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HCP said:
Back to my post........ How many GM's would want LA as their starting center compared to Love. I don't care what their teams strengths are or if they have no low post games or not.... straight up, who would you want starting for your team. I truly believe EVERY GM would pick Aldridge!
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They're not really centers, so I'm not sure that's relevant.

As to which player teams would want: given their ages and contract statuses, I bet that many would prefer Love.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
They're not really centers, so I'm not sure that's relevant.

As to which player teams would want: given their ages and contract statuses, I bet that many would prefer Love.

Ed O.
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I didn't mean them being centers, I'm just saying straight up, $$$$$ no factor, team needs no factor, which player is better? Who would you want to put out there against Tim Duncan, STAT, battle against Dirk? How can you say Love is a better player?
 
Ed, you are letting your new promotion get to your head! You have lost what common sense you used to have!
 
HCP said:
I didn't mean them being centers, I'm just saying straight up, $$$$$ no factor, team needs no factor, which player is better? Who would you want to put out there against Tim Duncan, STAT, battle against Dirk? How can you say Love is a better player?
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I don't care about a game tomorrow on its own. I care about net present value of players, which is today and the future (discounted for uncertainty).

In terms of today, alone? I think there's very little difference between them. I think what Love does he does better, including passing and rebounding than the things Aldridge does better (run the floor, block a few more shots). The Blazers are one of the few teams with very good rebounding at the 5 spot, so Love might have less value to them than other teams... but offensive rebounding is very valuable out of a power forward, and Love does that.

He's over THREE YEARS younger than Aldridge and is already (again, IMO) the same level of player. In three years Love will probably be significantly better than Aldridge is today.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
I don't care about a game tomorrow on its own. I care about net present value of players, which is today and the future (discounted for uncertainty).

In terms of today, alone? I think there's very little difference between them. I think what Love does he does better, including passing and rebounding than the things Aldridge does better (run the floor, block a few more shots). The Blazers are one of the few teams with very good rebounding at the 5 spot, so Love might have less value to them than other teams... but offensive rebounding is very valuable out of a power forward, and Love does that.

He's over THREE YEARS younger than Aldridge and is already (again, IMO) the same level of player. In three years Love will probably be significantly better than Aldridge is today.

Ed O.
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Man! Obviously basketball knowledge is not a prerequisite to move up in the corporate world of S2! Congrats on your promotion and cute blue font on your name...... As the great ZachAddy once said, "Learn the game then post!" HAHA!
 
Aldridge might have a slightly better outside game.

Love has a clearly superior inside game.

Love also has clearly superior rebounding skills.

Love has slightly better passing skills.

Aldridge is better on defense. (I don't say clearly because I think it is insane to say Aldridge is an 'excellent' defender or that he 'can guard anyone'. That is ridiculous. I think it could be a stretch to say he is an average defender.)

Anyways, I take Love.
 
Mediocre Man said:
LA is a lot longer than Love, but Love actually did better in agility and athletic tests at predraft camps. So LA = longer, Love = more athletic.
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you throw these two things out like they're offsetting when they're not even close. Love did a little better overall in the athletic test but LA is a significantly longer. The result of this is that LA has the decided advantage in vertical reach at all times which allows him to contest more shots. Having a decided length advantage allows a player to contest more passes/shots the 95% of the time that they're not jumping too... this is a particularly important attribute for Bigs trying to contest driving guards or get off their own look

to the OP... this has got to be at least the 3rd thread devoted to this hypothetical in the last 6 months. While you might still resent "LaWussy" for being selected ahead of your special towel-waver and of course we're hurting for topics right about now, but :deadhorse: no one is changing their mind

STOMP
 
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Ed O said:
Aldridge runs much better and he SHOULD be a superior shotblocker, but that's all I can see that he is preferable to Love in regards to.
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there is a lot more to D then just shotblocking. I've watched enough Wolves games to form an opinion that Love is below average at most of them. Guys shoot right over him without concern. He makes a token effort at contesting his man's shot, but like Zach and David Lee he's resigned to just hoping for a miss and a board. Guards drive the paint on him knowing they'll get to the hoop or line. Definitely not the kind of Big I want to allot starter money to

STOMP
 
Love > Lamarcus. I think Lamarcus has the potential to be on the same level as Amare or Bosh...I just don't think he has the heart and desire to do so. Also, we really don't know what to expect from LMA every night....with KLove you know you're going to get a double double.
 
