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RR7 said:
Ok, sorry, wasn't sure because Blair could also fit into the smallish role player with pretty limited upside description of Crowder.
But yes, exactly, if you were agreeing. Go with supreme talent and an injury concern if it is the 2nd. There's no risk involved, IMO, with 2nd round picks. Why not see if the lotto talent is lotto talented, versus grabbing...Sam Young, basically.
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Oh ya, I couldn't agree with you more
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I don't know if I agree. There are some young guys out there that may not be a wasted pick but are still a year away. If Beal is gone at 6, and our options at 11 becomes Rivers, Waiters, or Ross, (who are all freshman/sophmore) then i still think it is a good investment in our future if we grabbed one of them. I would prefer Wes as a long term back up, but Elliot Williams still has an outside chance of winning the starting position.

Bottom line is the "end of next year" is too soon to judge. I like Rivers, but I think he needs a good year under his belt.
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My unqualified opinion: if we draft Ross, he will be starting by the end of the year. I may be dead wrong - but I like that kid.
 
crandc said:
A's win in the 9th on the road but are overshadowed by Giants perfect game. What's the big deal? A's already have 2 perfectos.
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I'm a die-hard baseball fan, and I didn't realize Oakland still had a Major League team. Good for them.

Go Giants.

Carry on.
 
A die hard baseball fan at least knows what teams are in the Major Leagues. Would you credit a supposed die hard NBA fan who didn't know Portland had a team?
 
crandc said:
A die hard baseball fan at least knows what teams are in the Major Leagues. Would you credit a supposed die hard NBA fan who didn't know Portland had a team?
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We have a team!?
 
crandc said:
A die hard baseball fan at least knows what teams are in the Major Leagues. Would you credit a supposed die hard NBA fan who didn't know Portland had a team?
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How could you, of anyone, not fire back with this?

Q: What do you get when you combine all 40 San Francisco Giants with 40 lesbians? A: Eighty people that dont do dick!
 
Draftexpress has the warriors taking Sullinger. I just don't buy it. I think Sullinger keeps falling until middle of the first round.
 
So Fez has now gone from Kendall Marshall and Beal to T-Rob to Dion Waiters? This has to be some sort of record for alternating man crushes...

I still think Quincy Miller is a great pick anywhere after the mid-20's. Obviously if he is there in the 2nd, it's a damn steal as there is nearly no risk involved, but I'd still take him with a late first. The main concerns about his knee seem to be that he just doesn't have it at 100% yet. A torn ACL these days is a lot less disconcerting than a shorter leg than the other (Sullinger) or something along those lines.

The guy is a lottery talent and would be drafted as such if he had stayed an extra year. If the cost to move back into the late-first, after we draft at 6 and 11, is only cash considerations and a future 2nd, I think you do it and take a flier on the kid.

Personally, I thik this draft has a ton of starter (and potential star) throughout the draft pool. However, once you hit the 20's range, the talent pool become divided into two tiers:

Tier 1: High Potential guys (Quincy Miller, Royce White) who have big question marks (Tweener, Injury Concern, etc.) If teams and these players can figure these things out I see a lot of late-first steals and potential contributors in the 2nd round.

Tier 2: Low-Potential/Ceiling but talented players. Here you've got Crowder and other players who seem to have hit their ceilings in college but can still turn into solid contributors.

Tier 1 Players are people you can trade back into the first and take a flier one. Something I think we really should look to do as we are in this "talent acquisition" phase. Tier 2 are mostly targets with our second-rounders.
 
GOD said:
Draftexpress has the warriors taking Sullinger. I just don't buy it. I think Sullinger keeps falling until middle of the first round.
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Sully may have the athleticism of a rock, but I still think he is going to be a pretty darn good post player in the NBA. I'd love to put him next to LA either as a potential starter or first big man off the bench that could swing to the 5 spot.

And to think he was thought to be the 1st pick in last year's draft...he should have never went back to OSU.
 
