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yeah, Toronto really has no reason to replace Bosh with Aldridge, even if it does net them another nice piece. If Bosh and Bargs isn't working, why would Bargs and LMA? It would be a very similar front court.
 
RR7 said:
yeah, Toronto really has no reason to replace Bosh with Aldridge, even if it does net them another nice piece. If Bosh and Bargs isn't working, why would Bargs and LMA? It would be a very similar front court.
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It's not really a matter of that. The point for Toronto would be to get something for a guy who is obviously leaving them next summer. While it would be nice if it worked out talent wise, that is secondary to receiving ample value in return just to get something for Bosh.
 
I understand the concept of trying to get something, but I'd take 90 cents on that dollar of LMA if the something was a better fit thanLMA would be. In other words, if they were to shop him, and LMA was the absolute peak of the value offered for him, I'd prefer to take slightly less value for a player that played more a position of need, or fitthe direction of the team better.
 
RR7 said:
I understand the concept of trying to get something, but I'd take 90 cents on that dollar of LMA if the something was a better fit thanLMA would be. In other words, if they were to shop him, and LMA was the absolute peak of the value offered for him, I'd prefer to take slightly less value for a player that played more a position of need, or fitthe direction of the team better.
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I know some folks are frustrated with Aldridge, but almost every season Aldridge has been here he has started slow and finished the season strong. The other argument being, what is a fit for this team at the 4? Is the problem the player, or the coach? I see the team go away from Aldridge for 10+ minutes at a time, and he can't produce without the ball. That isn't his fault. Would it matter if Bosh was here, if the team did the same thing?

The other thing to remember when comparing the two is, Bosh is on what I now consider a running team. Running teams stats are inflated. It is something to consider.
 
I'm not arguing for us. I like Aldridge a lot, and want him on our team. I am saying for Toronto, there is no reason to trade for Aldridge, and if I were Toronto, I would take slightly less value for Bosh than Aldridge if it meant a better fit. I feel Aldridge is a fine fit here. Sorry for the confusion. I think Aldridge would put up much better numbers if he was actually officiated well. Every game, he comes across the lane 4 or 5 times and gets bumped into hard while putting up a shot, and I'd say 1 out of 5 or 6 times, he actually gets the call. Meanwhile, when we cover someone that same way, we are almost always called for the foul. Aldridge should get 6 or 8 FT attempts per game if he was called well. And if those numbers went up, allof a sudden his "soft" label would go away.
 
Yeah Amir goes about 9rbs/30 mins but his fouling is an issue at 30mpg.

The trade makes sense for Toronto if the team isn't taking back a lot of weighty contracts. LMA isn't much of a downgrade from Bosh and I guess the situation would be Toronto trying to get back something of value for Bosh.

I don't really like the trade for Portland though because LMA is 80% of Bosh anyway and perhaps just needs a couple more years to get even closer.
 
The only problem I have with Amir, is he is one of those "Athletic project players". You know, the type that we have got here and there, and we wait 5 years for them to become a below average player. Those types. I am sick of waiting forever for a player to not live up to their billing. Get guys that can ball from the start and you are better off.
 
Well, he wasn't supposed to be much for Toronto anyway but since Reggie got hurt, he's be the most consistent Raptor. All he needs to do is hustle and get rebounds and he does that. The fact we got Sonny Weems in that deal makes it even better.
 
hasoos said:
The only problem I have with Amir, is he is one of those "Athletic project players". You know, the type that we have got here and there, and we wait 5 years for them to become a below average player. Those types. I am sick of waiting forever for a player to not live up to their billing. Get guys that can ball from the start and you are better off.
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That's completely the opposite of what Johnson is. He's a fifth year guy who has posted PERs of 20 twice, 17, 13 and now 15 this year. He's an undersized 4 and he plays a hustle style game with little to no post moves. This isn't a project player we're talking about here, he was a late second round pick which is why he's always been a backup.
 
Nikolokolus said:
That's completely the opposite of what Johnson is. He's a fifth year guy who has posted PERs of 20 twice, 17, 13 and now 15 this year. He's an undersized 4 and he plays a hustle style game with little to no post moves. This isn't a project player we're talking about here, he was a late second round pick who probably should have been taken a lot earlier based on his actual production which is why he's always been a backup.
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Exactly what I said. He took 5 years to become a below average player, because if he was a good player, he would have offensive moves. PERS does not tell the whole story. I have seen the guy play in many games. He plays hard I will give him that. But he also does a lot of things that loses teams games, and he is not physical enough to defend at his position. Then when you are considering the Blazers, you want to add a guy who can't score? We haver enough problems scoring.
 
