07/08 Season in Review: Stromile Swift

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 28 2008, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey! Cpawfan said my expectation of him having a decent game once in a while was unreasonable. He is waaaaaaaay more of a hater than I am!</div>


you failed to answer my questions.
 
I accidentaly gave him an A

Oops my vote is C though.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Apr 28 2008, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 28 2008, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey! Cpawfan said my expectation of him having a decent game once in a while was unreasonable. He is waaaaaaaay more of a hater than I am!</div>


you failed to answer my questions.
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Actually, I more than covered every aspect of your question.

I noticed you did not step up and answer mine, though.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Anybody have an actual reason for giving him a passing grade?</div>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 28 2008, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I noticed you did not step up and answer mine, though.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Anybody have an actual reason for giving him a passing grade?</div>
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i gave 3 or 4 reasons in my first post dude. i'll tell you again..

-he didn't make lots of mistakes like everyone said he would
-he didn't get lazy like everyone said he would
-he wasn't a locker room issue like people said he would be
-when given playing time he played hard and played well more often than not

imo he met and occasionally exceeded expectations in limited minutes. he didn't complain or get lazy when they benched him for a couple weeks. that's why i give him a b-/c+
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Apr 28 2008, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 28 2008, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I noticed you did not step up and answer mine, though.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Anybody have an actual reason for giving him a passing grade?</div>
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i gave 3 or 4 reasons in my first post dude. i'll tell you again..

-he didn't make lots of mistakes like everyone said he would
-he didn't get lazy like everyone said he would
-he wasn't a locker room issue like people said he would be
-when given playing time he played hard and played well more often than not

imo he met and occasionally exceeded expectations in limited minutes. he didn't complain or get lazy when they benched him for a couple weeks. that's why i give him a b-/c+
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Sorry if I missed your first post.

I never thought he would be a locker room problem. I always thought of him as a quiet, sort of timid guy.

I don't understand why you say he played "well". What specifically did he accomplish? I can't think of a single game where he made a difference.

I'm sorry if I don't give him credit for acting professionally. That's a minimum standard. He certainly shouldn't get extra credit for not being a whiny bitch. The fact that has to even be mentioned says a lot about him.

I still have no idea why the Nets made this trade unless they either mistakenly thought there was a chance he would opt out or it was their subtle way of tanking.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 28 2008, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Apr 28 2008, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 28 2008, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I noticed you did not step up and answer mine, though.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Anybody have an actual reason for giving him a passing grade?</div>
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i gave 3 or 4 reasons in my first post dude. i'll tell you again..

-he didn't make lots of mistakes like everyone said he would
-he didn't get lazy like everyone said he would
-he wasn't a locker room issue like people said he would be
-when given playing time he played hard and played well more often than not

imo he met and occasionally exceeded expectations in limited minutes. he didn't complain or get lazy when they benched him for a couple weeks. that's why i give him a b-/c+
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Sorry if I missed your first post.

I never thought he would be a locker room problem. I always thought of him as a quiet, sort of timid guy.

I don't understand why you say he played "well". What specifically did he accomplish? I can't think of a single game where he made a difference.
I'm sorry if I don't give him credit for acting professionally. That's a minimum standard. He certainly shouldn't get extra credit for not being a whiny bitch. The fact that has to even be mentioned says a lot about him.

I still have no idea why the Nets made this trade unless they either mistakenly thought there was a chance he would opt out or it was their subtle way of tanking.
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the 2 wins against milwaukee and the win against toronto he definetly contributed to.


plus, he's a role player. he's not going to be a major factor in every single game. that's why he's a role player. my point is that he played his role pretty well. that's all you can ask from a guy who plays less than 15 minutes a game. i don't see how any nets fan could be disappointed in his play so far. if you're disappointed, then you set yourself up for failure by thinking he was more than a role player. it's not his fault that he was drafted #2 EIGHT years ago. people need to realize he's been a role player his entire career and will probably be one for the rest of his career. if you realize that, you should be pleased with his production and positive attitude. i've watched him play for 3 teams, and he's giving you guys his best effort. i can tell when he's slacking off and when he isn't. he slacked off in houston. he hasn't slacked off in new jersey. trust me on that.
 
I guess I just don't see what role he fills or why the Nets need him. The contributions he made were minimal and they have similar players who can provide the same things.

I thought maybe there would be a few games where he would assert himself and earn a little run. People say Frank has these biases and blah blah, but I've seen him give player after player opportunities when they have a hot hand. Darrell Armstrong passed Marcus Williams on the depth chart for three games after his great night in Orlando, for example.

Like I said, I've seen Stro play a good game here and there for other teams but here he just never had any kind of impact at all.

Perhaps he'll be easier to trade as an expiring contract than Collins would have been. I don't know.
 
To me, Swift's defining moment was on the offensive end, when he got the ball, and lost it. He felt some players hacked him, and started complaining to the refs about it.

The thing is...THE BALL WAS STILL IN PLAY. And not only that, but Devin was trying to save the ball from going out of bounds, and tried passing it TO SWIFT...while he was complaining and bitching to the refs.

I think the ball bounced off of Swift, and Devin corralled it. I'm not sure, but I just couldn't believe he did that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 29 2008, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>To me, Swift's defining moment was on the offensive end, when he got the ball, and lost it. He felt some players hacked him, and started complaining to the refs about it.

