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Measured out at the combine at 6' 3.75", 6' 5" in shoes.

His point, though (I think) is that although Wade and Harden are under 6'5", they're freaks of nature, exceptions to what is necessary to succeed at SG. Shorter SG's like Marcus Thornton or Monta Ellis can't make it in the NBA.


Draft express has his height at 6' 3.5" in shoes? What combine numbers are you looking at? I'd like to see them
 
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Wade measured taller barefoot than Beal is listed with shoes on so you know.

I'm not trusting any measurements out there until the combine. Ive seen Beal measured at 6'4.75 in high school. All I know is he doesn't look short enough to not play sg in the pros.
 
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Curious how people here would rank the players...IMO the top 2 players are set...

1) A.Davis
2) T.Robinson

after that, I think it really depends on what team is at #3.....

M.Kidd-Gilchrist
A.Drummond
B.Beal

those are likely the next 3 picks....

After that, is a slew of players, most likely POR would be picking 2 out of that group....

J.Sullinger
H.Barnes
J.McAdoo (if he declares)
J.Lamb
D.Lilliard
T.Zeller
P.Jones
K.Marshall
J.Henson
T.Jones
M.Leonard
A.Rivers

Doubtful POR gets a MKG, T-Rob, Drummond or Beal, though if they slipped of NJ pick fell just right (top 4-5 w\o moving to top 3), then there is a chance POR could get one of them, but IMO chances are slim. So POR is probably looking at 2 of the guys on the list above...Maybe they reach for a guy on the list below (like Wroten or Teague)

After that you have a group of guys who could sneak in back of lotto, but most likely are mid-late 1st rounders....

T.Wroten
R.White
A.Moultrie
M.Harkless
T.Ross
M.Teague
D.Lamb
Q.Miller
T.Mitchell
W.Barton
J.Withey
F.Melo
J.Crowder
D.Waiters
J.Taylor
T.Taylor
E.Fournier
 
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Draft express has his height at 6' 3.5" in shoes? What combine numbers are you looking at? I'd like to see them

I was responding to B-Roy, talking about Wade, not Beal.
 
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Curious how people here would rank the players...IMO the top 2 players are set...

1) A.Davis
2) T.Robinson

after that, I think it really depends on what team is at #3.....

M.Kidd-Gilchrist
A.Drummond
B.Beal

those are likely the next 3 picks....

I don't think Robinson is at all a clear cut #2--I think MKG and Drummond are just as likely to go at that spot. Beal's an interesting case, IMO. I don't think he has a shot to go #2, but I won't be surprised if he goes ahead of one of the three guys who might.

Anyway, I think you're right about the top 5, although if Cody Zeller (whom you omitted) declares, he's got a shot to sneak up in there too.
 
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I'm not trusting any measurements out there until the combine. Ive seen Beal measured at 6'4.75 in high school. All I know is he doesn't look short enough to not play sg in the pros.

Where was that from?
 
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Where was that from?
Was in a high school combine. Don't want to bother looking for it right now, and plus I don't 100% believe it. Just shows measurements aren't all accurate.
 
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Based on that list, I like Jeremy Lamb a lot, good scores, good size for SG...

T.Zeller is a solid and underrated center...he looked good in tournament (so did Withey IMO)....Not sure he will be anything great, but serviceable starter is very likely....

Likely going forward POR has Aldridge at PF, Batum at SF, both solid....SG has Matthews and E-Will both quyestion marks as starters....PG, really nobody, though I think POR may look to address that in FA (D.Williams, Nash?, Dragic? Brooks?), hard to think a rookie PG would be counted on as a team looking to "rebuild on the fly" and get back to playoffs next year....PF has potentially Hickson, Freeland, Babbitt? as a b\u, nothing that screams they couldn't use another player there...center is a mess...Maybe Przybilla? Maybe you move Aldridge there, though he has stated he doesn't prefer that....Again, some FA options there as well, though nothing outstanding and likely costing more than they are worth....

IF BOS wanted to trade Rondo for a top 8 pick, I think you do it.....I don't think they will....Not sure there are any other PG out there that would be worth it, that would be available...

