2013 Official NBA Off-season Movement & Rumors (Merged threads)

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Draco said:
I thought on espn twitter they said only teams with cap room could put a claim for him.
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At least, until he clears waivers. Then he could be signed for the vet. minimum, if he couldn't get more somewhere.
 
maxiep said:
The problem with Denver begins with their front office. Kroenke's son was given the keys to the franchise and is making Bert Kolde-like decisions. Letting Ujiri go to Toronto was a terrible decision.
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To be fair, they couldn't stop him - it was up to him.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
It is funny that 3 posters spelled Timofey's last name 3 different ways. Who is right? I think I am but haven't looked yet. You can easily misspell his first name too, crazy!
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MOZGOV. Although it's probably an open question seeing as the original is in cyrillic. It's like Sergei Monia vs. Sergey Monya.
 
People on hoopshype reporting Granger for Scola is a done deal.

Big news for Indy as they desperately needed depth
 
yuyuza1 said:
People on hoopshype reporting Granger for Scola is a done deal.

Big news for Indy as they desperately needed depth
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Yeah, Granger isn't being traded for Scola.

Hoophype strikes again
 
yuyuza1 said:
People on hoopshype reporting Granger for Scola is a done deal.

Big news for Indy as they desperately needed depth
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Sounds like scola is being traded but no way the suns get granger for him.

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Looking at the salaries, Gerald Green matches, but I don't see why Phoenix would want him, unless maybe Indy were sending Plumlee as well. Or Indy could send Mahinmi (alone), but that would leave Plumlee as their only backup C.

There don't seem to be a lot of ways to make the deal work without including a part of their core.
 
Thunder are really worried about their cap situation.

Andre Roberson received just 80 percent of his rookie scale contract with the Oklahoma City Thunder, according to a report.

Rookies typically receive 120 percent of the deal.

The Thunder are trying to manage their salary cap situation while avoiding the luxury tax.

The Thunder refused to give Roberson more than 80 percent.
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yuyuza1 said:
Big news for Indy as they desperately needed depth
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In the frontcourt? They've got Mahinmi and Plumlee... not to mention that they just overpaid for Chris Copeland. That's not a bad back-up rotation at all, especially when your starting PF and C can handle a lot of playing time.

Who would start if this trade goes through... West or Scola? I know West just got the big deal, but I think I'd have to give the bulk of the minutes to Scola.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Based on their performances last year, why would you want to play Scola over West?
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Damn, Scola's numbers have really taken more of a beating than I had thought... how the hell did he only get 27 mpg in Phoenix?

Either way, the point is that he's still a starter on a lot of teams, and I'm wondering how you split 48 minutes between him and West (because really, their per-36 numbers are pretty damn similar). It's just an interesting move for a team that was already pretty solid upfront.
 
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BTW - Am I the only one who still sees a lot of value in Shannon Brown?

If this trade is really a Scola/Green swap at the core, the Suns would have effectively brought in a new PG, two SG's, and a SF this offseason... all of the positions Brown could play.
 
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KeepOnRollin said:
Thunder are really worried about their cap situation.
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That sets a bad precedent. Kinda like signing a FA then dealing them almost immediately once the season began.

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BrianFromWA said:
Donald Sterling move right there.
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Add into the fact the owners just gave $15 Million to the thunder because of a dispute about the CBA and Durants contract and you have a move that would make Sterling proud.
 
I didn't realize that the rookie scale was more of a "guideline." For some reason, I thought those first round salaries were set in stone at the rookie scale.

With that said, I also wonder if Andre Roberson didn't make a verbal deal with the Thunder to accept 80% of scale before the draft. Not that he was significantly overdrafted, but he could have easily slipped into the no-mans land of the 2nd round, where he'd be auditioning for a deal at this point. This sounds like his agent might have struck a deal to get the Thunder to draft in the first round, which entails guaranteed money, even at 80%.
 
^Decent thought, NOVoodoo, but then why did it take a month of negotiation to get there? And why is all the reporting that OKC "wouldn't go above 80%"?

The differences between what Roberson will get at #26 and Goodwin will get at #29:
4 yrs/ $4,618,369
or
4 yrs/ $6,637,939

for a difference of $2,019,569 over 4 years to the "worse" player, a raise of 44%
 
BrianFromWA said:
^Decent thought, NOVoodoo, but then why did it take a month of negotiation to get there? And why is all the reporting that OKC "wouldn't go above 80%"?

