Notice ZACH COLLINS UNDERGOES SUCCESSFUL SHOULDER SURGERY

[Lanny]

I just don’t see him signing here when we already have Nurk. I guess I could be wrong but I doubt it.

I've heard that Whiteside wants to stay here and if that rumor is true then I say pull out all stops to keep him. He actually might be better than Nurk. Two such monsters, one giving some rest to the other as well as backing up in case of an emergency, would seem to be very wise. Think of it, no letup in an effective center at anytime in the game.
Swanigan? He's worse than useless.
In my opinion we've got the weakest bench in the NBA so keeping some of these guys, Whiteside, Anthony, Ariza, Trent, Hezonja, and maybe even Simmons seems like the obvious way to go.

 

[AldoTrapani]

He makes a big difference for the reasons I stated. As we saw last season, anything can happen when you get into the playoffs. Zach just gives us a far more competitive roster. With the two LA teams this year, I don't think we would beat either one of them if we were completely healthy or not but Zach would make a huge difference. So to answer your question, no he would just make us a competitive playoff team (not WCF) instead of what we are right now which is most likely the 12th to 14th pick in the weakest draft in recent memory.

wow that’s interesting I guess Zach Collins is a future max player or close to it damn

 

[James lamphear]

wow that’s interesting I guess Zach Collins is a future max player or close to it damn

No he not mad player but look at least 10 million a year.

 

[AldoTrapani]

No he not mad player but look at least 10 million a year.

Well according to that poster he’s amazing and the difference between a team going from the conference finals to the lottery.

 

[James lamphear]

Well according to that poster he’s amazing and the difference between a team going from the conference finals to the lottery.

Zach has his strength and weakness like ever player. Will he be a super star properly not but can he be piece to a team that help toward a championship but this team needs a lot more good pieces to get there though. We don't know how the season would have ended if he didn't get hurt. But even if he comes back you can't evaluate him for this season at all.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Yes because we let Aminu go.

And if we had kept Aminu we would have a guy who has played 18 games and shot 29%/25%.

 

[oldmangrouch]

So he’s the difference to go from the western conference finals to a lotto team? Lmao come on now

Of course not.

Olshey didn't have to stock the bench with Mario/Tolliver/the corpse of Gasol. Going into the season the bench was so putrid they had to sign ZombieMelo to play 30+ MPG.

 

[brooklynballer]

[...] In my opinion we've got the weakest bench in the NBA so keeping some of these guys, Whiteside, Anthony, Ariza, Trent, Hezonja, and maybe even Simmons seems like the obvious way to go.

You’re joking about these two right? Carmelo is putting in maybe 25% effort on most nights on terrible efficiency. And Hezonja? I’m not even sure he’s an NBA player. He’s been nothing short of horrendous this whole season.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

You’re joking about these two right? Carmelo is putting in maybe 25% effort on most nights on terrible efficiency. And Hezonja? I’m not even sure he’s an NBA player. He’s been nothing short of horrendous this whole season.

I think the only role Melo should have is that of a bench scorer give him 15-20 minutes or so see if the balls going in and if he cares that night and Id be ok with that role for him. In my opinion he’s playing about 15 more minutes a night than he should be.

 

[PDXFonz]

Zach has his strength and weakness like ever player. Will he be a super star properly not but can he be piece to a team that help toward a championship but this team needs a lot more good pieces to get there though. We don't know how the season would have ended if he didn't get hurt. But even if he comes back you can't evaluate him for this season at all.

Word. He’s prob not going to be a Lebron, Lillard, Curry, Giannis name. But every team needs very solid ‘glue’ guys; and that is Zach imo. He’s going to stretch the floor on offense and give you some good offensive/defensive rebounds. He’s going to force the defense to cover him outside, he’s gonna hit a few threes to keep their defense honest. And he’s going to get some blocks on the defensive end.

 

[wizenheimer]

Word. He’s prob not going to be a Lebron, Lillard, Curry, Giannis name. But every team needs very solid ‘glue’ guys; and that is Zach imo. He’s going to stretch the floor on offense and give you some good offensive/defensive rebounds. He’s going to force the defense to cover him outside, he’s gonna hit a few threes to keep their defense honest. And he’s going to get some blocks on the defensive end.

Zach has shot 29% on FG's in the 10-16' zone; 19% on FG's in the 16-23' zone; and 32% on three's. He's not coming anywhere close to stretching the floor with that low of efficiency. Bazemore has never stretched defenses and he's a career 35% shooter from 3; and he is much better than Zach in the shorter zones. Zach is young and can get better, but it takes a consistently good shooter to stretch the floor. After all, Aron Baynes hit 9 three's against the Blazers and it didn't stretch Portland's defense....it crushed it though


Zach also needs to become a much better rebounder. He only has a 12% rebounding rate and that's very weak for 6'11 PF-C. Aminu was at 14.2% last year

 

[James lamphear]

Zach has shot 29% on FG's in the 10-16' zone; 19% on FG's in the 16-23' zone; and 32% on three's. He's not coming anywhere close to stretching the floor with that low of efficiency. Bazemore has never stretched defenses and he's a career 35% shooter from 3; and he is much better than Zach in the shorter zones. Zach is young and can get better, but it takes a consistently good shooter to stretch the floor. After all, Aron Baynes hit 9 three's against the Blazers and it didn't stretch Portland's defense....it crushed it though


Zach also needs to become a much better rebounder. He only has a 12% rebounding rate and that's very weak for 6'11 PF-C. Aminu was at 14.2% last year

We don't know what would happen if he didn't get hurt would your basing it on last year stats. In 3 games he already show he was stronger around the rim on offense and plus he looked dial in his mid range shot. But the one thing I will agree with you he need to be stronger on the defense board.