I really don't view Love as having a terribly high ceiling and there will always be limitations to his game because of the way he is built.
 
Ed O said:
I would probably give up Aldridge for Love. They're roughly equal players right now, but Love is three years younger. He also is much, much cheaper.

Aldridge runs much better and he SHOULD be a superior shotblocker, but that's all I can see that he is preferable to Love in regards to.

Love is a far superior passer, a much better rebounder and, IMO, a superior jumpshooter.

I'm not at all displeased that Aldridge is a Blazer, but I'd prefer to swap Love in for him right now.

Ed O.
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I'm glad you added it was just your opinion because the stats don't say so.

You also left out that Aldridge is better at creating his own shot.
 
STOMP said:
you throw these two things out like they're offsetting when they're not even close. Love did a little better overall in the athletic test but LA is a significantly longer. The result of this is that LA has the decided advantage in vertical reach at all times which allows him to contest more shots. Having a decided length advantage allows a player to contest more passes/shots the 95% of the time that they're not jumping too... this is a particularly important attribute for Bigs trying to contest driving guards or get off their own look

to the OP... this has got to be at least the 3rd thread devoted to this hypothetical in the last 6 months. While you might still resent "LaWussy" for being selected ahead of your special towel-waver and of course we're hurting for topics right about now, but :deadhorse: no one is changing their mind

STOMP
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Ahhh we still can't get over the Morrison thing I see.

Resentment no. I've given LMA plenty of time, I liked his potential during first couple years, but he is what he is now. After seeing how Amare bullied him in the playoffs, I've come to the conclusion that maybe he isn't untradeable like I used to think. Not everything's black and white, love or hate STOMPY boy. I was over the Morrison thing a long time ago, I think I even made a post saying that I made a mistake and that Roy and Aldridge were the better pick. I see you still haven't gotten over it though. Who was the prospect you touted that turned out to be a flop?

P.S. If all else fails in a conversation/debate with MickZagger bring up Adam Morrison, its a real zinger.
 
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Kevin Love avg 13/10 on 43% shooting post all-star break. A sweet 27.8% from 3 while averaging 2 attempts per game.

Gross.
 
RoyToy said:
Kevin Love avg 13/10 on 43% shooting post all-star break. A sweet 27.8% from 3 while averaging 2 attempts per game.

Gross.
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Coming off a broken hand? The guy was shooting with a glove for most the season.
 
HailBlazers said:
Love? An All-Star? Your Trippin

If LMA can ever step it up in the Rebound Department, Love doesn't come close to being as well rounded

I'd say your in Love :wink:
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Do you not see the ridiculously bad logic in your post?

You say Kevin Love is nowhere near as well rounded as Aldridge, so he won't be an all star. But Aldridge can be if he rebounds better. Well then...couldn't Love be an all-star if he improved in whatever it is you think he falls short? Yes. (I'm still not sure what that is. Actually, I doubt you do either.)

Don't let facts get in the way of making a post with a 'funny' quote at the end. (even if you don't know your from you're.)

Per 36 minutes -

Advantage Kevin Love: scoring, offensive and defensive rebounding, assists, steals, fta, ft%

Advantage Lamarcus Aldridge: blocks, fg%, turnovers

They're actually fairly close in everything but rebounding, where Love is MUCH better and fg% where Aldridge is quite a bit better. Then again, Love is 3 years younger than Aldridge.
 
Cake said:
Do you not see the ridiculously bad logic in your post?

You say Kevin Love is nowhere near as well rounded as Aldridge, so he won't be an all star. But Aldridge can be if he rebounds better. Well then...couldn't Love be an all-star if he improved in whatever it is you think he falls short? Yes. (I'm still not sure what that is. Actually, I doubt you do either.)

Don't let facts get in the way of making a post with a 'funny' quote at the end. (even if you don't know your from you're.)

Per 36 minutes -

Advantage Kevin Love: scoring, offensive and defensive rebounding, assists, steals, fta, ft%

Advantage Lamarcus Aldridge: blocks, fg%, turnovers

They're actually fairly close in everything but rebounding, where Love is MUCH better and fg% where Aldridge is quite a bit better. Then again, Love is 3 years younger than Aldridge.
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Per 36 minutes my ass, you either average the numbers or you don't.
 