The differences between what Roberson will get at #26 and Goodwin will get at #29:
4 yrs/ $4,618,369
or
4 yrs/ $6,637,939

for a difference of $2,019,569 over 4 years to the "worse" player, a raise of 44%
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Yeah... can't explain the months of negotiating, but we also have no idea what was going on behind the scenes. I'm sure once the team's lawyers get involved with negotiations, the implicit agreements become less friendly.

As far as comparing his salary to Goodwin's though, aren't rookie deals only guaranteed for two seasons, with team options thereafter? How do those figures look over two years, because most players tend restructure their contracts once "options" become involved.

Either way... his 80% contract is a better alternative than playing in the NBDL without a deal.
 
BTW -

If this Scola trade actually goes through, I welcome it from the stance that it helps out the East. Too many of these Eastern Conference teams are tanking. As Trail Blazers fans, aren't ya'll tired of the East being such a steaming pile of top-heavy crap? Throw Portland in the East last season, and they're the 6th seed, at worst.

On the flip side, if you threw last season's Knicks, who were praised all fuckin season long while no one talked about teams like Denver or Memphis, the high and mighty Knicks would probably be lucky to get the #8 seed.
 
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NOVoodoo said:
Yeah... can't explain the months of negotiating, but we also have no idea what was going on behind the scenes. I'm sure once the team's lawyers get involved with negotiations, the implicit agreements become less friendly.

As far as comparing his salary to Goodwin's though, aren't rookie deals only guaranteed for two seasons, with team options thereafter? How do those figures look over two years, because most players tend restructure their contracts once "options" become involved.

Either way... his 80% contract is a better alternative than playing in the NBDL without a deal.
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1st-rounders can't "restructure" their contracts, the options are solely team options for specified amounts. They either get the option (90% or so of players) or they don't (like Babbitt and Smith). If the team declines the option the players are UFAs.
 
NOVoodoo said:
BTW -

If this Scola trade actually goes through, I welcome it from the stance that it helps out the East. Too many of these Eastern Conference teams are tanking. As Trail Blazers fans, aren't ya'll tired of the East being such a steaming pile of top-heavy crap? Throw Portland in the East last season, and they're the 6th seed, at worst.

On the flip side, if you threw last season's Knicks, who were praised all fuckin season long while no one talked about teams like Denver or Memphis, the high and mighty Knicks would probably be lucky to get the #8 seed.
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Its annoying as hell the east be as weak as they are. since 2002 - 2003 9 times the 9th team in the west had a better record then the 8th team in the east. in 4 of those years at least 2 teams out of the playoffs in the west had better records then the 8th seed (12-13 2 teams, 10-11 3 teams, 07-08 3 teams, 03-04 4 teams). in 09-10 the West had 8 teams with 50 win records and the east only had 4. I would like it to even out at some point but i'm not sure if it ever will.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Thunder are really worried about their cap situation.
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Huh. Maybe they persuaded him by telling him that EVERYONE had him as a second round pick, so he's doing better than he should as it is.

Also, they could point to the Bulls picking Travis Knight then not even signing him, and say "it could be a lot worse, buddy - whaddya want? It's not like you set Summer League on fire."

But yes, it certainly makes them look cheap. As if we didn't know that already from the Harden trade. How soon before players start getting disgruntled? I think Deron Williams got pissed off with Utah when they started giving away solid players (Maynor, Brewer) to save money.
 
If he didn't accept the scale, what would his option be? Would the Thunder still have his rights or would he become a UFA?
 
maxiep said:
If he didn't accept the scale, what would his option be? Would the Thunder still have his rights or would he become a UFA?
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In the old days, before they introduced the scale, there were almost always holdouts. Glenn "Big Dog" Robinson held out well into the season. I think you have to sit out an entire year, and not play for ANY league for a team to lose your rights.

That's part of the reason summer league never used to matter, because hardly any teams had signed their rookies by then.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
In the old days, before they introduced the scale, there were almost always holdouts. Glenn "Big Dog" Robinson held out well into the season. I think you have to sit out an entire year, and not play for ANY league for a team to lose your rights.

That's part of the reason summer league never used to matter, because hardly any teams had signed their rookies by then.
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Man, so they can keep him from playing for a year? I'm surprised more teams haven't tried this tactic with picks, especially lower in the first round.
 
I like this trade better for PHX now that I hear the specifics.

@WojYahooNBA: Pacers will trade Miles Plumlee, Gerald Green and 2014 protected 1st round pick to Suns for Luis Scola, sources tell Y! Sports.
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Basically two 1st round picks and a $7M/2 year contract on a player who may not be useful.
 
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