WTF is going on with Harkless

[ripcityboy]

1) Pat;
2) Bazz

Depending on what Neil thinks of the other backup PGs and Wings. Neither is irreplaceable if their asking price is too high.

Yeah. I was thinking Bazz. We can slot Baldwin in there if he improves his shooting.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Fun Fact: Patty C and Klay Thompson have the exact same ORtg and Drtg this season.

 

[blue9]

Fun Fact: Patty C and Klay Thompson have the exact same ORtg and Drtg this season.

That IS fun!
Klay is a turd.

 

[Reep]

Fun Fact: Patty C and Klay Thompson have the exact same ORtg and Drtg this season.

Wrong! (I just looked). Pat is better. . Pat is 113:110, and Klay is 111:111.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Wrong! (I just looked). Pat is better. . Pat is 113:110, and Klay is 111:111.

It's super weird; in PattyC's Splits page, it's 111/111 for Total 2017-18.

 

[hoopsjock]

TANGENT ALERT

Ooh, here's an interesting mental exercise: Would you rather have Patty C and Jusuf Nurkic, or Rondae Hollis-Jefferson?

Is this an actual question? PC and Nurk and it isn't even close.

 

[dviss1]

I kinda get where Scalma is coming from: a 26th pick will make 1.4 million a year, which is what Patty C is making now, but is a 26th pick a guarantee of quality? There have been 64 #26 picks, and only 49 ever played a minute in the NBA. Of those, only 17 have a WS/48 better than Patty C's. Of those, only 7 are guards. So in 63 years of the draft, seven guards are better than Patty C.

...of course, one of them was Dave Twardzik (the greatest 26th pick ever!) so maybe we're biased in favor of them.

Who's to say we'll even use the pick? Patty knows the system and wouldn't need to integrate.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Who's to say we'll even use the pick? Patty knows the system and wouldn't need to integrate.

Cleveland will want it in return for LeBron.

 

[Scalma]

The rookie will make way more per year for similar production.

If only this were factual.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

If only this was factual.

Fun fact, Pat Connaughton is already the 11th winningest (total Win Shares) 41st pick of all time. He's the 3rd best all-time at 3P%. I guess if you're hoping we draft the next Cuttino Mobley, though, then yeah, he's easily replaceable by a rookie.

 

[kjironman1]

A rookie could replace him.

Not much a chance but you just keep thinking that.

 

[SIeepwalker]

Is this an actual question? PC and Nurk and it isn't even close.

guess we made some decent trades along the line then

 

[kjironman1]

What does this even mean?

It means you are way off base.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Not much a chance but you just keep thinking that.

We'll just draft Cuttino Mobley next. Easy-peasy.

 

[kjironman1]

What’s your definition of good and solid, because a guy averaging 5 points a game with average shooting percentages (considering the shots he takes,) a PER in single digits, and a defensive rating of 110, isn’t mine. Good thing the coaching staff seemingly agrees since his role has gradually been marginalized.

And he won’t be on a rookie scale contract after this season, so you can’t even say cheap. He’s completely replaceable.

The stats just tell the whole story.... Yeah.

 

[kjironman1]

This is a Harkless thread. But somehow turned in to a Pat Con thread.
Pat was a second round gem. He gives his all every second of every minute on the court. Teams dream of picking up guys like Pat Con in the second round. His next contract will likely be around 10-12 Million for three years. You do realize that is a steal right?
Now put that guy in a Spurs uniform in your mind for just a second..... Yeah that's what i thought.

 

[Scalma]

It means you are way off base.

Except I’m not. But don’t let facts get in your way.

 

[Scalma]

The stats just tell the whole story.... Yeah.

No they don’t. The minimized role does though

Any other takes?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I like and admire that @Scalma is not afraid to have an unpopular opinion. I agree that that right late 1st round pick could replicate or replace Pat's role but not likely the first year. Now thinking that Baldwin has a legit chance at a better future in the NBA than Shabazz I just can't wrap my head around.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

No they don’t. The minimized role does though

Any other takes?

What minimized role? (Since the ASG) He plays 13 minutes a night backing up a guard who plays 35, and is a +4 doing it. I'm not seeing the narrative.

