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History of the #6 Pick.........



Number 6

Year Player School/Country – Team

2011 Jan Vesely, Czech Republic – Washington Wizards
2010 Ekpe Udoh, Baylor – Golden State Warriors

2000’s

2009 Johnny Flynn, Syracuse – Minnesota Timberwolves
2008 Danilo Gallinari, Italy – New York Knicks
2007 Yi Jianlian, China – Milwaukee Bucks
2006 Brandon Roy, Washington – Minnesota Timberwolves (Draft rights traded to Portland Trail Blazers)
2005 Martell Webster, Seattle Prep HS – Portland Trail Blazers
2004 Josh Childress, Stanford – Atlanta Hawks
2003 Chris Kaman, Central Michigan – L.A. Clippers
2002 Dajuan Wagner, Memphis – Cleveland Cavaliers
2001 Shane Battier, Duke – Memphis Grizzlies
2000 DerMarr Johnson, Cincinnati – Atlanta Hawks

1990’s

1999 Wally Szczerbiak, Miami (Ohio) – Minnesota Timberwolves
1998 Robert Traylor, Michigan – Dallas Mavericks (Draft rights traded to Milwaukee Bucks)
1997 Ron Mercer, Kentucky – Boston Celtics
1996 Antoine Walker, Kentucky – Boston Celtics
1995 Bryant Reeves, Oklahoma State – Vancouver Grizzlies
1994 Sharone Wright, Clemson – Philadelphia 76ers
1993 Calbert Cheaney, Indiana – Washington Wizards
1992 Tom Gugliotta, North Carolina State – Washington Bullets
1991 Doug Smith, Missouri – Dallas Mavericks
1990 Felton Spencer, Louisville – Minnesota Timberwolves
 
History of the #11 pick.........




Number 11

Year Player School/Country – Team

2011 Klay Thompson, Washington State – Golden State Warriors
2010 Cole Aldrich, Kansas – New Orleans Hornets (Draft rights traded to OKC Thunder)

2000’s

2009 Terrence Williams, Louisville – New Jersey Nets
2008 Jerryd Bayless, Arizona – Indiana Pacers
2007 Acie Law IV, Texas A&M – Atlanta Hawks
2006 J.J. Redick, Duke – Orlando Magic
2005 Fran Vazquez, Spain – Orlando Magic
2004 Andris Biedrins, BK Skonto Riga (Latvia) – Golden State Warriors
2003 Mickael Pietrus, France – Golden State Warriors
2002 Jared Jeffries, Indiana – Washington Wizards
2001 Kedrick Brown, Okaloosa-Walton CC (Fla.) – Boston Celtics
2000 Jerome Moiso, UCLA – Boston Celtics

1990’s

1999 Trajan Langdon, Duke – Cleveland Cavaliers
1998 Bonzi Wells, Ball State – Detroit Pistons
1997 Olivier Saint-Jean, San Jose State – Sacramento Kings
1996 Todd Fuller, North Carolina State – Golden State Warriors
1995 Gary Trent, Ohio – Milwaukee Bucks (Draft rights traded to Portland Trail Blazers)
1994 Carlos Rogers, Tennessee State – Seattle Supersonics
1993 Allan Houston, Tennessee – Detroit Pistons
1992 Robert Horry, Alabama – Houston Rockets
1991 Terrell Brandon, Oregon – Cleveland Cavaliers
1990 Tyrone Hill, Xavier – Golden State Warriors
 
The history of both the #6 and #11 look pretty bad.

Either way the team will lose. They will trade for immediate help (Iggy, Rondo etc.) or they will stick with the picks and whiff on them and people on the board will complain about how stupid management because they should have done whichever one they didn't so we all end up losing.
 
History of the #40th pick...........


