2008 GM Draft 1 Peer Evaluation Thread

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WELL... i have some veteran leadership with davis and west... ben is my pure scorer... i kno he doesnt play much defense...

-davis can push the ball off a miss or penetrate the half court sets... or he can even post up vs a smaller PG or some SG's...

david west is our post up presense... he can also hit the 18-20 foot jumper and can put the ball on the floor if needed.

i would run some sets for ben like a double screen coming from west and haywood... but he would be more likely waitin for a pass to come out of the post whether it be davis or west... and he can drain open shots


haywood isnt much of an offensive threat or anythin for that matter... but he plays solid D... and he is a BIG BODY... and a rebounder
only offense i expect from him is put backs
i gotta look up his ft % and look into that stat


baron davis
ben gordon
no sf yet
david west
brendan haywood
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 4 2008, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kid Chocolate's team is not built to win today. In fact, you could say all three of his players are stupid, but at least they'll get smarter. In Durant, Aldridge, and Bogut, there's a front line of very good players that are all young and stupid.</div>

You could say that, but you'd be completely wrong. Durant's bball IQ is nothing to write home about, but LMA and Bogut both have above average bball IQs, and Bogut has one of the best bball IQs of any big man in the league.
This team isn't close to being stupid.
</div>

LOL

Look at the W/L for those guys. They have all the physical skills and technical abilities, no? So where's the wins!
</div>
Oh come on, Denny. Aldridge is on a future Dynasty, and Bogut is stuck with RJ, Redd, and Williams.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 4 2008, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kid Chocolate's team is not built to win today. In fact, you could say all three of his players are stupid, but at least they'll get smarter. In Durant, Aldridge, and Bogut, there's a front line of very good players that are all young and stupid.</div>

You could say that, but you'd be completely wrong. Durant's bball IQ is nothing to write home about, but LMA and Bogut both have above average bball IQs, and Bogut has one of the best bball IQs of any big man in the league.
This team isn't close to being stupid.
</div>

LOL

Look at the W/L for those guys. They have all the physical skills and technical abilities, no? So where's the wins!
</div>

That doesn't even make sense.

How is W/L a reflection of one player's skill set/basketball IQ?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Aug 4 2008, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So is Travis Outlaw, but he is a dumbass too!!
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Outlaw has the physical tools, and has shown signs of putting it together. He's young enough that he can improve still, but he just makes too many boneheaded decisions.

I mean, apparently Brandon Roy sucks, because he's on the Blazers.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If the Rosters in the Rosters thread is correct/up to date, then 3 teams currently stand out to me.

Kid Chocolate's team is not built to win today. In fact, you could say all three of his players are stupid, but at least they'll get smarter. In Durant, Aldridge, and Bogut, there's a front line of very good players that are all young and stupid.

The 3 teams?

JFizzleRaider's team needs a solid PG and it's going to be one of the more dominant teams.

Real's 3some of Okur, Pierce, and Paul is maybe better than last year's Celtics team. OK, not the defensive juggernaut, tho.

DynastYWarrioR6 has the win-today version of KC's front court.</div>

I GOT A COMPLIMENT WOOT!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DynastYWarrioR6 @ Aug 4 2008, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If the Rosters in the Rosters thread is correct/up to date, then 3 teams currently stand out to me.

Kid Chocolate's team is not built to win today. In fact, you could say all three of his players are stupid, but at least they'll get smarter. In Durant, Aldridge, and Bogut, there's a front line of very good players that are all young and stupid.

The 3 teams?

JFizzleRaider's team needs a solid PG and it's going to be one of the more dominant teams.

Real's 3some of Okur, Pierce, and Paul is maybe better than last year's Celtics team. OK, not the defensive juggernaut, tho.

DynastYWarrioR6 has the win-today version of KC's front court.</div>

I GOT A COMPLIMENT WOOT!
</div>


BOOOOO! BOOOO! BOOOO!

hahah
nah good job
 
Portland won like 13 straight last season. The pundits were praising Brandon Roy, not Aldridge. I would say Roy's IQ is very high.

Redd is an all-star caliber player (he's been an all-star).

The Bulls (not last season), Detroit, and San Antonio are good examples of teams with lots of players with high IQs, it does translate into wins.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Portland won like 13 straight last season. The pundits were praising Brandon Roy, not Aldridge. I would say Roy's IQ is very high.

Redd is an all-star caliber player (he's been an all-star).

The Bulls (not last season), Detroit, and San Antonio are good examples of teams with lots of players with high IQs, it does translate into wins.</div>

Unnamed forward has also been an allstar (damn these rules)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Portland won like 13 straight last season. The pundits were praising Brandon Roy, not Aldridge. I would say Roy's IQ is very high.

Redd is an all-star caliber player (he's been an all-star).

The Bulls (not last season), Detroit, and San Antonio are good examples of teams with lots of players with high IQs, it does translate into wins.</div>

Who the pundits praise has no bearing on BBal IQ

That is something obvious from observation.
 