 

[Scalma]

What minimized role? (Since the ASG) He plays 13 minutes a night backing up a guard who plays 35, and is a +4 doing it. I'm not seeing the narrative.

Connaughton was seeing 20 minutes a night early in the season. Napier wasn’t even in the rotation until Connaughton started struggling/regressing.

 

[Scalma]

I like and admire that @Scalma is not afraid to have an unpopular opinion. I agree that that right late 1st round pick could replicate or replace Pat's role but not likely the first year. Now thinking that Baldwin has a legit chance at a better future in the NBA than Shabazz I just can't wrap my head around.

My argument has been that if Napier gets a bigger offer elsewhere, I’d be ok with letting him go and rolling with Baldwin as the third PG. Besides shooting, I think Baldwin potentially (operative word) brings more to the table. He’s a better playmaker for others, better at getting to the line, and offers more defensive versatility. But all of that is theoretical, so I’d understand the hesitation.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

My argument has been that if Napier gets a bigger offer elsewhere, I’d be ok with letting him go and rolling with Baldwin as the third PG. Besides shooting, I think Baldwin potentially (operative word) brings more to the table. He’s a better playmaker for others, better at getting to the line, and offers more defensive versatility. But all of that is theoretical, so I’d understand the hesitation.

That may have came off as a back-handed compliment (if so then I am sorry) but I was trying to focus more on that I appreciate your contributions even if I don't agree with them all.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Connaughton was seeing 20 minutes a night early in the season. Napier wasn’t even in the rotation until Connaughton started struggling/regressing.

You mean while Dame was out injured? Seems like there would be more minutes to go around yeah.

 

[Scalma]

You mean while Dame was out injured? Seems like there would be more minutes to go around yeah.

Seems like you haven’t been following the team that closely yeah.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Seems like you haven’t been following the team that closely yeah.

Why is this so important to you that you’ll insult me to earn internet dick measuring points? Like okay fine Pat is playing fewer, more effective minutes. He’s playing better after ASG than right before it. What of it? He’s not being “minimized”; MEYERS is being minimized.

 

[Scalma]

Why is this so important to you that you’ll insult me to earn internet dick measuring points? Like okay fine Pat is playing fewer, more effective minutes. He’s playing better after ASG than right before it. What of it? He’s not being “minimized”; MEYERS is being minimized.

I don’t see how a guy that went from 20+ minutes to now almost half that can be described as anything other than minimized.

Meyers never had a role to begin with. How do you minimize 0?

And I insulted you? Please.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

I don’t see how a guy that went from 20+ minutes to now almost half that can be described as anything other than minimized.

Meyers never had a role to begin with. How do you minimize 0?

And I insulted you? Please.

I’m sorry. It’s obvious you need this win, so have it.

HEY EVERYONE SCALMA IS RIGHT ABOUT PAT CONNAUGHTON!

There you go, sweetie.

 

[BonesJones]

Just curious, Nurkic, Davis, Pat, & Bazz.... We probably can't resign all of them and go so far over the cap. Who is the one man gone in this equation?

Honestly, I don't think any will go. If anyone, it's Pat.

Nurkic - We'll keep him. He'll probably get $14M a year, but it's worth it.
Davis - Wants to be here, not going to get signed for any more than the max MLE, lets say $6M
Shabazz - Not many teams need a PG. The position is stacked. Won't get more than max MLE either. $7M for him too.
Pat - Hasn't shown enough to get a huge contract. I see $4M for him, if we keep him. Might not though. Might draft a guard.

Pat and Shabazz could both be gone if we use our TPE to acquire a guard (Courtney Lee?), but it wouldn't make a difference in payroll.

So that's $27M-$31M.

I propose sending #26, a 2019 1st, and Meyers to Atlanta for their #20 Pick to draft Hutchinson. That saves $9M.

So we add $18M to $22M (depending on if we keep Pat). That puts our payroll at $130M to $134M. That's not too bad.

Lillard / Napier / Baldwin
McCollum / Lillard / Connaughton?
Harkless / Turner / Hutchinson
Aminu / Collins / Swanigan
Nurkic / Davis / Papagiannis

 

[kjironman1]

I can almost guarantee Pat Cannaughton will be a Blazer next year. With any luck at all Bazz will be also.