Absolutely not. Not even straight across. I think Lamarcus will be absolutely perfect playing alongside Greg. Bosh, not quite so much.

Plus, I'm a huge fan of Lamarcus the person.
 
His 2 PERs in the 20s were in seasons where he played 3 and 8 games.
As for him being a project, he was always viewed that way iN Detroit, from everything I read from them and their fans.
 
BlazerWookee said:
Absolutely not. Not even straight across. I think Lamarcus will be absolutely perfect playing alongside Greg. Bosh, not quite so much.

Plus, I'm a huge fan of Lamarcus the person.
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What does Bosh do that makes him not fit alongside Greg?
 
How about you offer Oden and keep Aldridge? It'd be sort of a wild card trade for everyone involved, but I think that'd somewhat to be expected when you're dealing a guy like Bosh. Those are rarely talent for talent trades, and the Raptors will be in a strange position anyway. Might as well swing for the fences if you're them.
 
and people on here laugh when i simply say we need a sf in a trade.

bosh getting traded here for la... pipe dream? no chance in hell? wasted thread? garbage to read.

you choose from bold above...
 
No to Bosh. We have Aldridge that has been improving every year. His physic is getting better with each year as well. Aldridge is a gym rat and is doing an amazing job in the offseason to build up his core strength and power. Also, Aldridge is much younger than Bosh and has proven that he plays well with Roy. No to Bosh, let Miami or New York go after him.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Think rebound rate, not rpg. Johnson is quite good at 17.1%. (by contrast LMA is about 13%)
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To be fair, one would assume that LMA's TRB% would go up if he played on Toronto, and Bosh/Amir would not have anywhere near the TRB% if they played next to Joel and Oden...

You also consider the fact that LMA tends to leak out on defense because there is a very good chance that Joel/Greg (before he went down) would take it.

LMA is not a terrific rebounder, but he is far from the "chump" people make him to be.
 
andalusian said:
To be fair, one would assume that LMA's TRB% would go up if he played on Toronto, and Bosh/Amir would not have anywhere near the TRB% if they played next to Joel and Oden...

You also consider the fact that LMA tends to leak out on defense because there is a very good chance that Joel/Greg (before he went down) would take it.

LMA is not a terrific rebounder, but he is far from the "chump" people make him to be.
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And some may want to look at who Toronto has on their team. Of course Bosh is pimp. He's the #1 option on the team. I remembered Aldridge scoring 30 points in 3 quarters in a game. It's not like he can't score like Bosh, he just plays within the game plan of Nate. When Nate calls his number, he sticks with it.

The only thing I would knock Aldridge for, is him not demanding the ball like Roy does. Showing some leadership qualities on the team. He reminds me of that guy that goes out and punches his timecard and does his thing. I want him to really work on his leadership skills. Maybe he doesn't have it?
 
Bosh is a better offensive player than LMA, if only for his face-up game from the dribble. On the other hand, LMA is a better defensive player than Bosh imho.

Overall, this is a big trade over nothing from Portland's perspective. Sure, we have problems scoring the ball this season with all the injuries, but this is a short term problem, hopefully. I think the better defender and almost as good an offensive player, on a smaller salary is the better way to go for Portland. Not that Bosh is not great, he is - but fit, here, I am not sure he is better.
 
andalusian said:
Bosh is a better offensive player than LMA, if only for his face-up game from the dribble. On the other hand, LMA is a better defensive player than Bosh imho.

Overall, this is a big trade over nothing from Portland's perspective. Sure, we have problems scoring the ball this season with all the injuries, but this is a short term problem, hopefully. I think the better defender and almost as good an offensive player, on a smaller salary is the better way to go for Portland. Not that Bosh is not great, he is - but fit, here, I am not sure he is better.
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I agree. I would rather have a defender type player at PF, to Ying and Yang Aldridge. Also, we still have Outlaw too. I want that enforcer-type player. The one that really pisses other players off with jocking for position. Get a couple "flop fouls" from tossed elbows by the other team. We need that scrappy defender type. After all the injuries are done, we have all the offense we need, IMO. Outlaw and Fernandez alone are scoring machines. Then you factor Oden probably getting more touches next season and you got a log jam with scoring.
 
authentiq said:
Its as if you guys completely forgot the raptors were in this trade too. And no, they wouldn't do it. They'd be getting better offers than that.
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The question isn't "would it happen." The question is "would you do it.":cheers:
 
MIXUM said:
and people on here laugh when i simply say we need a sf in a trade.

bosh getting traded here for la... pipe dream? no chance in hell? wasted thread? garbage to read.

you choose from bold above...
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*edited* The question wasn't "would it happen." The question was "would you do it."
 
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