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Wow, that Sullinger news is crazy. I wonder if this would have been picked up last year when he should have come out. A contender will be able to take a flier on him and get him for a steal.

Ohio State Buckeyes big man Jared Sullinger has been medically red flagged by NBA doctors, multiple league sources told ESPN.com on Monday. ... A number of NBA team doctors have reviewed the information from the NBA and have told their front office staff that Sullinger's back issues could shorten his NBA career and some have advised their teams not to draft him in the first round.
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http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2012/st...edically-red-flag-jared-sullinger-sources-say
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
More on Marquis Teague.
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He was certainly a disappointment. Going into Kentucky he was a projected top-10 pick and now he'll likely go in the late 1st.

Some sites say his ceiling is Tony Parker but I don't buy that. What Tony does exceptionally well, Teague is terrible at:

He's even more complacent with putting up his floaters and runners, as he hit an abysmal 5-for-32 of those this season according to Synergy, something he'll clearly need to improve on at the next level if he wants to continue utilizing that weapon.
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Despite his excellent showing in March, Teague's 12.3 points per 40 minutes pace adjusted and 49% True Shooting Percentage both rank second to last among all players in our top-100 rankings, as he showed many problems with inconsistency and turnovers throughout the season, which makes him a player who could see his stock vary wildly throughout the pre-draft season.
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Rastapopoulos said:
"Projected"?
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I believe so.

I made a few minor tweaks compared to a year ago -- most notably, I ditched the "Howland" variable, even though it was statistically significant, because it felt like an "overfit" (fitting the model to past results that may not necessarily be predictive) and I had enough significant variables without it. Otherwise, it's basically same as it ever was -- a giant regression model that gets incrementally smarter as we fill it with more data each year and one that I've segmented by position. It's still less predictive with one-and-done players, whom it sees less of statistically before they turn pro, and it's not perfect -- we're trying to project what 19-year-olds will be like at 25, a profoundly inexact science.
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2012/story/_/page/PERDiem-120618/nba-2012-nba-draft-rater
 
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Well now I know how he does against high schoolers.
 
Are there any players with Drummond's combination of size and athleticism ever been a bust? I can't think of any.

Even against high schoolers, windmill slams done by a 280 lb. player is impressive.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Are there any players with Drummond's combination of size and athleticism ever been a bust? I can't think of any.

Even against high schoolers, windmill slams done by a 280 lb. player is impressive.
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Oden?
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Are there any players with Drummond's combination of size and athleticism ever been a bust? I can't think of any.

Even against high schoolers, windmill slams done by a 280 lb. player is impressive.
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Patrick O'Bryant?
 
Oden was as big and as athletic and is a bust. Kwame was slightly lighter, but was about as athletic, and is a bust. Darko was a similar size and athlete and is a bust. Obryant wasn't as athletic i suppose.
 
if unibrow wasnt in this draft, drummond would be a slam dunk #1 overall
 
Just like the Kandi man, right?

I think teams would still struggle, and would have to really want Drummond to take him over Robinson.
 
I think fans would be going apeshit over Kandi if he were in this years draft just based on his combine measurements:

6'11.75" w/o shoes
7'8" wingspan
35" max vertical leap

Game changer! o0
 
RR7 said:
Oden was as big and as athletic and is a bust. Kwame was slightly lighter, but was about as athletic, and is a bust. Darko was a similar size and athlete and is a bust. Obryant wasn't as athletic i suppose.
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Oden may have been busted but he was not a bust. Darko is a good example though. Decent player, but just not worth taking over Melo. I would actually like to have Darko and his 5 million a year contract.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
I think fans would be going apeshit over Kandi if he were in this years draft just based on his combine measurements:

6'11.75" w/o shoes
7'8" wingspan
35" max vertical leap

Game changer! o0
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You'd be offering up Aldridge and our next 4 1sts to trade up for him.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Oden may have been busted but he was not a bust. Darko is a good example though. Decent player, but just not worth taking over Melo. I would actually like to have Darko and his 5 million a year contract.
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Oden is a bust.
 
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Executives are falling in love with Bradley Beal. Teams are trying to trade into the top four to select Beal, according to multiple sources.
 