Luther said:
Love > Lamarcus. I think Lamarcus has the potential to be on the same level as Amare or Bosh...I just don't think he has the heart and desire to do so. Also, we really don't know what to expect from LMA every night....with KLove you know you're going to get a double double.
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LA COULD be as good as Bosh or STAT...... Love has NO chance!
 
Another thing, I bet if you asked STAT, Dirk or Bosh who they would rather face, I bet they'd say Love! LA is way more of a challenge to them on both ends!
 
MickZagger said:
Ahhh we still can't get over the Morrison thing I see.

Resentment no. I've given LMA plenty of time, I liked his potential during first couple years, but he is what he is now. After seeing how Amare bullied him in the playoffs, I've come to the conclusion that maybe he isn't untradeable like I used to think. Not everything's black and white, love or hate STOMPY boy. I was over the Morrison thing a long time ago, I think I even made a post saying that I made a mistake and that Roy and Aldridge were the better pick. I see you still haven't gotten over it though. Who was the prospect you touted that turned out to be a flop?

P.S. If all else fails in a conversation/debate with MickZagger bring up Adam Morrison, its a real zinger.
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STOMPY boy? Good grief still with the same name calling from 5 years ago... are you going to compare me to your sister again next? My point was this subject has already been beaten to death. We've all weighed in several times now... it's funny that you would complain about redundancy when thats exactly what you're doing

to answer your bolded question, there hasn't been anyone I've touted that turned out to be a flop from a talent standpoint. I guess one could argue Greg, but thats been on injuries.

STOMP
 
HCP said:
Per 36 minutes my ass, you either average the numbers or you don't.
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That's fucking ridiculous and you know it. The only time that argument holds water is if one player gets 5 minutes of garbage time and the other is starting and getting 40 minutes...but that's not the case here. (PS - I've already made a better point than you did.)

By the way, Love averaged 11 rebounds PER GAME and Aldridge, 8. That's bad.
 
By The Way, Minnesota won 15 games last year. That's bad. Player Stat comparisons hold no water when comparing apples (15 win teams) to oranges (50 win teams). The competition is vastly different. No teams get pumped up to go into Minne Sota! The Rose Garden OTOH, is as competitive as it gets
 
So players like Devin Harris, Brook Lopez and Andre Iguodala all suck?
 
Mediocre Man said:
So players like Devin Harris, Brook Lopez and Andre Iguodala all suck?
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Lopez was the first guy I thought of here, too. Clearly the people who laud him as a future multiple-time all-star are way off. He's really no better than Kendrick Perkins--their WS/48 are almost identical!
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Lopez was the first guy I thought of here, too. Clearly the people who laud him as a future multiple-time all-star are way off. He's really no better than Kendrick Perkins--their WS/48 are almost identical!
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Tyreke Evans is another guy people must be really overrating. There was another guy a couple of years ago that played on a shitty team, but still put up good numbers. His name was Brandon something.....I think he is related to Patrick Roy, but I'm not sure. Maybe The Rockets were stupid to hand on to a young Moses Malone because they only won 20 something games when he was young also?
 
Cake said:
By the way, Love averaged 11 rebounds PER GAME and Aldridge, 8. That's bad.
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Once again this takes me back to the early 1990's when fans on the radio were obsessed with Duckworth's "low" rebounding numbers. Even though the Blazers lead the league in every rebounding category. My point is there are lot of factors to consider. How many of Love rebounds are his own missed shots? Or his teammates low shooting percentage? Is Love camped out under the basket, or does he have other responsibilties out on the perimeter.

I don't know the answers to these questions nor do i give a rats ass. I just know I would rather have LMA over Love when Greg Oden is on the floor. Both offensively and defensively
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
Once again this takes me back to the early 1990's when fans on the radio were obsessed with Duckworth's "low" rebounding numbers. Even though the Blazers lead the league in every rebounding category. My point is there are lot of factors to consider. How many of Love rebounds are his own missed shots? Or his teammates low shooting percentage? Is Love camped out under the basket, or does he have other responsibilties out on the perimeter.

I don't know the answers to these questions nor do i give a rats ass. I just know I would rather have LMA over Love when Greg Oden is on the floor. Both offensively and defensively
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So you'd rather have Aldridge on the floor for 27.3 games a year. What about the other 2/3 of the season?
 
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