Would you trade Lillard?

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I know you're joking but it reminds me how many people freaked out over this:



I still think that Oden would have been the right pick had he not had any knee problems. His talent was immense, he had the potential to be a Duncan-like defensive anchor as well as a fulcrum on offense. If both Oden and Roy had remained fully healthy, Portland would have emerged as a homegrown superteam.
 
I still think that Oden would have been the right pick had he not had any knee problems. His talent was immense, he had the potential to be a Duncan-like defensive anchor as well as a fulcrum on offense. If both Oden and Roy had remained fully healthy, Portland would have emerged as a homegrown superteam.
I have never been so excited for a season as that year we got him...that roster healthy would have contended...when he and Roy went down I was crushed
 
Did Lloyd Neal ever play for another team? Bobby Gross? I don't recall that they did.
 
I still think that Oden would have been the right pick had he not had any knee problems. His talent was immense, he had the potential to be a Duncan-like defensive anchor as well as a fulcrum on offense. If both Oden and Roy had remained fully healthy, Portland would have emerged as a homegrown superteam.
His offense looked like Mutombo. Very awkward.
 
His offense looked like Mutombo. Very awkward.

He was a lot more explosive going to the hoop than Mutombo and had a better touch around the hoop. He also had a better spin move than Mutombo and could pass.

He wouldn't have been dribbling the ball with much dexterity, but the ability he showed at Ohio State reminded me more of Dwight Howard on offense. He wouldn't have been Shaq or Duncan on offense, but I think he would have made a good offensive complement to Roy.
 
Have you not been watching? Have you not noticed?

The bigs have been hedging or trapping the pick n roll a ton these past 2 games and it worked.

This defense is better for Lillard when he returns. Why? Because Lillard struggles to get through screens quickly. How is this a factor in different pick n roll schemes?

Well, when sagging the big man and "icing" the pick n roll, it's required that the on-ball defender stay attached to the ball handlers hip throughout the screen, or else the ball-handler will get too much space and be able to manipulate the big at will. This pick n roll coverage does not work because
1.) Lillard struggles to get through screens, and isn't able to stay attached, thus giving the ball-handler too much space.
2.) Our bigs aren't big or athletic enough to both contest mid-range jumpers and stop the ball-handler from getting to the rim.

HOWEVER, a hedge is designed as a road-block for the ball-handler, stopping his progress, and giving the on-ball defender time to get back to his man. Once the on-ball defender is almost in front, the hedger returns to his man by running between the ball-handler and the roll man, taking away the passing lane.

This defense would help Lillard out a lot, and suddenly Lillards biggest defensive weakness is no longer a factor. Plus, our bigs are better equipped to hedge then to sag, and we've seen this the past 2 games.

This is stuff I've been saying for 2 years and the continuing scheme of icing the pick n roll has been my number one problem with Stotts as a coach. Switch it up, and we do better. Last year, we got back in that OKC game where Lillard went off by getting stops because we were hedging the pick n roll. We won a game in the second half earlier this year because Stotts made an adjustment. Now, we held the Raptors to 95 points and Kings to 89 points with that scheme. Lillard not playing is a small factor in the defensive success we've had the past two games. The main factor is how we're playing the pick n roll.
Nice analysis Bones
 
Bump.

I can see Philly or Orlando being interested. I absolutely would do a Ben Simmons for Lillard swap - but I don't think Philly would. But what if they offered Noel and an unprotected pick?
What if Orlando offered E. Payton and an unprotected pick?

Who else has a pick that's very likely to be top 3? Boston, I guess (Brooklyn's) but they don't need Lillard. The sad fact is that our best player isn't that interesting to quite a lot of teams given the profusion of good PGs.
 
We would need to get a very high caliber player in return - but I don't think other teams would offer them up.

If we are currently shedding salary and tanking for better draft picks - then I think we should do it all the way, in what is considered a strong draft.
We should cut ties with Lillard and Stotts - we are never going anywhere playing this style of Basketball.
 
