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Surprises and disappointments

Surprises

Soup Juggler 4th
Drummond 5th
Quincy Miller 6th
Terrence Jones 8th
Royce White 10th

Beal 11th
Barnes 12th
Lillard 18th

Hates the white American centers

Has Sullinger rated ahead of Robinson in best bigs, but Robinson rated ahead of Sullinger in overall
 
RR7 said:
Bigs: The Best
Name College/Country Rating
Anthony Davis Kentucky 22.23
Jared Sullinger Ohio State 16.86
Thomas Robinson Kansas 15.20
Draymond Green Michigan State 14.84
Terrence Jones Kentucky 14.28
Royce White Iowa State 14.07
Furkan Aldemir Turkey 12.87
John Henson North Carolina 12.11
Andre Drummond Connecticut 12.05
Henry Sims Georgetown 10.38



Perimeter Players: The Best
Name College/Country Rating
Dion Waiters Syracuse 14.12
Kendall Marshall North Carolina 13.84
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Kentucky 13.58
Marquis Teague Kentucky 13.18
Quincy Miller Baylor 12.94
Tony Wroten Washington 12.21
Bradley Beal Florida 11.65
Kostas Sloukas Greece 11.51
Harrison Barnes North Carolina 11.11
Will Barton Memphis 10.90
Doron Lamb Kentucky 10.65
Jeremy Lamb Connecticut 10.50


Bigs: The Rest
Name College/Country Rating
Perry Jones III Baylor 8.77
Leon Radosevic Croatia 8.77
JaMychal Green Alabama 8.73
Drew Gordon New Mexico 8.39
Tyler Zeller North Carolina 8.23
Andrew Nicholson St. Bonaventure 8.22
Quincy Acy Baylor 8.16
Fab Melo Syracuse 7.73
Garrett Stutz Wichita State 7.68
Mike Scott Virginia 7.50
Robert Sacre Gonzaga 7.37
Cameron Moore UAB 7.03
Meyers Leonard Illinois 7.02
Mitchell Watt Buffalo 6.77
Festus Ezeli Vanderbilt 6.54
Arnett Moultrie Mississippi State 6.42


Perimeter Players: The Rest
Name College/Country Rating
Tyshawn Taylor Kansas 10.19
Austin Rivers Duke 9.85
Terrell Stoglin Maryland 9.82
Damian Lillard Weber State 9.75
Kostas Papanikolaou Greece 9.26
Terrence Ross Washington 9.12
Elias Harris Gonzaga 8.64
William Buford Ohio State 8.58
J'Covan Brown Texas 8.49
Jordan Taylor Wisconsin 8.19
Reggie Hamilton Oakland 8.18
Maalik Wayns Villanova 8.02
Hollis Thompson Georgetown 8.01
Tony Mitchell Alabama 7.91
Jae Crowder Marquette 7.90
Jared Cunningham Oregon State 7.76
John Jenkins Vanderbilt 7.76
Khris Middleton Texas A&M 7.68
Scott Machado Iona 7.57
Tornike Shengelia Republic of Georgia 7.33
Moe Harkless St. John's 7.15
Tu Holloway Xavier 7.14
Orlando Johnson UC Santa Barbara 7.11
Darius Miller Kentucky 6.65
Jeffery Taylor Vanderbilt 6.59


Knowing everything we know, here is how my board looks heading into draft day. This is taking into account everything from the Draft Rater as well as what we know about the players' red flags, defensive pluses and minuses and one or two subjective calls:

1. Anthony Davis
2. Thomas Robinson
3. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
4. Dion Waiters
5. Andre Drummond


6. Quincy Miller
7. Jared Sullinger
8. Terrence Jones
9. John Henson
10. Royce White


11. Bradley Beal
12. Harrison Barnes
13. Tony Wroten
14. Kendall Marshall
15. Marquis Teague


16. Draymond Green
17. Jeremy Lamb
18. Damian Lillard
19. Austin Rivers
20. Doron Lamb


21. Furkan Aldemir
22. Will Barton
23. Tyler Zeller
24. Evan Fournier
25. Tyshawn Taylor


26. Meyers Leonard
27. Terrence Ross
28. Perry Jones
29. Festus Ezeli
30. Fab Melo


31. Kostas Sloukas
32. Henry Sims
33. Terrell Stoglin
34. Kostas Papanikolaou
35. Moe Harkless


36. Leon Radosevic
37. JaMychal Green
38. Andrew Nicholson
39. Drew Gordon
40. Garrett Stutz


41. Robert Sacre
42. Arnett Moultrie
43. Elias Harris
44. William Buford
45. Jae Crowder


46. Jared Cunningham
47. Jordan Taylor
48. John Jenkins
49. Orlando Johnson
50. Jeffrey Taylor


51. Quincy Acy
52. Maalik Wayns
53. Tornike Shengelia
54. Scott Machado
55. Mike Scott


56. J'Covan Brown
57. Reggie Hamilton
58. Khris Middleton
59. Tony Mitchell
60. Miles Plumlee
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Big trouble headed your way, Mr.
 