Blazer Freak said:
So Fez has now gone from Kendall Marshall and Beal to T-Rob to Dion Waiters? This has to be some sort of record for alternating man crushes...
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He's just trying to cover all his bases. Ya know, so in a couple years from now he can go back and be like, "see we shoulda drafted this player....This is why Fez knows more than the Olshey".
 
Blazer Freak said:
Sully may have the athleticism of a rock, but I still think he is going to be a pretty darn good post player in the NBA. I'd love to put him next to LA either as a potential starter or first big man off the bench that could swing to the 5 spot.
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I question his ability to get off his shot in the NBA, but have to admit he would be solid next to LMA. He is more the banger, but they could actually switch back and forth because of Sullinger's ability to hit the outside shot too. It could be a real matchup issue for other teams. For some reason when I see him I think more Sean May than Kevin Love.
 
I looked up some of the measurements from other solid low post players from the past. Sully actually has better vert numbers than Boozer and Milsap. Maybe he is just suffering by comparison to other athletes in this draft.
 
Reep said:
I looked up some of the measurements from other solid low post players from the past. Sully actually has better vert numbers than Boozer and Milsap. Maybe he is just suffering by comparison to other athletes in this draft.
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Forget his vertical for a second, his lane agility and speed tests are what make him so shaky athletically. He'll be able to score, but who will he guard?
 
Nikolokolus said:
Forget his vertical for a second, his lane agility and speed tests are what make him so shaky athletically. He'll be able to score, but who will he guard?
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Milsap and Boozer? ;-)

He would have to guard the bigger of the 4/5 on the other team. He isn't going to block a lot of shots, but should be able to hold his ground. I can see him struggling on popping out on PnR plays though. Certainly Drummond has more speed and length to do that, but then you also get his lack of shooting. None of the players here has it all. I assume we are talking about 11, not 6. Henson can switch and block shots, but will get pushed all over the place inside. Leonard is a big question mark. Jones and Jones both want to be 3s. Moultrie? Maybe, but he is more of a weak duplicate of LMA. You kind of have to pick your poison.
 
Blazer Freak said:
Sully may have the athleticism of a rock, but I still think he is going to be a pretty darn good post player in the NBA. I'd love to put him next to LA either as a potential starter or first big man off the bench that could swing to the 5 spot.

And to think he was thought to be the 1st pick in last year's draft...he should have never went back to OSU.
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If we go by best player available, Drummond and Sullinger could very well be our picks.........

Would I want that to happen? No but you have to admit that would make for a solid trio for a few years. Well at least until they got hurt.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Forget his vertical for a second, his lane agility and speed tests are what make him so shaky athletically. He'll be able to score, but who will he guard?
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He'll have to go to Chuck Hayes' big man defensive footwork camps.
 
Nicholson's got outstanding fundamentals a smooth jumper and is long. He started playing basketball late in high school, so that tells me the game just comes natural to him and there's room to improve.

He was a physics major at St. Bonnie so he's an intelligent guy. Probably very coachable.

I'm sold on him. Some team is going to very happy.
 
MickZagger said:
Nicholson's got outstanding fundamentals a smooth jumper and is long. He started playing basketball late in high school, so that tells me the game just comes natural to him and there's room to improve.

He was a physics major at St. Bonnie so he's an intelligent guy. Probably very coachable.

I'm sold on him. Some team is going to very happy.
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That late in the draft I'd have a hard time choosing between Nicholson or Crowder.

Both have excellent advanced stats.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
That late in the draft I'd have a hard time choosing between Nicholson or Crowder.

Both have excellent advanced stats.
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Then you go with the guy who's 5" taller and has more upside!!!

Nicholson will be gone way before Crowder.
 
The only person riding Nicholson's jock on this while board has been Zags! The last time he sweated somebody this hard was The Stache! Hopefully you redeem yourself.
 
HCP said:
The only person riding Nicholson's jock on this while board has been Zags! The last time he sweated somebody this hard was The Stache! Hopefully you redeem yourself.
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That was 8 years ago. I've had plenty of man crushes since then.
 
MickZagger said:
He's just trying to cover all his bases. Ya know, so in a couple years from now he can go back and be like, "see we shoulda drafted this player....This is why Fez knows more than the Olshey".
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