The thing is...THE BALL WAS STILL IN PLAY. And not only that, but Devin was trying to save the ball from going out of bounds, and tried passing it TO SWIFT...while he was complaining and bitching to the refs.

I think the ball bounced off of Swift, and Devin corralled it. I'm not sure, but I just couldn't believe he did that.</div>


that's only one play, and what actually happened is he went up for a dunk and a guy fouled him on purpose to send him to the line, and the ref didn't blow the whistle. he was CLEARLY fouled pretty hard on that play. that's not an excuse, but swift almost never complains to officials, seriously. that's very rare to see from him, he was clearly very frustrated that game. but, you can't judge the guy's season based on one play. name every mistake he made with the nets. the list isn't long.

i bet every player on the roster has failed to get back on D while complaining to the refs atleast once this season. why is it so much worse when swift does it, and he probably complains to refs less than any other player on the team. seriously, in the last 4 seasons that's the only time i can recall him getting angry at a ref.

like i said in my other post, if you expected him to come to NJ and be anything but a role player, that's not his fault, that's your problem. if you say he has no role on this team, that's not his fault either. that's the GMs problem. the fact of the matter is that he gave you guys his best effort and did what he could in very limited opportunites.
 
You keep saying he's a role player.

What is his role? What unique skills can he bring off the bench to help his team win games?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Apr 29 2008, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>if you say he has no role on this team, that's not his fault either. that's the GMs problem.</div>

The Nets had arguably the waekest bench in the NBA. He was competing against players who were either not very good or not ready for the NBA and he failed to make any sort of difference.

You say that was his best effort. If that's the case, doesn't that mean a low grade is justified? That he just isn't a good player even when he gives an honest effort?
 
I gave him an F+. I would have given him an F, but he's an AWESOME DUNKER!!!!!!!
 
You can't grade a guy that was with the team for half the season and he only played half those games.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King John da FiF @ Apr 29 2008, 01:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You can't grade a guy that was with the team for half the season and he only played half those games.</div>

Sure I can. I did. I gave him an F+.
 
C+. had some really good jump shots. barely missed them. and some great dunks. i hate how ppl just waste their time looking for stats when you can just watch how they play on tv. frank didnt even give him decent minutes, and when he did, swift did good. dont see all the hate. better than playing 4 on 5 with collins on our team.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 29 2008, 01:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You keep saying he's a role player.

What is his role? What unique skills can he bring off the bench to help his team win games?</div>

he's an elite athlete who can finish around the rim. he's a good shot blocker and an above average defender. he can score in the post when given the opportunity, and he's a pretty good passer for a big man. he can hit an open jumper.

i'm not trying to make a claim that he's a great player who should get big time minutes, i'm just saying he's not as bad as some of you make him out to be. he did a pretty good job when given minutes with the nets more often than not. if you can't see that than i really don't feel like discussing this with you.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Apr 29 2008, 01:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I gave him an F+. I would have given him an F, but he's an AWESOME DUNKER!!!!!!!</div>

How is it possible that he didn't exceed your expectations of him?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Apr 29 2008, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>he's an elite athlete who can finish around the rim.</div>

Not a unique skill on the Nets

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>he's a good shot blocker and an above average defender.</div>

above average defender, damn that is hilarious and wrong


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>he can score in the post when given the opportunity, and he's a pretty good passer for a big man. he can hit an open jumper.</div>

The Nets have better passing and jump shooting big men. Sure he can score in the post when spoon fed, but otherwise it is some combination of jab step, jab step, turnover.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Apr 29 2008, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>cpawfan, your previous 2 posts really contradict each other.</div>

No they don't
 
I give him a B-. I think he played relatively hard. I think it was an achievement for him to beat out Sean Williams for playing time.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Apr 29 2008, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>cpawfan, your previous 2 posts really contradict each other.</div>

I told you. Cpawfan hates Swift a million times more than I do.

I thought he might be able to contribute something and I was left shaking my head.

He expects a player that will be unbelievably horrible and stupid and eventually get frustrated and give up, so Stro wildly exceeded his expectations.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 29 2008, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Apr 29 2008, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>cpawfan, your previous 2 posts really contradict each other.</div>

I told you. Cpawfan hates Swift a million times more than I do.

I thought he might be able to contribute something and I was left shaking my head.

He expects a player that will be unbelievably horrible and stupid and eventually get frustrated and give up, so Stro wildly exceeded his expectations.
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I didnt expect much of him either, i actually thought hed be in the doghouse for most of the season. But when he played he did it decently thats why i gave him a C.
I remember when some people thought hed be our "savior" the big man we never had and always need. What a joke, swfit is clearly a bust and will never be a good player you can rely on to win games and be competive. I cant believe he was the 2nd pick at the draft.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 29 2008, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I remember when some people thought hed be our "savior" the big man we never had and always need.</div>

Where are such people?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 30 2008, 12:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 29 2008, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I remember when some people thought hed be our "savior" the big man we never had and always need.</div>

Where are such people?
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annoying.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 29 2008, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Apr 29 2008, 01:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I gave him an F+. I would have given him an F, but he's an AWESOME DUNKER!!!!!!!</div>

How is it possible that he didn't exceed your expectations of him?
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Hey, I'm not grading on a curve. If this were the D-League he'd get a solid B+.

His biggest problem isn't even his fault. I just really liked Jason Collins.

His grade immediately jumps to an A if he somehow becomes a critical piece in a classic Thorn rip-off trade.
 
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