2013 Official NBA Off-season Movement & Rumors (Merged threads)

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D'Antoni's hiring had Kobe/Nash written all over it. Imagine had Buss swallowed his pride and paid Phil Jackson to come back. No way Howard leaves that situation, and Phil wouldn't allow Kobe to revert back to old Kobe, which is what happened, and dominate the locker room.

Have to disagree with you there. Mitch came out and said that the hiring of MDA had Nash in mind. It was more of a Jim Buss/Nash thing than anything else, IMO. I don't see Kobe written all over the MDA hiring. Kobe supported it once it was announced, yeah, but it screams it was a Nash move.
 
Yup. RT @ESPNNBA On @SportsCenter, @Chris_Broussard reports Dwight Howard has had change of heart, is now 50-50 on decision to leave Lakers

End this drama already, Jesus.
 
If Dwight Howard goes back to the Lakers, it's going to be like the last scene of The Graduate.
 
You know what would win respect for the Lakers back? If they yanked their offer away, like Sacto did with Iguodala.

"Oh, you want to come crawling back? Well FUCK YOU!"

I'd have to respect that.
 
Yup. RT @ESPNNBA On @SportsCenter, @Chris_Broussard reports Dwight Howard has had change of heart, is now 50-50 on decision to leave Lakers

End this drama already, Jesus.

I fucking love it! Please god sign Dwight to the lakers!!!!
 
Its not even that he wants to be a Laker, he's having issues walking away from $30 million.
 
Well after the Utah dump (lol at this name for the trade) we don't have much flexibility as far as moving future picks, and got rid of all of our expirings except Bogut. Sending Lee to PDX doesn't really make sense for you guys- so you can calm the fuck down Mags- but I think the front office will continue to explore dumping Lee for any kind of assets that they could sweeten the pot with. I don't think his trade value is as bad as people on here make it out to be. I think he could get one or two role players with short-ish mid sized contracts and maybe a red chip prospect or a heavily protected future first.

I think it could be a three way where Portland gets a couple of salary filling role players (expirings maybe), one of Barnes or Klay, Festus Ezeli, and whatever extras Lee might yield (see: heavily protected first, or a middling prospect).

If we're only talking about what GS has to offer as currently constructed, either Bogut or Lee has to be in there just for salary purposes. I suppose Bogut isn't out of the question if Lee can then be dumped perhaps for a journeyman C or maybe we can sign some crappy C off the scrap heap. I'd give one of Klay or Barnes and two of Festus, Nedovic, Draymond Green, and Ogmen Kuzmic. I'd say Festus and Nedovic are the best of that lot Nedo, Kuzmic, and Dray are supposed to play in summer league so that should help gauge where they're at. I guess you could throw Bazemore in that group too. I doubt that we're able to offer any future picks.

EDIT: Forgot to add, GS picked up a fatty TPE in the Utah deal. Not sure if its big enough to take on Aldridge but it might be more attractive to PDX to work on a deal centered around that if its possible. Players can't be combined with the TPE, but you can break a deal into separate trades. For example TPE for Aldridge and then Barnes for Pavlovic, etc.

Lmao!!! I can definitely respect your answer
 
BJM I really don't understand all the hype about Klay Thompson. I think he's a good player, I think he's a solid starter, but he's not a star in the making. He has a shitty PER, his advanced statistics aren't very impressive, and I don't see how he would be a sticking point in a trade for Aldridge. I think Barnes has a lot more potential, and I could see him making an All-Star team at some point. He's obviously not a superstar type player, but I think he could be good enough to get voted in by the coaches some day.

So you really think Klay/Barnes/Lee is too much for Aldridge? Seems to me you get younger, more athletic at the four, and a legit second option to Curry. And the reason why I think the Blazers would do it is because they get younger, but they also stay good enough to win. Lee is a perfect stop-gap for a few years until either TRob develops or they find someone else they like at that position.

I think it is a little too much, but I guess its not completely nuts. Will address Klay below.

Reports are that the Warriors weren't even willing to let go of Barnes in a Dwight S&T. Barnes has major potential to be an all-star caliber wing player. Klay, IMO, while good, isn't all-star level. He reminds me a bit of Kevin Martin. It seems like he can score and that is about it. Granted I haven't watched much of him though, so I could be wrong. Run, correct me if I'm wrong?