Because Bogut is on a sh*tty team, he is stupid.
Because LMA isn't the leader of his team, even though he's a vital piece, he deserves no credit.

All the best teams in the league (Det, SAS), have players with high basketball IQs. High basketball IQ = wins. OBVIOUSLY. The best teams have no room for dumb players on their teams. DUH.

Those points are barely logical.
 
LOL

Another way to look at it. The Lakers added THE guy with one of the highest bball IQ's in history and won 5 championships, the first one in year 1. The Celtics added a similar guy and went from 29 wins to 61 wins and win the championship in year 2.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL

Another way to look at it. The Lakers added THE guy with one of the highest bball IQ's in history and won 5 championships, the first one in year 1. The Celtics added a similar guy and went from 29 wins to 61 wins and win the championship in year 2.</div>
But yet according to your logic, that player didnt have a high bball IQ with his last team since it sucked..:x
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL

Another way to look at it. The Lakers added THE guy with one of the highest bball IQ's in history and won 5 championships, the first one in year 1. The Celtics added a similar guy and went from 29 wins to 61 wins and win the championship in year 2.</div>

Transcendent players are transcendent players. What they were able to do doesn't apply to mere mortals.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL

Another way to look at it. The Lakers added THE guy with one of the highest bball IQ's in history and won 5 championships, the first one in year 1. The Celtics added a similar guy and went from 29 wins to 61 wins and win the championship in year 2.</div>

So now we are comparing Bogut and LMA to MVP and HOF'ers. Right.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL

Another way to look at it. The Lakers added THE guy with one of the highest bball IQ's in history and won 5 championships, the first one in year 1. The Celtics added a similar guy and went from 29 wins to 61 wins and win the championship in year 2.</div>
But yet according to you logic, that player didnt have a high bball IQ with his last team since it sucked..:x
</div>

Bird, not KG
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Aug 4 2008, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Aug 4 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL

Another way to look at it. The Lakers added THE guy with one of the highest bball IQ's in history and won 5 championships, the first one in year 1. The Celtics added a similar guy and went from 29 wins to 61 wins and win the championship in year 2.</div>
But yet according to you logic, that player didnt have a high bball IQ with his last team since it sucked..:x
</div>

Bird, not KG
</div>
Lol, thanks. :x

My bad.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 4 2008, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL

Another way to look at it. The Lakers added THE guy with one of the highest bball IQ's in history and won 5 championships, the first one in year 1. The Celtics added a similar guy and went from 29 wins to 61 wins and win the championship in year 2.</div>

So now we are comparing Bogut and LMA to MVP and HOF'ers. Right.
</div>

They may well be HOFers. The jury's out on that one, eh?

Your frontcourt might win a championship 4 or 5 years from now, because I do think the players will get smarter to go along with their physical skills.

In my book, the best player on your team is Durant; by the time he does figure the game out, he's going to be Kobe-like. He's obviously not Kobe-like now. And he's your primary scorer, so far.

Lots of luck with that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL

Another way to look at it. The Lakers added THE guy with one of the highest bball IQ's in history and won 5 championships, the first one in year 1. The Celtics added a similar guy and went from 29 wins to 61 wins and win the championship in year 2.</div>

Are you insinuating Aldridge and Bogut should be as good as Magic and Bird?
 
Speaking of IQ...

Paul Pierce was arrested here in Vegas this morning.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/26235529.html

Celtics' Pierce handcuffed during traffic stop in LV


REVIEW-JOURNAL

The Boston Celtics' Paul Pierce, the most valuable player in the 2008 NBA Finals, was handcuffed by Las Vegas police early Sunday after he was initially uncooperative following a traffic stop for driving erratically on the Strip.

Bill Cassell, public information officer for the Metropolitan Police Department, said he did not have the details about why Pierce was cuffed but said it often happens when "an individual is loudly hostile."

"You have to remember he's a big guy," Cassell said.

Pierce, a forward who is 6 feet 7 inches tall and weighs 235 pounds, "rapidly calmed down," and police removed the handcuffs after about 15 minutes, Cassell said.

"We find this happens a lot of times," Cassell said. "Someone is a little agitated, and when they're placed in handcuffs, they rethink things."

The traffic stop occurred around 3 a.m. near Las Vegas Boulevard and Tropicana Avenue, Cassell said.

Officers gave Pierce field sobriety tests, which often take up to an hour, he said.

A Breathalyzer showed Pierce registered below the 0.08 level that defines legal intoxication in Nevada.

Pierce did not drive the car after he was stopped.

"He made a decision to have one of the valets park his car for the night," Cassell said.

Police did not cite Pierce for a traffic infraction.

"We don't cite everybody we stop," Cassell said. "Sometimes we give just a verbal warning. It's based on the totality of the circumstances."