Number 40

Year Player School/Country – Team

2011 Jon Leuer, University of Wisconsin – Milwaukee Bucks
2010 Lance Stephenson, University of Cincinnati – Indiana Pacers

2000’s

2009 Derrick Brown, Xavier University – Charlotte Bobcats
2008 Chris Douglas-Roberts, University of Memphis – New Jersey Nets
2007 Sun Yue, China – L.A. Lakers
2006 Denham Brown, University of Connecticut – Seattle Supersonics
2005 Monta Ellis, Lanier H.S. (MS) – Golden State Warriors
2004 Justin Reed, University of Mississippi – Boston Celtics
2003 Derrick Zimmerman, Mississippi State University – Golden State Warriors
2002 Juan Carlos Navarro, Spain – Washington Wizards
2001 Jamison Brewer, Auburn University – Indiana Pacers
2000 Hanno Mottola, University of Utah – Atlanta Hawks

1990’s

1999 Gordan Giricek, Croatia – Dallas Mavericks
1998 Korleone Young, Hargrave Military Academy VA – Detroit Pistons
1997 Eddie Elisma, Georgia Institute of Technology – Seattle Supersonics
1996 Marcus Mann, Mississippi Valley State University – Golden State Warriors
1995 Dwayne Whitfield, Jackson State University – Golden State Warriors
1994 Jeff Webster, University of Oklahoma – Miami HEAT
1993 Rich Manning, University of Washington – Atlanta Hawks
1992 Steve Rogers, Alabama State University – New Jersey Nets
1991 Doug Overton, La Salle University – Detroit Pistons
1990 Bimbo Coles, Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University – Sacramento Kings
 
It's funny that Monta was taken at #40 and he arguably could be considered better than anyone at #11 and probably is top 3 at #6 for the past 20 years
 
History of the #41st Pick..........



Number 41

Year Player School/Country – Team

2011 Darius Morris, University of Michigan – L.A. Lakers
2010 Jarvis Varnado, Mississippi State University – Miami HEAT

2000’s

2009 Jodie Meeks, University of Kentucky – Milwaukee Bucks
2008 Nathan Jawai, Australia – Indiana Pacers
2007 Chris Richard, University of Florida – Minnesota Timberwolves
2006 James Augustine, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign – Orlando Magic
2005 Roko Ukic, Croatia – Toronto Raptors
2004 David Young, North Carolina Central University – Seattle Supersonics
2003 Willie Green, University of Detroit Mercy – Seattle Supersonics
2002 Mario Kasun, Croatia – L.A. Clippers
2001 Bobby Simmons, DePaul University – Seattle Supersonics
2000 Chris Carrawell, Duke University – San Antonio Spurs

1990’s

1999 Francisco Elson, University of California – Denver Nuggets
1998 Cuttino Mobley, University of Rhode Island – Houston Rockets
1997 Jason Lawson, Villanova University – Denver Nuggets
1996 Jason Sasser, Texas Tech University – Sacramento Kings
1995 Erik Meek, Duke University – Houston Rockets
1994 William Njoku, Canada – Indiana Pacers
1993 Anthony Reed, Tulane University – Chicago Bulls
1992 Popeye Jones, Murray State University – Houston Rockets
1991 Sean Green, Iona College – Indiana Pacers
1990 Steve Bardo, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign – Atlanta Hawks
 
I wonder what Monta didn't prove in workouts or how 30 teams passed on him? Other then he was fresh out of HS.
 
HCP said:
1-be careful with highlight reels like this..... I made one for Joel once that made him look like a white Dwight Howard.
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Too bad it didn't take. We could've gotten some mileage out of White Howard jokes.
 
HCP said:
I wonder what Monta didn't prove in workouts or how 30 teams passed on him? Other then he was fresh out of HS.
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I believe he had major knee injuries during his HS career which was the main reason he slipped so far. I've read that many scouts would not go to his HS to see him play as well because his neighborhood is so rough, but Chris Mullin (Warriors GM at the time) went himself and was impressed. Also that year Monta tested as the 2nd worst "overall athlete" at the combine (first worst was some big man IIRC), largely because he couldn't do any bench reps but his agent also later suggested that he was hung over. So that tells you a lot about how those rankings can be misleading.

Outside of that, I'm sure many scouts acknowledged that he's a pure SG in a PG's body. Looking back at his rookie year, his left hand has improved by leaps and bounds, hes added the 3 point shot, and hes put on a lot of muscle. He doesn't seem like the brightest spoon in the shed either which likely didn't help his stock. His talent was apparent but I reckon most GMs weren't going to take a gamble on a tweener HS kid who's already blown a knee with their first round pick.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Couple comments about Perry Jones.

First, he is an orphan who is raising his little sister.

Second, he is considered a well above average student (at least for a jock).