RR7 said:
Oden is a bust.
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For this particular discussion we are talking about talent at Drummonds size:

"Sadly, Greg Oden is probably done in the NBA. He's had more knee surgery than most athletes would have in their life time, yet he's only contributed a total of 82 games across four NBA seasons. A lesser talent would have been cut from the NBA years ago, but Greg Oden's problem has never been talent. In his last season in the NBA, Oden averaged 11 points, 9 rebounds and 2 blocks in 24 minutes. Spread that average to 36, and he'd have registered 17 points, 13 rebounds and 3 blocks. Given this production as well as his college numbers, it's easy to see why Portland kept him around for as long as they did."

I would gladly take that from Drummond if I wanted to draft him at 6. (other than the injury part)
 
Yeah, I would like to see POR trade for Beal....sitting at #6 they may be able to move up to #4 or #5 at a relatively affordable cost come draft day...provided one of those teams is not enamored with one of that 2nd tier group (Robinson, Beal, MKG & Barnes)

Darko is a good example though. Decent player, but just not worth taking over Melo. I would actually like to have Darko and his 5 million a year contract.
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I don't think Darko is a good example at all, watching him play, he is nowhere near as athletic as Drummond is IMO....

Kwame Brown was a bust at #1, but he is still in the league as a serviceable big man....

Drummond is an interesting kid, he went to prep school in a small town, he is one of the younger kids in this draft clas, kind of a quiet, unassuming guy....and he just needs to mature some more....he got totally screwed up by the whole mess with Calhoun at UCONN...They never really utilized him right...He is definitely a project, that is the thing with him, it may take...2...3...4.. years? as he slowly develops...If his offense never materializes then I could see him like a DeAndre Jordan...defense, rebounding, running the floor and a lot of dunks that make up his offense, but he shows some potential to hit a jumper...

http://articles.courant.com/2011-08..._1_andre-drummond-wilbraham-monson-jere-quinn
 
RealGM Wiretap...............NBA Execs Express Concern About Beal's Shooting Ability

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...rn_About_Beals_Shooting_Ability#ixzz1yDUIQd6c


Two NBA executives voiced their concern about Bradley Beal, who despite shooting just 33.9 percent from beyond the three-point arc, often draws comparison to Ray Allen.

"I think in a lot of ways, he is going off his reputation coming out of high school, because so many people saw him as a potentially great college player,” one NBA personnel executive said. “And he might still be. But you have to acknowledge there is some risk there. He has a lot of tools, a lot of skills. But the Ray Allen thing, I mean, Ray never shot below 40 percent on 3s in college. That’s the thing—if a guy is a great shooter, you want to see the ball go in the basket. I think you roll the dice on him, for sure, but you have to acknowledge the risk.”

A 6-foot-4 guard with a 39-inch vertical leap, Beal has the physical tools to excel at both ends of the floor.

“He is a prototype 2-guard, he has all the things you’re looking for,” one general manager said. “So many guys coming out of college, they’re one-dribble guys, or they can’t put the ball on the floor at all. Someone like Beal, he can put it on the floor, he can help you create shots. He defends, too. He surprised a lot of people with his D.

"The shooting thing, it is hard to explain, because his mechanics are so good and so consistent. I think he gets it together once he is in an NBA system.”

Via Sporting News


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...rn_About_Beals_Shooting_Ability#ixzz1yDU4G0Ib
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Wizard Mentor said:
Are there any players with Drummond's combination of size and athleticism ever been a bust? I can't think of any.
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The thing is, all the relevant examples were top picks. If any of them went #6, like would be the case if we get Drummond, history would be much kinder to their memory.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Executives are falling in love with Bradley Beal. Teams are trying to trade into the top four to select Beal, according to multiple sources.
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What I read: Oh what will we do when someone selects Beal ahead of us, I guess we will conveniently take this other guy that you didn't take.
 
I know Hollinger's system is far from perfect but I am definitely concerned by it's implications. It's not so concerning that Lillard isn't in the top 6 or top 10; but that he is way down there at #27 in the rankings this year. I went through MM's previous Hollinger rankings and there were very few good players who were ranked lower than 26. Jeremy Linn, Ekpe Udoh, Avery Bradley and Chase Budinger were the best I could find. And all of those were actually projected to have higher PER's than Lillard's dismal under 10.
 
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