Pierce, a frequent NBA all-star, led the Celtics to the NBA championship over the Los Angeles Lakers in June.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_War_Poet_ForLife @ Aug 4 2008, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL

Another way to look at it. The Lakers added THE guy with one of the highest bball IQ's in history and won 5 championships, the first one in year 1. The Celtics added a similar guy and went from 29 wins to 61 wins and win the championship in year 2.</div>

Are you insinuating Aldridge and Bogut should be as good as Magic and Bird?
</div>

If KC's team is going to win this year, then yes.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 4 2008, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL

Another way to look at it. The Lakers added THE guy with one of the highest bball IQ's in history and won 5 championships, the first one in year 1. The Celtics added a similar guy and went from 29 wins to 61 wins and win the championship in year 2.</div>

So now we are comparing Bogut and LMA to MVP and HOF'ers. Right.
</div>

They may well be HOFers. The jury's out on that one, eh?

Your frontcourt might win a championship 4 or 5 years from now, because I do think the players will get smarter to go along with their physical skills.

In my book, the best player on your team is Durant; by the time he does figure the game out, he's going to be Kobe-like. He's obviously not Kobe-like now. And he's your primary scorer, so far.

Lots of luck with that.
</div>

How much basketball do you watch these days? The occasional game on ABC?
 
Ah, the old "how much hoops do you watch?" dodge.

Yawn.

I've had NBA LP since before the Bulls were champs and watch lots of games and have seen all the teams play more than once (last season).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_War_Poet_ForLife @ Aug 4 2008, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL

Another way to look at it. The Lakers added THE guy with one of the highest bball IQ's in history and won 5 championships, the first one in year 1. The Celtics added a similar guy and went from 29 wins to 61 wins and win the championship in year 2.</div>

Are you insinuating Aldridge and Bogut should be as good as Magic and Bird?
</div>

If KC's team is going to win this year, then yes.
</div>
Yes, a team built around Bogut, Aldridge, and Durant is made to win now. Yes, I know your point is about BBIQ right now, but Aldridge and Bogut are both smart players already
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_War_Poet_ForLife @ Aug 4 2008, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL

Another way to look at it. The Lakers added THE guy with one of the highest bball IQ's in history and won 5 championships, the first one in year 1. The Celtics added a similar guy and went from 29 wins to 61 wins and win the championship in year 2.</div>

Are you insinuating Aldridge and Bogut should be as good as Magic and Bird?
</div>

If KC's team is going to win this year, then yes.
</div>
Even bird and Magic wouldnt win with a team that only has 3-4 players.
 
I LOVE BASKETBALL... i love the nets... but i love the sport... i still play the sport
im goin to detroit this labor day for intercity bball tourney... hehe i get the nba channel just so i can watch other teams play... my wife goes crazy when i watch basketball... but she likes the lakers... go figure
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Speaking of IQ...

Paul Pierce was arrested here in Vegas this morning.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/26235529.html

Celtics' Pierce handcuffed during traffic stop in LV


REVIEW-JOURNAL

The Boston Celtics' Paul Pierce, the most valuable player in the 2008 NBA Finals, was handcuffed by Las Vegas police early Sunday after he was initially uncooperative following a traffic stop for driving erratically on the Strip.

Bill Cassell, public information officer for the Metropolitan Police Department, said he did not have the details about why Pierce was cuffed but said it often happens when "an individual is loudly hostile."

"You have to remember he's a big guy," Cassell said.

Pierce, a forward who is 6 feet 7 inches tall and weighs 235 pounds, "rapidly calmed down," and police removed the handcuffs after about 15 minutes, Cassell said.

"We find this happens a lot of times," Cassell said. "Someone is a little agitated, and when they're placed in handcuffs, they rethink things."

The traffic stop occurred around 3 a.m. near Las Vegas Boulevard and Tropicana Avenue, Cassell said.

Officers gave Pierce field sobriety tests, which often take up to an hour, he said.

A Breathalyzer showed Pierce registered below the 0.08 level that defines legal intoxication in Nevada.

Pierce did not drive the car after he was stopped.

"He made a decision to have one of the valets park his car for the night," Cassell said.

Police did not cite Pierce for a traffic infraction.

"We don't cite everybody we stop," Cassell said. "Sometimes we give just a verbal warning. It's based on the totality of the circumstances."

Pierce, a frequent NBA all-star, led the Celtics to the NBA championship over the Los Angeles Lakers in June.</div>
Yet his team won it all.

Also take a couple of steps back to the Heat team that won it all in 2006.

Are you stating Antoine Walker has a high bball IQ?
 
Yeah Outlaw taken way too early, hes only a good bench player. He can't work within an offense, hence why he isn't starting. He has to be the go to guy on offense and loves to run a lot of iso. He's also not a good slasher, hes an unblockable jump shooter.

His defense is overrated, he had a couple great ESPN highlights where he played great D at the end of a couple games. But generally I think he is a below average defender.
 
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