One of the Bay Area beat writers believes GS refused to give up Barnes or Klay as well. Interesting if true.

As far as Klay; I never drank the kool aid on him as much as other W's fans did. Ray Allen comparisons are absurd and even Alan Houston/Michael Redd were too much for me. However I think hes developed quite differently from those guys. His defense is really what sets him apart. Its not elite but its really solid and hes especially good at guarding smaller guards. Like Nate Bishop points out, hes pretty godamn inefficient on offense. Some of that has to do with a very high volume of 3's, but even taking that into consideration hes just not very efficient. BUT he is fairly dynamic on offense. Hes a very good shooter but hes not just a spot up shooter, he can come off screens or hit them off the dribble. He can post smaller players. His ability to penetrate isn't that good but he will break down a defense when they overplay to guard his jumper and he passes pretty well on the drive. Whats very encouraging is that his defense, finishing at the rim, and shot selection have improved a lot over his two years in the league.

Comparing him to a guy like Wes Matthews or Sefolosha or Bruce Bowen or someone like that is apples to oranges. Yeah they're all 3 pt/defense oriented players, but Klay's more dynamic. You can run plays for Klay because he can get a good shot off a screen and he can attack or make a play for someone else off a screen and roll. If he gets a mismatch on a bigger or smaller player he can get a pretty good shot out of it an iso. That's not to say hes a dominating offensive player, but IMO it makes him more than a role player. People who buy the hype will remind you that hes only in his second year and hes still improving. I'd say hes got a shot at being a Rip Hamilton kind of player. Quality starter, not a guy you build around, but just a solid basketball player who can go off but not like a Kobe would. I think Klay's already a better defender than Rip, obviously better 3 pt shooter but the midrange game isn't as good and he still needs to improve his shot selection.

And if you're asking about Klay vs Barnes, its hard to pick. I also don't see Barnes becoming a guy you build around, bit damn if he doesn't show some flashes sometimes. Guys a hell of an athlete, the mid-range game is coming along as advertised, 3 pt shot has improved over the course of the year, defense is meh but he puts in good effort. Lots of GS fans think his ceiling is Jamal Mashburn. Its hard to predict. He doesn't really make players around him better but as far as his one on one scoring ability and potential it blows Klay out of the water. Klay's just got a way about him where despite the godawful efficiency numbers you like his feel for the game and just that hes sort of a pure basketball player. Barnes is sort of awkward and raw but soooo strong and athletic with a nice first step and a nice mid-range game, but his defense and passing are lacking.
 
If D12 leaves....... What will the lakers starting 5 be!?!? What a mess!


Sent from HCPs Baller-Ass iPhone 5...FAMS!
 
C'mon Dwight...take the money!!!

Stay in LA!!!

I don't see how any other star would want to play with this knucklehead at this point and I certainly don't understand why LA is even going along with this charade at this point.
 
Golden State will have to renounce all of those trade exceptions unless Denver agrees to a S&T. Still, the highest salary you have going out would be RJ at 11M and it is not big enough to cover LMA's contract.
 
So, you picked Martin's third year at age 23 versus Thompson's second year at age 22, but only because Thompson played more in his second year?

Would the fair thing to do is compare the same season at the same age, which is what these guys have? You can't just jump a season because Martin wasn't getting much PT (for a bad Sacto team, at that). Plus, as a starter, Martin has never even played in a playoff series, and even more odd, has only been in the playoffs twice in his career.

He's the Shareef Abdur-Rahim of SGs.

Okay sweetcheeks. Here is the comparison of Kmart vs Klay at 22 years old, second year in the league. Martin still blows him away. Way more win shares, way better offensive rating, way better shooting percentage and eFG%. This is at almost 10 minutes less per game, and half as many starts. Thompson beats him at ppg, but Martin averaged 4 less shots per game. Happy?

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I think it is a little too much, but I guess its not completely nuts. Will address Klay below.



One of the Bay Area beat writers believes GS refused to give up Barnes or Klay as well. Interesting if true.

