
Ultimately, he gives up too much on the defensive side of the ball.

Lillard = 45/50 for offense, only 10/50 for defense = 55/100 rating.
We look much better with CJ at point - a bigger guard who has more defensive potential but has much less experience and therefore room to grow into the role.

If the Blazers are serious about winning, they wont care about backlash from trading him and will let the win column translate into fan approval of it's own accord.
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With this logic, time for the warriors to trade curry then
 
Orion Bailey said:
Do you then think that With the right coach Dame and CJ could win together?
If not, then Stotts isn't the issue, correct?
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Possibly.
Dame would be a force under a coach like Pop.
He would reign Dame in, cutting out the undiscipled shots, would run him off the ball more for set shots and would demand better performance on defense.

Dame and Cj together? I don't know if any team can survive that defensive deficit.
 
Cippy91 said:
With this logic, time for the warriors to trade curry then
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Wrong. Currys shooting is historically elite good - which majorly offsets his defensive deficiencies- much more so than Lillards.
Also, Curry is a much better defender than Dame.
 
I'd probably have to consider a trade for Kawhi Leonard ...I keep forgetting about him but I think he's the best 2 way player in the game
 
of course i'd trade him for the right price. Durant/Curry/Davis/Lebron 1 for 1 otherwise it would be Simmons+unprotected pick or imbiid, Towns+wiggins, something like that is what it would take for me to give up on Lillard.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Maybe I am wrong, but we gave him that contract after his first issue with his knees?

Also, couldn't he have come back to us and say I think I can play again, come back and help?
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On the first point, it would be shame on the Blazers.

On the second point, he was amnestied. He couldn't come back (nor is it reasonable to expect it).
 
yuyuza1 said:
Sanity among the madness.

This losing streak is eye opening.

So many people ready to jump at the moment of adversity
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Or some people who thought last season was a bit of a fluke and haven't totally bought into the idea that this team is even close to contention. With that said, I thought we'd be on pace to beat last season's record by roughly 5 games, but still not good enough to get past the 1st round without some serious help.
 
yuyuza1 said:
We aren't a regular NBA city. If someone wants to love this city and sta here for his career, you stay on his good side
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Totally agree with you here. This - rather than basketball ability - is what makes Dame untouchable, in the parlance of BGD.
 
Cippy91 said:
And because of the stupid ass fans we got, this is what happens...
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Straw man. I don't think anyone is saying Dame is the problem. If they are, then yeah, they're an idiot (Tunchi, I'm looking at you ;) ). But as a thought exercise, it's an interesting discussion regarding Dame/CJ. At some point one of them can't be in the starting line up. I don't think the change needs to happen immediately, but it will happen at some point. If CJ won't by our super-sub, then one of them will need to be traded, and unfortunately that probably means CJ will be traded. Hopefully it works out for the best.
 
Minstrel said:
There could be a profitable deal involving Lillard for multiple good players, but it is a truism that the team getting the best player tends to win the deal...
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I would love to hear about a trade that flies in the face of this. I can't come up with one, but I hope one of you NBA history majors can. However, sometimes the team getting the star doesn't win - NYK/Melo, NJN/Williams come to mind. So, the question is then did DEN/UTH come out ahead? With UTH, I think the answer is yes.
 
riverman said:
Lebron can score 20.....Love can.....Irving can..JR Smith can...Channing Frye can....I should have said double figures but my point is....you need more than 2 guys who can light it up to contend.
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I guess I took you to mean 20 ppg when you said "a night." You meant on any given night... that would make more sense since Frye and Smith don't score 20 ppg but CAN score 20 in A game. Then, yes, I suppose we do need more natural scorers.
 
Nobody was talking trades last season, you know why? Things were going well. This team is the same. Guys got paid, they don't wanna play with effort. Right now I would just be focusing on trading other than cj or dame for a nice defensive piece. These proposals for trading cj I kind of get but when you put dame in the conversation, it's absolutely crazy. Once again nobody on this damn forum was saying shit when we were winning last season but the moment we are bad, you start looking to trade our franchise player. It's insane
 
HolyBackboard said:
Dame is another tier above Brandon. Also, we only got one true elite year out of Roy and he was not able to get us out of the first round. Both extremely clutch, but Dame delivered on the biggest stage more so than Brandon.
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Yes and no. I do like Dame more, he's a better leader, better teammate, has a better head on his shoulders, etc. But Roy was a legit Top 3 SG in his prime, possibly Top 2 (didn't his prime coincide with a period of time where Wade was struggling?). I know some people in here think Dame is a Top 5 PG, but even if that were true there are so many good PGs and there isn't a lot of separation between them. Dominant wings are generally a better bet than dominant PGs.

I came to loathe Roy, but if he had stayed healthy and we brought in a decent coach, I think Roy's talent would win out over Lillard's. And I hate saying that.
 
I liked Roy for his being a PG in a SG/SF body. You could pair him with any midget scorer SG in the back court. His defense was really good, too.

I like Dame for so many reasons. He's healthy. He is a big time big shot taker/maker. He's getting to the FT line like a superstar (which he is one), he loves the city and the fans, he's a fearless 3pt shooter, he's a team player, he's a leader, he's a great diplomat for the team and the game.

Pure class.
 
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