Does that sound like a "lazy" kid? He may need a coach who will push him to be more assertive - but I doubt anything is wrong with his motor/work ethic.
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I read a long article on his background from ESPN the other day and it claims that his family fell on very hard times but he wasn't an orphan. His family was homeless at times and very poor and yes he seems like a great guy and a good student.

But that doesn't make him a competitor and it doesn't mean he loves basketball. Plenty of good guys with troubled pasts have been busts. From what I see on the court, he either does not care to play defense at all or hes too pouty or soft to man up and play the post to the maximum of his capabilities. If you're not competitive enough to give 100% effort to win then I have a hard time believing you'll succeed in the NBA (some big 7'0 Cs can get away with it but there's too much talent at the perimeter spots).
 
The biggest risk in the top-5 is Andre Drummond --

Anyone else concerned that his TS% is barely 50%?
 
You forget how dominant some of these scrubs were in college!
 
I really believe that a lot of individual players' success comes from how they fit with their teammates, coach, and organization. It's got to be hard to judge that. If I was running things I would want to have most of the players on the team there, playing with the prospects.
 
After watching all these playoff games; I'm reminded that in today's NBA you really need a PG who can score. So I think Kendall Marshall would be a mistake; not to even mention he doesn't have the athleticism to ever be a good defender. Even Rondo is hurting his team sometimes by his lack of scoring ability; a good coach like Collins exposed it a little bit more. Portland doesn't have three great scorers, they need scorers.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
After watching all these playoff games; I'm reminded that in today's NBA you really need a PG who can score.
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Not exactly true. You need a primary ball handler that can score in a variety of ways. Guys like Kobe, Wade, Le Bron, Harden are all perfectly capable of leading a team the same way Rose does. Of course, if you draft a guy like Marshall, you're doing it to make him the primary ball handler, so you're right that it's a flawed approach.
 
SecretAgentMan said:
I really believe that a lot of individual players' success comes from how they fit with their teammates, coach, and organization. It's got to be hard to judge that. If I was running things I would want to have most of the players on the team there, playing with the prospects.
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That's unrealistic, but I do think a lot of these guys' success hinges on where they land. The problem is that these top prospects land on crappy teams with no winning culture. Coaches on these teams are often flat out just not good and frequently have their jobs on the line which causes them to make decisions which aren't in the best interest of prospects. Usually the rosters of these teams don't have a lot of quality veterans who can set an example as well as provide quality competition in practice.

Its a lot easier to find a good system fit when you have a stable system in place. That typically means stability at head coach and already having stars in place. If your team is in transition or rebuild mode you have to rank BPA above all and build around talented players.

Not exactly true. You need a primary ball handler that can score in a variety of ways. Guys like Kobe, Wade, Le Bron, Harden are all perfectly capable of leading a team the same way Rose does. Of course, if you draft a guy like Marshall, you're doing it to make him the primary ball handler, so you're right that it's a flawed approach.
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Pretty much agree. People get uber hyped on "pure PGs" but I don't see much proof that their teams are actually more successful than teams without pure PGs. Nash and CP3's teams aren't any more successful than Tony Parker's, Chauncey Billups', Derrick Rose's, or Russell Westbrook's. Kidd finally got a ring, but he did it as a role player. Rondo has one too but he also had great talent who could also create for themselves.

Its not bad to have a pure PG but usually the best teams are built around guys who are unstoppable scorers who will also make the right pass. Teams like Kidd's Nets or Nash's Suns who have one creator and a bunch of finishers who can't create that well will struggle against great defenses in long playoff series. The great defenses will make the non-creators try to create and make the unselfish PGs take lots of shots. I don't think there's any one model for winning a championship, but the most important thing from a PG is low turnovers. Anyone who makes their teammates better is great, but ultimately you need that elite scoring threat who will command double teams, but will also make the right pass. Typically its a non-PG, in which case getting a scoring threat who doesn't turn the ball over like Parker or Billups will do just fine.
 
And even Nash and Paul are terrific scorers when they feel it's needed; the fact that teams know they can score allows them to have more opportunities to make passes that lead to scoring.
 
Zeller v Leonard (+ 4 other scrubs) in the first workout in POR tomorrow, according to Freeman.
 
Sorry, should of just put it in this thread.

TRAIL BLAZERS PRE-DRAFT WORKOUT SCHEDULE - TUESDAY, MAY 29

WHAT
The Trail Blazers' schedule of pre-draft workouts for Tuesday, May 29. The 2012 NBA Draft will take place on Thursday, June 28.