As far as Klay; I never drank the kool aid on him as much as other W's fans did. Ray Allen comparisons are absurd and even Alan Houston/Michael Redd were too much for me. However I think hes developed quite differently from those guys. His defense is really what sets him apart. Its not elite but its really solid and hes especially good at guarding smaller guards. Like Nate Bishop points out, hes pretty godamn inefficient on offense. Some of that has to do with a very high volume of 3's, but even taking that into consideration hes just not very efficient. BUT he is fairly dynamic on offense. Hes a very good shooter but hes not just a spot up shooter, he can come off screens or hit them off the dribble. He can post smaller players. His ability to penetrate isn't that good but he will break down a defense when they overplay to guard his jumper and he passes pretty well on the drive. Whats very encouraging is that his defense, finishing at the rim, and shot selection have improved a lot over his two years in the league.

Comparing him to a guy like Wes Matthews or Sefolosha or Bruce Bowen or someone like that is apples to oranges. Yeah they're all 3 pt/defense oriented players, but Klay's more dynamic. You can run plays for Klay because he can get a good shot off a screen and he can attack or make a play for someone else off a screen and roll. If he gets a mismatch on a bigger or smaller player he can get a pretty good shot out of it an iso. That's not to say hes a dominating offensive player, but IMO it makes him more than a role player. People who buy the hype will remind you that hes only in his second year and hes still improving. I'd say hes got a shot at being a Rip Hamilton kind of player. Quality starter, not a guy you build around, but just a solid basketball player who can go off but not like a Kobe would. I think Klay's already a better defender than Rip, obviously better 3 pt shooter but the midrange game isn't as good and he still needs to improve his shot selection.

And if you're asking about Klay vs Barnes, its hard to pick. I also don't see Barnes becoming a guy you build around, bit damn if he doesn't show some flashes sometimes. Guys a hell of an athlete, the mid-range game is coming along as advertised, 3 pt shot has improved over the course of the year, defense is meh but he puts in good effort. Lots of GS fans think his ceiling is Jamal Mashburn. Its hard to predict. He doesn't really make players around him better but as far as his one on one scoring ability and potential it blows Klay out of the water. Klay's just got a way about him where despite the godawful efficiency numbers you like his feel for the game and just that hes sort of a pure basketball player. Barnes is sort of awkward and raw but soooo strong and athletic with a nice first step and a nice mid-range game, but his defense and passing are lacking.

Klay's defense really surprised me. I didn't think he was as good as Matthews, but he's actually better statistically. I have to admit that I haven't watched as many Warriors games as I would like to, so my opinions aren't as good as yours, I can only go off the stats and what I've seen.
 
seriously D12 is the biggest piece of shit in the league.
 
seriously D12 is the biggest piece of shit in the league.

Why you blamin him? He didn't release all this news about HOU earlier. It was these reporters and their anonymous sources who jumped the gun when they should have clearly waited
 
DAL really has money burning a hole in their pocket. They gave Calderon a 4 year 29 MIL deal. All of it guaranteed and no team option on 4th year or anything. Bad idea in 3 years imo.
 
kevin martin was always super prolific at getting to the line, klay, not at all

i mean sure they look alike or whatever, but they just plain aint
 
DAL really has money burning a hole in their pocket. They gave Calderon a 4 year 29 MIL deal. All of it guaranteed and no team option on 4th year or anything. Bad idea in 3 years imo.

Yuck. Not a fan of that deal. We'll see what they piece together, but seems like by chasing first Deron, and now Dwight, Mark has really set his team back. They have little to no young assets to think of, no real decent younger players on the roster to build with. Signing guys like Calderon, again, we'll see what else they try to do, but it seems like chasing an 8th seed, but with a lot of money tied to it.
 
Yuck. Not a fan of that deal. We'll see what they piece together, but seems like by chasing first Deron, and now Dwight, Mark has really set his team back. They have little to no young assets to think of, no real decent younger players on the roster to build with. Signing guys like Calderon, again, we'll see what else they try to do, but it seems like chasing an 8th seed, but with a lot of money tied to it.

Ya, wrong direction to take. They need to go the BOS route this year even if it is painful to admit.
 

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