Based on all that and that POR holds onto both picks AND more importantly who thier "realistic" targets are in FA...then they will certainly go big with one pick...preferably a banger\shot blocker....Sullinger, Zeller, Henson make sense, none of them thrill me, and given that I would say that POR would look that route with thier 2nd lotto pick...meaning Sullinger would likely be gone...A guy like Zeller or Henson, maybe Leonard (I know nothing about him)...and if those 3 are gone then who knows? PG or BPA?.

If they keep the NJ pick and it is in the top 8, then they go BPA, and to me that is a guy like J.Lamb, H.Barnes, J.McAdoo...maybe a guy like Lillard rates that high? Certainly would fill PH hole....Lamb can play SG and would be a nice athletic fit next to Batum at SF...Barnes is kind of being undervalued IMO, he struggled but has a lot of talent...

P.Jones is an enigma and his best case scenario reminds me of what LA has become, no guarantee he does that (I think LA was a better prospect\player). I see T.Jones as a PF in the NBA, and POR would likely have Hickson and\or Freeland already backing up\playing alongside Aldridge, not sure they need to go there (even if they let Hickson go). I don't know a lot about McAdoo, only saw him briefly, but scouts really like him.....

Hopefully Beal drops, b\c that would be a great pickup for POR to take over that SG spot, I think Lamb could surprise there as well and would be my 2nd option...
 
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T.Zeller is a solid and underrated center...he looked good in tournament (so did Withey IMO)....Not sure he will be anything great, but serviceable starter is very likely....

I don't see T. Zeller doing much in the NBA. Those post moves that worked at Duke don't look like NBA moves to me, he'll be very weak relative to other PF/Cs, not to mention lacking athleticism. Any C with scoring ability would murder him down low. Prospects need to have some real NBA level skills and I don't think any aspect of Zeller's game will be above average in the NBA.

Withey on the other hand has a specialized skill that could translate in his shotblocking. He looked noticeably bigger than Anthony Davis so I'd say he's at least 6'11, probably 7'0. Great timing and it seems like he has good length. Needs to put on more weight but I could see him developing into a solid backup C or possibly fringe starter. Maybe a Chris Mihm type. That doesn't sound very sexy but who wouldn't take that from a late 1st or second round pick (if he comes out this season)? He could be a huge bust too, but like I said if I'm taking a flier on a guy with a late pick I'll take a 7'0 shotblocker and be glad if he turns into Robin Lopez.
 
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I say no lottery picks on white centers
 
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Thanks Blaze! Great Breakdowns, repped.

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I don't watch college basketball much at all, but based on descriptions of their games (and their comparative height and weight) would Andrei Kirilenko be a good comparison for Anthony Davis?

Both tall enough for PF, but a bit too skinny, both ridiculously versatile and capable of five-by-fives...
 
I don't watch college basketball much at all, but based on descriptions of their games (and their comparative height and weight) would Andrei Kirilenko be a good comparison for Anthony Davis?

Both tall enough for PF, but a bit too skinny, both ridiculously versatile and capable of five-by-fives...

You could make a decent argument for it since both can do everything on the floor but anthony is a game changing defender like kg and as good as ak was when healthy he couldnt effect the game the same way defensively that anthony davis is projected to be able to.

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Hopefully Beal drops, b\c that would be a great pickup for POR to take over that SG spot, I think Lamb could surprise there as well and would be my 2nd option...

I'd love to see wither Beal or Lamb slip to our first pick. Failing that, look to deal the pick for an established guard.
 
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Ummmm, 6'4" is not that small for a SG.
 
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I say no lottery picks on white centers

Unless he's a can't miss like Bogut I agree (now).

I learned my lesson from Cole Aldrich, who I thought was going to make an immediate impact. He was dominant in college.
 
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Ummmm, 6'4" is not that small for a SG.

Really? I know it's not tiny, but how many SG's under 6'4" are there that would be worth a lottery pick in the league? Wade is taller, I can think of Gordon maybe?
 
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Those post moves that worked at Duke don't look like NBA moves to me, he'll be very weak relative to other PF/Cs, not to mention lacking athleticism

Zeller played for NC and not Duke...He certainly had a more refined offensive game than Jeff Withey at Kansas did...He is more of an offensive than defensive player (Withey being the opposite).... Nither of them (or M.Leonard or J.Henson) excite me....

Withey on the other hand has a specialized skill that could translate in his shotblocking.

I agree, he is a better defensive player, but a weaker offensive player...as a late first round pick he would be a good pickup....and he is a junior and he might not declare...