Mediocre Man said:
To keep things in perspective, he had Faried ranked 29th last year. Babbitt ranked 7th the year before
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The big lesson is that these guys need time (maybe up to 4 years - look at LMA) before we declare their worth. Babbitt might improve enough to warrant a final ranking of 7th.

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BlazerCaravan said:
The big lesson is that these guys need time (maybe up to 4 years - look at LMA) before we declare their worth. Babbitt might improve enough to warrant a final ranking of 7th.

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He had Aldridge below Tyrus Thjomas, Roy, Gay, Brewer, Davis, Lowry, Rondo, Williams, O'Bryant
 
Mediocre Man said:
He had Aldridge below Tyrus Thjomas, Roy, Gay, Brewer, Davis, Lowry, Rondo, Williams, O'Bryant
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I was gonna ask in another thread if LMA was considered a big reach at #2. Now, he's perfectly placed at #2 just below Rondo, or #1 above Rondo... but both players took a few years to ripen.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Just what the numbers showed
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Gotcha.

I hold out hope for Babbitt and Nolan. Heck, we have a fistfull of players who are still in the tryout period. Nolan Smith (in the beginning still), Batum (nearing the end of his), Elliot Williams and Babbitt (in the middle), JJ Hickson even. There's just too many moving parts outside of their direct influence (coach, GM, playing style, older players giving up, Felton sucking, Crawford sucking, etc.) to give them anything other than an "In Progress" grade.
 
B-Edge:

Ford also writes that UConn center Andre Drummond is "in the mix" for the Blazers at No. 6 and that Portland is "very high" on Syracuse guard Dion Waiters.
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Tince, care to chime in?
 
Okay, can somebody post Hollinger's PAST "big boards" so that we can compare? I do know that he had Batum ranked incredibly low, and in general has trouble with international players.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Okay, can somebody post Hollinger's PAST "big boards" so that we can compare? I do know that he had Batum ranked incredibly low, and in general has trouble with international players.
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Can we do that without getting into trouble? I will do it and mods can delete if they need to
 
2011

1. Kyrie Irving
2. Derrick Williams
3. Tristan Thompson
4. Jonas Valanciunas
5. Kawhi Leonard
6. Enes Kanter
7. Kemba Walker
8. Tobias Harris
9. Alec Burks
10. Jordan Hamilton
11. Bismack Biyombo
12. Brandon Knight
13. Tyler Honeycutt
14. Jon Leuer
15. Nikola Vucevic
16. Chris Singleton
17. Jan Vesely
18. Klay Thompson
19. Norris Cole
20. Iman Shumpert
21. Nikola Mirotic
22. Jimmer Fredette
23. Donatas Motiejunas
24. Greg Smith
25. Marcus Morris
26. JaJuan Johnson
27. Markieff Morris
28. Davis Bertans
29. Kenneth Faried
30. Jeremy Tyler
31. Jordan Williams
32. Bojan Bogdanovic
33. Darius Morris
34. Giorgi Shermadini
35. Reggie Jackson
36. Rick Jackson
37. Brad Wanamaker
38. Damian Saunders
39. Nolan Smith
40. Malcolm Thomas
41. Travis Leslie
42. Trey Thompkins
43. Malcolm Lee
44. Charles Jenkins
45. Cory Joseph
46. E'Twaun Moore
47. Josh Selby
48. Jacob Pullen
49. Justin Harper
50. Jimmy Butler
51. Matt Howard
52. Jamie Skeen
53. Jereme Richmond
54. Keith Benson
55. D.J. Kennedy
56. Marshon Brooks
57. Isaiah Thomas
58. Andrew Goudelouck
59. Lavoy Allen
60. Shelvin Mack
 
RR7 said:
[Numbers ranking Drummond as 15th]

Knowing everything we know, here is how my board looks heading into draft day. This is taking into account everything from the Draft Rater as well as what we know about the players' red flags, defensive pluses and minuses and one or two subjective calls:

5. Andre Drummond
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This despite the "red flags" on Drummond should, if anything, pull him DOWN the rankings.

In other words "ignore my numbers system, because even I know it's bullshit"
 