 

[James lamphear]

Stotts saying Zach not even close to getting on the floor. So are they just going to redshift him this season.

 

[B-Roy]

Stotts saying Zach not even close to getting on the floor. So are they just going to redshift him this season.

Don't think they are gonna put Zach in a cloud based data warehouse.

 

[tiredhunter]

Don't think they are gonna put Zach in a cloud based data warehouse.

They could try to accelerate him to the speed of light though.

 

[tester551]

Stotts saying Zach not even close to getting on the floor. So are they just going to redshift him this season.

I didn't see that. Where is that Stotts quote?

 

[Chris Craig]

I didn't see that. Where is that Stotts quote?

"They just hit their shots."

.....oh wait

 

[tlongII]

Stotts saying Zach not even close to getting on the floor. So are they just going to redshift him this season.

From seeing those workouts he looks close to me.

 

[James lamphear]

From seeing those workouts he looks close to me.

Yes that's what was thinking but when Stotts said what said it just came to my mind maybe they decide just the rest of the year. But again Stotts was playing around Nurk return too.

 

[James lamphear]

I didn't see that. Where is that Stotts quote?

It yesterday I read it somewhere or in one of his interview.

 

[TBpup]

Stotts saying Zach not even close to getting on the floor. So are they just going to redshift him this season.

Because Stotts doesn't want to take minutes from Melo?

 

[wizenheimer]

We don't know what would happen if he didn't get hurt would your basing it on last year stats. In 3 games he already show he was stronger around the rim on offense and plus he looked dial in his mid range shot. But the one thing I will agree with you he need to be stronger on the defense board.

no, I wasn't basing those numbers on last year's stats, alone. Those were career numbers

and I don't know how you concluded he was "stronger around the rim", He only attempted 7 shots at the rim this season and that's not enough attempts to know much. And his rebounding was way worse in those three games than his already poor rebounding rate last season. But again, way too small a sample size

I'd be confident he'll develop more core strength, but he's never going to be a strong big man. He'll have to rely on mobility, length, and finesse

 

[handiman]

no, I wasn't basing those numbers on last year's stats, alone. Those were career numbers

Really? He played a whopping 3 games this year. You know perfectly well that his career numbers almost entirely reflect his rookie year.

This is why I don't trust any of your stats. The amount of bias you bury in them is silly.

 

[wizenheimer]

Really? He played a whopping 3 games this year. You know perfectly well that his career numbers almost entirely reflect his rookie year.

This is why I don't trust any of your stats. The amount of bias you bury in them is silly.

WTF are you yapping about...??

Zach has played 2 full seasons, not just his rookie season. He's played in 156 NBA games and he's had consistent minutes with a consistent role. He played around 1100 minutes his rookie year and over 1600 his 2nd season

156 games and 2800 minutes doesn't have any sample size bias. That's a valid gauge of what he's done so far

 

[H.C.]

Zach Collins his rookie year played 15.8mpg. He shot 39.8% from the field and 31% from three.
Zach Collins his second year played 17.6mpg. He shot 47.3% from the field and 33.1% from three.
I personally find it disingenuous to combine his 1100 minutes played his rookie year with his 1600 minutes played his second year in an attempt to find a baseline for Collins.
Both are large enough sample sizes to stand on their own.

He was projected to be the starting 4 this year by default, as really Tolliver was his only competition.
Would those %'s hold up? Who knows. Collins has always looked better playing with the starters than the next group.
One thing is for certain.
It's said bigs make the biggest jump their 3rd year. His % across the board went up in his 2nd year. If he was able to maintain those % it wouldn't have hurt Portland given his abilitys on defense.

 

[JDC]

I'm on the NBA's stat site a lot and hadn't noticed how great their shooting splits page is.

Here's Zach (you can watch video if you click anywhere that's blue)

https://stats.nba.com/player/1628380/shooting/

 

[James lamphear]

no, I wasn't basing those numbers on last year's stats, alone. Those were career numbers

and I don't know how you concluded he was "stronger around the rim", He only attempted 7 shots at the rim this season and that's not enough attempts to know much. And his rebounding was way worse in those three games than his already poor rebounding rate last season. But again, way too small a sample size

I'd be confident he'll develop more core strength, but he's never going to be a strong big man. He'll have to rely on mobility, length, and finesse

Did you could see it when watching him go through guys arms attempt even was smaller size. Now his rebounding can do better but you have realized how many times he switched off smaller guys so naturally he is not position to rebound.

 

[James lamphear]

Because Stotts doesn't want to take minutes from Melo?

That could be true and Stotts could be blowing smoke up ever buddy ass too. But guess we will wait and see.

 

[wizenheimer]

Now his rebounding can do better but you have realized how many times he switched off smaller guys so naturally he is not position to rebound.

that's a poor excuse. Of course he's going to switch on defense as a PF. All NBA PF's do. Aminu did all the time and still managed a better rebounding rate. And Zach spends half his time at C where rebounding is more important and where he remains closer to the basket

 

[James lamphear]

that's a poor excuse. Of course he's going to switch on defense as a PF. All NBA PF's do. Aminu did all the time and still managed a better rebounding rate. And Zach spends half his time at C where rebounding is more important and where he remains closer to the basket

Didn't I say I like him be better rebounder