Yeah, he's clearly a flash in the pan.
Not saying that, just saying that a star who's going to average 25+ ppg for his 2nd straight year isn't worth trading for a guy who's only played at a high level for a couple months
 
Sure i'd trade him. I don't think your deals are even close to his value though Rasta.
I take that back Ben Simmons for Lillard is a close deal but i'd still not take that as Simmons hasn't played a single game in the NBA and already has a major injury.
 
Bump.

I can see Philly or Orlando being interested. I absolutely would do a Ben Simmons for Lillard swap - but I don't think Philly would. But what if they offered Noel and an unprotected pick?
What if Orlando offered E. Payton and an unprotected pick?

Who else has a pick that's very likely to be top 3? Boston, I guess (Brooklyn's) but they don't need Lillard. The sad fact is that our best player isn't that interesting to quite a lot of teams given the profusion of good PGs.
First of all, lilard is going no where so once again I laugh in the face of dame haters, secondly BEN SIMMONS!??! PAYTON!?!?!

Seriously
Are you out of your mind?!!? you value dame that low? some of the people on this forum have gone to a new low
 
Sure i'd trade him. I don't think your deals are even close to his value though Rasta.
I take that back Ben Simmons for Lillard is a close deal but i'd still not take that as Simmons hasn't played a single game in the NBA and already has a major injury.
IT IS NO WHERE NEAR A CLOSE DEAL BEN SIMMONS HASNT PLAYED IN AN NBA GAME YET

WHAT.THE.FUCK
 
We would need to get a very high caliber player in return - but I don't think other teams would offer them up.

If we are currently shedding salary and tanking for better draft picks - then I think we should do it all the way, in what is considered a strong draft.
We should cut ties with Lillard and Stotts - we are never going anywhere playing this style of Basketball.
lol
 
So you wouldn't trade either for anyone in the league?
No. I think this is some stupid narrative that is going around that we have to trade one or the other and we really don't. They are surrounded by guys who aren't that great and obviously Neil and the organization sees the obvious issue here. Only CJ and Dame are untouchable according to insiders. You surround Dame and CJ with defensive players, a decent 3rd option and watch how this team does. I know defensively dame and cj are an issue but their offense more than makes up for it. Put TALENT around these two and you are good, that's what they will do hopefully next season, watch how much better the team is
 
IT IS NO WHERE NEAR A CLOSE DEAL BEN SIMMONS HASNT PLAYED IN AN NBA GAME YET

WHAT.THE.FUCK
Capslock ftw! Simmons was a very hyped #1. We are talking KAT hype and from what he showed in college, amazing ball handling and court vision that you just don't find in SF not named Lebron, the only real thing Simmons didn't do was shoot but every other facet of his game speaks volume of the player he will become in the NBA. Simmons has the potential to be top 5 in the NBA at some point in his career, Lillard does not.
 
So you wouldn't trade either for anyone in the league?
Kawhi Leonard or Anthony davis would be the only I would consider and I would keep Dame at PG but that's not gonna happen. The fans just wanna turn on any good player that stays on this team. Even if we had Kawhi, people would shit on him in some form
 
Capslock ftw! Simmons was a very hyped #1. We are talking KAT hype and from what he showed in college, amazing ball handling and court vision that you just don't find in SF not named Lebron, the only real thing Simmons didn't do was shoot but every other facet of his game speaks volume of the player he will become in the NBA. Simmons has the potential to be top 5 in the NBA at some point in his career, Lillard does not.
Ben simmons will never be a top 5 player, quote me on that. Lillard is a top 10 player.
 
Ben simmons will never be a top 5 player, quote me on that. Lillard is a top 10 player.
I don't think Lillard is a top 10 player and why do you not like Simmons?
 
I don't think Lillard is a top 10 player and why do you not like Simmons?
I like simmons game, I just don't think he will amount to that type of player. He could be a top 10 player. I just think him not being able to shoot will really affect his career long term
 
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