WHO
Kent Bazemore, Guard/Forward (Old Dominion), Kris Joseph, Forward (Syracuse), Meyers Leonard, Center (Illinois), Garrett Sim, Guard (Oregon), Casper Ware, Guard (Long Beach State), Tyler Zeller, Center (North Carolina).

WHEN
Workouts are scheduled to begin at 8 a.m., with media access for all players starting at approximately 9:30 a.m.

WHERE
Trail Blazers Practice Facility - 7325 SW Childs Road
 
I really like Lillard. The big question for me is whether he's a playmaker or not.
 
Run BJM said:
I read a long article on his background from ESPN the other day and it claims that his family fell on very hard times but he wasn't an orphan. His family was homeless at times and very poor and yes he seems like a great guy and a good student.

But that doesn't make him a competitor and it doesn't mean he loves basketball. Plenty of good guys with troubled pasts have been busts. From what I see on the court, he either does not care to play defense at all or hes too pouty or soft to man up and play the post to the maximum of his capabilities. If you're not competitive enough to give 100% effort to win then I have a hard time believing you'll succeed in the NBA (some big 7'0 Cs can get away with it but there's too much talent at the perimeter spots).
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Couldn't disagree more regarding Perry Jones....

Perry Jones has ELITE level talent...Elite level NBA talent....So the question is his motor....and the thing I look at is that there isn't any "red flags" regarding his lack of motor...ie work ethic, bball IQ, off court issues, hoops family, attitude etc....

Everything I have read\heard is the exact opposite...good teamate, unselfish (to a fault) , hard worker, good bball IQ, no off court issues or attitude problems AND he recognizes his weakness (ie floating in games)...With the right coaching staff, this is the kind of player who could blossom into an exceptional NBA player. LA had softness issues when he came out as well and he has made great strides to becoming a dominant NBA player, I see no reasons whay Perry Jones couldn't do the same...

Even worst case, you are looking at a guy who would be a key rotational player, a guy like Batum, who many here would gladly pay $11 million to keep on this team.....
 
I hate players who get all serious when they realize a paycheck is on the line. My opinion of him went down when I read this earlier
 
Then check this out son........


Andre Drummond has yet to demonstrate that he can excel within a team system.

"If you draft him two, three, whatever, you're putting yourself out there," said an executive of a team that is in the lottery. "The one thing he doesn't do is he doesn't know how to play. He doesn't know how to play with the other four guys on the court. He can't carve out space to rebound the ball. He just rebounds it at that level because he's bigger and stronger and more athletic than everybody else. But when he gets to our level ... he doesn't have that feel as of yet. Could he get it? I don't know."

Drummond shot 29.5 percent from the free throw line during his lone season at Connecticut.

"He's as bad a free throw shooter as college basketball has seen," a Western Conference scout said.

A Southeast Division executive claims Drummond received a bad rap because of the Huskies’ poor win-loss record.

"He got labeled with all those other kids as kind of a screwup, but I didn't see anything that would indicate he's a screwup," the executive said. "I wouldn't discount Drummond. You put him with a pretty good coach, I think he's a pretty good learner. The thing I found interesting is how intelligent he was, to the point of taking things apart and putting them together, like computers. Real inquisitive type. That's half the battle, having somebody with some smarts to them."

Via David Aldridge/NBA.com


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...rummond_Can_Mesh_With_Teammates#ixzz1wIO6PWD2
 
Tyler Zeller info...........


Tyler Zeller’s shooting and passing abilities remind one Western Conference scouting director of Spencer Hawes.

"This is a safe pick," the scouting director said. "You're not going to hit a home run, but you know you're at least going to get a single out of this deal. He'll make some elbow jumpers and he's got some low post moves. You've got an accomplished player. At the least, he should be no worse -- ever -- than Spencer Hawes, and probably better."

Zeller, a 7-foot, 250-pound center out of North Carolina, may not have the requisite strength to contribute right away.

"He seems to be a hard working kid, so you don't worry about that," an Eastern Conference VP said. "That'll happen naturally. He's 22. By the time he's 25 he'll be all right."

Via David Aldridge/NBA.com


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...aws_Comparison_To_Spencer_Hawes#ixzz1wIOH8H3r
 
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