I'd love to see wither Beal or Lamb slip to our first pick. Failing that, look to deal the pick for an established guard.

I agree with that...Barnes intriugues me as well, I think he will be a better pro than college player...
 
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During the 2000 Olympics Ray Allen measured 6'3.5" (w/o shoes) FWIW.
 
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Still need someone to sell me on a prospect

Not that excited about the picks. I say trade them.
 
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Really? I know it's not tiny, but how many SG's under 6'4" are there that would be worth a lottery pick in the league? Wade is taller, I can think of Gordon maybe?

Gordon, Wade is 6'4", Harden, Monta Ellis, Allen...

Lets wait until the measurements come out, I think Beal will measure 6'4" without shoes. Beal is a strong, lights out shooter with great defense. He's the best SG in this draft IMO.
 
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Still need someone to sell me on a prospect

Not that excited about the picks. I say trade them.

Nobody needs to sell you on shit, make up a decision on your own, are you incapable?
 
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Still need someone to sell me on a prospect

Not that excited about the picks. I say trade them.

Outside of Davis, Beal is the one that intrigues me, but only if he measures to 6'5" or taller. Of course, getting Beal would mean that the ball would need to be in his hands, and then we yet again would get to listen to the experts bemoan the boring offense while the team is winning 50 games a season.
 
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Still need someone to sell me on a prospect

Not that excited about the picks. I say trade them.

Drummond has similar size and athletic ability as a pre-injury Oden. He just needs a lot of development, very raw. As inconsistent as he was at UCONN he still a virtual lock to go #2.
 
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Unless a miracle happens POR will not get A.Davis, MKG or T.Robinson......

So then you have to look at the rest of the players and out of that group who you like more\think has most potential....

Both Beal and J.Lamb are SG, and good shooters with good NBA size\measureables.... I like either one of them as a choice with the NJ pick for POR.....

Out of the rest it is a real mixed bag....I think Harrison Barnes certainly has a good chance to better pro than college player and is getting a little overlooked....

Sullinger has some intrigue as well, he is more of a below the bucket player, more of a banger, he could potentially compliment Aldridge real well, you woud have to take him in the top 8 likely though....

I don't know enough about McAdoo, but if he declares (same goes for Cody Zeller, who I don't think will) he could certainly be an option as well....

P.Jones is just too boom\bust I think to risk it on

Is Lillard THAT good to take at #5-8? I just don't know....Particularly if POR is going to go after a PG in FA....

I look at POR and think they have 2 big holes...PG & C, that they need to fill and 1 position...SG...that they could use an upgrade...

The team is going to fill one of those 2 glaring needs (PG\C) in Free Agency...So I think it likely they would look to fill the other via the draft, and this draft is rich in big men...more PF than C, but still there are a lot of options to choose from...and the value is MUCH better than going after a FA big man....If you are going to overspend, better on a PG than on a mediocre center IMO....

More that I think about it Sullinger could be an intriguing pick...I'd rather see them get a Beal or Lamb with NJ pick and then address a big or just go BPA with #9-13 pick....

POR could get lucky and get Sullinger with NJ pick (#5-8) and then Lamb with thier own pick (#9-12)...That might be close to ideal IMO....Probably let Hickson go to max capspace to make a run at Deron Williams or Steve Nash as a b\u option...bring Freeland over as a backup big off then bench...even better get D-Will and keep Hickson (and bring Freeland over)
 
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Beal is the one that intrigues me, but only if he measures to 6'5" or taller

I doubt he will, but it's all about his athletic tests IMHO. If he's under 6'5" but can leap like a mutha, who cares?
 
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Gordon, Wade is 6'4", Harden, Monta Ellis, Allen...

Lets wait until the measurements come out, I think Beal will measure 6'4" without shoes. Beal is a strong, lights out shooter with great defense. He's the best SG in this draft IMO.


Draft express has him at 6' 3.5" with shoes right now. Which puts him at 6' 3" or so w/o shoes. Unless he has grown of course

Allen is 6'5" without shoes
Gordon is 6' 2" w/o shoes (tiny)
Ellis 6' 2.25" w/o shoes
Wade 6' 3 2.5" w/o shoes
Hardin 6' 4" w/o shoes

So ya, he is right in there I guess
 

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