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WTF are you yapping about...??

Zach has played 2 full seasons, not just his rookie season. He's played in 156 NBA games and he's had consistent minutes with a consistent role. He played around 1100 minutes his rookie year and over 1600 his 2nd season

156 games and 2800 minutes doesn't have any sample size bias. That's a valid gauge of what he's done so far

Think this Collins is worth the max..??

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiret...itely-Feel-Like-Im-In-Max-Contract-Contention
 

he's maybe not worth a max deal, but a lot of guys who flash big-time potential get significantly overpaid on their rookie extensions. And he has flashed big time potential by averaging 22 points and 10 rebounds while shooting 64% on two's and 41% on three's.

there's another way to look at it though. Say he signs a max 4-year deal which would be in the 128-130M range. Call it 32M/year. That would mean the Hawks had him for 8-years/141M counting his rookie deal. That's less than 18M/year and it's a big reason why teams are willing to had out big contracts to their prize rookies
 
Damn John Collins max? Crazy how many good players came after Zach. Bam, John Collins, Jarred Allen, Donovan Mitchell, even Kuzma..

And to think we had 3 picks that year! Smh
 
Damn John Collins max? Crazy how many good players came after Zach. Bam, John Collins, Jarred Allen, Donovan Mitchell, even Kuzma..

And to think we had 3 picks that year! Smh

I honestly don't mind taking Zach over John. I think he's an empty stat kind of guy and plays terrible defense. Same (but more so) with Kuzma. But missing on Bam is going to hurt for a long time.
 
he'll develop more core strength, but he's never going to be a strong big man. He'll have to rely on mobility, length, and finesse

Yes. As I have said in the past, he's so thin that he will have an injury-prone career. He is defense-minded, but not defense-bodied.
 
Yes. As I have said in the past, he's so thin that he will have an injury-prone career. He is defense-minded, but not defense-bodied.

We will see, not unusual for bigs that come into the league at his age to be slim. I would say when he's 24-25 you'll see him fill out. His pop 's a big dude now but I bet he too was thin at 22.
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You asked the wrong question. Is ready to play? That's what I want to know.
He looked ready to play. If I thought they were going to play soon,I would have asked. Not much time since we were both checking out.
 
We will see, not unusual for bigs that come into the league at his age to be slim. I would say when he's 24-25 you'll see him fill out.

He can't. Check out the calf bones. Abnormally thin. He's finishing his third NBA year of trying to gain weight.
 
23 years old Kevin was 210lbs 6'10

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Kevin McHale
Pronunciation: \mick-HALE\

Kevin Edward McHale

(Black Hole)

Position: Power Forward ▪ Shoots: Right

6-10, 210lb (208cm, 95kg)

Born: December 19, 1957 (Age: 62-113d) in Hibbing, Minnesota us

College: Minnesota

High School: Hibbing in Hibbing, Minnesota

Draft: Boston Celtics, 1st round (3rd pick, 3rd overall), 1980 NBA Draft

NBA Debut: October 10, 1980

Hall of Fame: Inducted as Player in 1999 (Full List)

I love that you use this example of McHale. You know it actually bother me a lot when people say that Collins may be defensive minded but doesn’t have a defensive body. I would like those people to say that to the faces of Patrick Beverly or Draymond green of the world. Guys like them who may lack good height or great athleticism make it up with iq and efforts. Collins have shown them both. He’s gonna be a lot better defender than we may realize. Just give him time to figure out nba basketball but once he does boy watch out
 
Zach was probably our best defender in the playoffs last year. Sometimes what you see in TV or real live at the games is different then the stats shows. I thought he play really good defense the 3 games he played this year and he was finishing games out while Whiteside was sitting. But was 3 games and if he didn't get hurt who knows some of you critics of him might have different tune and we possible we would have better record.
 
Is this HPC’s burner account? The blurry pictures are a dead give away. Also, it amazes me someone that rich shops at Walmart.

That was my first thought, too, but what else is open these days?
 

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