2010

1 DeMarcus Cousins Kentucky 16.14
2. Evan Turner Ohio State 14.79
3. John Wall Kentucky 14.68
4. Greg Monroe Georgetown 14.39
5. Derrick Favors Georgia Tech 13.98
6. Xavier Henry Kansas 13.52
7. Luke Babbitt Nevada 13.35
8. Al-Farouq Aminu Wake Forest 13.30
9. Wes Johnson Syracuse 13.03
10. Greivis Vasquez Maryland 12.97
11. Sylven Landesberg Virginia 12.52
12. Omar Samhan Saint Mary's 12.47
13. Damion James Texas 12.44
14. Daniel Orton Kentucky 12.15
15. James Anderson Oklahoma State 11.98
16. Paul George Fresno State 11.87
17. Gordon Hayward Butler 11.87
18. Manny Harris Michigan 11.80
19. Jeff Foote Cornell 11.71
20. Darington Hobson New Mexico 11.69
21. Eric Bledsoe Kentucky 11.66
22. Marqus Blakely Vermont 11.58
23. Luke Harangody Notre Dame 11.37
24. Jordan Crawford Xavier 11.32
25. Da'Sean Butler West Virginia 11.26
26. Jon Scheyer Duke 11.20
27. Devin Ebanks West Virginia 11.16
28. Tiny Gallon Oklahoma 11.13
29. Quincy Pondexter Washington 11.08
30. Larry Sanders VCU 11.07
31. Armon Johnson Nevada 10.98
32. Brian Zoubek Duke 10.96
33. Aubrey Coleman Houston 10.91
34. Jeremy Lin Harvard 10.87
35. Mikhail Torrance Alabama 10.84
36 Cole Aldrich Kansas 10.83
37 Patrick Patterson Kentucky 10.79
40 Willie Warren Oklahoma 10.71
45 Avery Bradley Texas 10.42
50 Ekpe Udoh Baylor 10.03
54 Ed Davis North Carolina 9.88
60 Terrico White Mississippi 9.68
62 Hassan Whiteside Marshall 9.65
65 Craig Brackins Iowa State 9.56
68 Solomon Alabi Florida State 9.52
 
Drummond just doesn't have the personality of a star. He's a HUGE risk. I don't think we should gamble with him. I'd probably take Barnes over him.
 
2009

1. Ty Lawson North Carolina 16.34
2. Blake Griffin Oklahoma 16.21
3. Tyreke Evans Memphis 15.02
4. Austin Daye Gonzaga 14.24
5. Stephen Curry Davidson 14.18
6. Nick Calathes Florida 13.66
7. DeJuan Blair Pittsburgh 13.56
8. Danny Green North Carolina 13.28
9. Jonny Flynn Syracuse 12.99
10. James Harden Arizona State 12.97
11. Hasheem Thabeet Connecticut 12.90
12. Earl Clark Louisville 12.88
13. Jrue Holiday UCLA 12.73
14. Jeff Teague Wake Forest 12.50
15. Gerald Henderson Duke 12.17
16. Paul Delaney UAB 11.85
17. Aaron Jackson Duquesne 11.83
18. Darren Collison UCLA 11.80
19. Terrence Williams Louisville 11.80
20. Leo Lyons Missouri 11.53
21. Eric Maynor VCU 11.35
22. John Bryant Santa Clara 11.30
23. DeMarre Carroll Missouri 11.18
24. Tyler Hansbrough North Carolina 11.11
25. Wayne Ellington North Carolina 11.04
26. Jordan Hill Arizona 10.97
28. B.J. Mullens Ohio State 10.81
30. James Johnson Wake Forest 10.63
31. Chase Budinger Arizona 10.51
45. Derrick Brown Xavier 9.55
48. DaJuan Summers Georgetown 9.38
51. Jodie Meeks Kentucky 9.35
52. Sam Young Pitt 9.34
54. DeMar DeRozan USC 9.26
62. Toney Douglas Florida State 8.56
68. Patrick Mills Saint Mary's 8.36
83. Jack McClinton Miami 6.64
 
2008


Michael Beasley 19.19 Kansas State
Kevin Love 17.80 UCLA
Darrell Arthur 15.82 Kansas
Marreese Speights 15.02 Florida
D.J. Augustin 14.88 Texas
Derrick Rose 14.69 Memphis
Joe Alexander 14.58 West Virginia
Brook Lopez 14.21 Stanford
Mario Chalmers 14.03 Kansas
Jerryd Bayless 14.03 Arizona
Roy Hibbert 14.02 Georgetown
Kosta Koufos 13.32 Ohio State
Donte Greene 13.17 Syracuse
Darnell Jackson 13.17 Kansas
DeAndre Jordan 13.17 Texas A&M
 
MickZagger said:
Drummond just doesn't have the personality of a star. He's a HUGE risk. I don't think we should gamble with him. I'd probably take Barnes over him.
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I'm guessing we won't be making a choice between the two.
 
I was wondering about Marquis Teague anyway, before I saw his gaudy rating above (although not gaudy enough to bump him above 15 on his board). Usually I'm not a fan of PGs who aren't really PGs, but the trend in the NBA has been to make jet-quick guards useful anyway - see Avery Bradley and Eric Bledsoe. Also Teague's brother. Anyone care to comment? Does he play defense? Did he help Memphis [edit: duh, Kentucky] win the title or was it more or less in spite of him? I hate Calipari, but he's certainly had a slew of top PGs go through his programs, and Teague is the only
 
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Thanks for listing those past lists, MM. Interesting. Is it just a random number generator?
 
Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider
Just filed to ESPN: Sources: Jared Sullinger medically red-flagged by some NBA doctors for back issues
 
RR7 said:
Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider
Just filed to ESPN: Sources: Jared Sullinger medically red-flagged by some NBA doctors for back issues
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That's going to drop him.

Could he have a Dejuan Blair-like fall?
 
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